Middle East Conflict Megathread (Syria, Iraq, Yemen, etc)

[Al-Ismailiyya]

Not to forget, Russia would instantly lose all of its allies and friends by using nuclear weapons (except for North-Korea ofcourse, who will sit back and laugh in an evil manner ).

Funny how everyone goes nuts when DPRK or Iran is mentioned, but Pakistan (military dictatorship full of islamic nuts), have them for decades and no one cares.

Or little Israel, with dozens if not hundreds of nuclear warheads and ICBMs Jericho in missile silos.

What does that have to do with anything? None of them have ever actually used nukes in warfare.

[Improved werpland]

I mean if thats the only penalty for shooting down a Russian jet, the loss of 2,000 wives I suppose can be taken in stride :^)

It talks about economic disaster, but you missed that part; it's ok, no one is shocked.

Antalya not in the non-tourist season is better than Russia almost any time so I doubt it.

[Durin VII]

Not to forget, Russia would instantly lose all of its allies and friends by using nuclear weapons (except for North-Korea ofcourse, who will sit back and laugh in an evil manner ).

Funny how everyone goes nuts when DPRK or Iran is mentioned, but Pakistan (military dictatorship full of islamic nuts), have them for decades and no one cares.

Or little Israel, with dozens if not hundreds of nuclear warheads and ICBMs Jericho in missile silos.

Funny how your statement is completely irrelevant towards the topic you brought up.

[The East Marches II]

It appears that the Israelis have lost an F-16, both pilots ejected. We will see what the official line is, it seems that the Israelis have been hitting Iranian targets for some time now, maybe it was a shootdown of an Iranian drone that triggered this particular response. I don't usually like the Guardian but it seems the best article on this matter for time being. A good heat map of what the Israelis are now doing, you boys are big enough to judge what is real and not on these maps.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Not to forget, Russia would instantly lose all of its allies and friends by using nuclear weapons (except for North-Korea ofcourse, who will sit back and laugh in an evil manner ).

Funny how everyone goes nuts when DPRK or Iran is mentioned, but Pakistan (military dictatorship full of islamic nuts), have them for decades and no one cares.

Probably why. See how we're not still freaking out over Russia becoming a nuclear power for example. It's been, as you said, decades.

Or little Israel, with dozens if not hundreds of nuclear warheads and ICBMs Jericho in missile silos.

See above. Sides, there ARE people making a deal of it: The guys who want to invade Israel.

[Shofercia]

Source for US troops being in that area?

Source for me advocating use of nukes in that post?

Because going full retard would be using nukes, or did you forget that?

It says so in your own article. Did you even read it or just post because you have to defend your narrative? Going full retard is attacking American troops as Assad and expecting a positive ending. He has the war wrapped up but yet again makes a stupid decision. Could have even gotten that refining facility had he just kept to attacking the front line. Now he has a pile of dead troops and nothing to show but impotence. That is going full retard. No doubt though you'll try to spin this into a great victory :^)

I am beginning to understand why the US is being pushed out of Syria; people like you are leading the American charge. The idiocy behind said move is that it'll bring Russia closer to China yet again, with nothing to show for said impotence. But hey, when Russia and China officially announce a strategic alliance, I'm sure that you'll find something negative about Russia to spam.

[Shofercia]

It talks about economic disaster, but you missed that part; it's ok, no one is shocked.

Antalya not in the non-tourist season is better than Russia almost any time so I doubt it.

An assertion not backed up by any evidence whatsoever. Cookie?

[The East Marches II]

It says so in your own article. Did you even read it or just post because you have to defend your narrative? Going full retard is attacking American troops as Assad and expecting a positive ending. He has the war wrapped up but yet again makes a stupid decision. Could have even gotten that refining facility had he just kept to attacking the front line. Now he has a pile of dead troops and nothing to show but impotence. That is going full retard. No doubt though you'll try to spin this into a great victory :^)

I am beginning to understand why the US is being pushed out of Syria; people like you are leading the American charge. The idiocy behind said move is that it'll bring Russia closer to China yet again, with nothing to show for said impotence. But hey, when Russia and China officially announce a strategic alliance, I'm sure that you'll find something negative about Russia to spam.

They are already allies against the US. China already owns Russia with the loans its given to keep it afloat. That was really a masterful dodge though Shof, impressive even by your standards. You managed to shift the whole point :^)

Assad went full retard. He attacked a place where there were American troops and apparently didn't expect to get slapped for it. I wish you would have read your own article, it would have spared us all this nonsense and you a post which started the whole thing. Even better was the apparent decision to shoot down an Israeli jet. They are even more aggressive in response than the US. Some countries seem to value their kit and men.

By the way, doesn't that make Assad the one who heated things up? :^)

[Senkaku]

It says so in your own article. Did you even read it or just post because you have to defend your narrative? Going full retard is attacking American troops as Assad and expecting a positive ending. He has the war wrapped up but yet again makes a stupid decision. Could have even gotten that refining facility had he just kept to attacking the front line. Now he has a pile of dead troops and nothing to show but impotence. That is going full retard. No doubt though you'll try to spin this into a great victory :^)

I am beginning to understand why the US is being pushed out of Syria; people like you are leading the American charge. The idiocy behind said move is that it'll bring Russia closer to China yet again, with nothing to show for said impotence. But hey, when Russia and China officially announce a strategic alliance, I'm sure that you'll find something negative about Russia to spam.

So you ignored the actual point and just whined about how everyone is h8ing on Russia. Par for the course, I guess.

Anyways, do give us the rest of the Kremlin's anti-American spin on the latest events in Syria, I'm sure there must be more than that- direct American attacks are obvious, but surely a more subtle conspiracy is at work somewhere!

It appears that the Israelis have lost an F-16, both pilots ejected. We will see what the official line is, it seems that the Israelis have been hitting Iranian targets for some time now, maybe it was a shootdown of an Iranian drone that triggered this particular response. I don't usually like the Guardian but it seems the best article on this matter for time being. A good heat map of what the Israelis are now doing, you boys are big enough to judge what is real and not on these maps.

Looks like quite a bit of Israeli airspace is getting shut down and there's a civil defense response or whatever they call it there. Hopefully everything turns out alright, I can't imagine even Assad being silly enough to seriously antagonize the Israelis to the point of war.

[The East Marches II]

I am beginning to understand why the US is being pushed out of Syria; people like you are leading the American charge. The idiocy behind said move is that it'll bring Russia closer to China yet again, with nothing to show for said impotence. But hey, when Russia and China officially announce a strategic alliance, I'm sure that you'll find something negative about Russia to spam.

So you ignored the actual point and just whined about how everyone is h8ing on Russia. Par for the course, I guess.

It appears that the Israelis have lost an F-16, both pilots ejected. We will see what the official line is, it seems that the Israelis have been hitting Iranian targets for some time now, maybe it was a shootdown of an Iranian drone that triggered this particular response. I don't usually like the Guardian but it seems the best article on this matter for time being. A good heat map of what the Israelis are now doing, you boys are big enough to judge what is real and not on these maps.

Looks like quite a bit of Israeli airspace is getting shut down and there's a civil defense response or whatever they call it there. Hopefully everything turns out alright, I can't imagine even Assad being silly enough to seriously antagonize the Israelis to the point of war.

One would hope that he wouldn't be so silly. Though it seems in recent weeks he has been taking a series of suicidal decisions. He nearly has this thing wrapped up. Regardless of my opinion of him, the war needs to end some time this year. This does nobody any good.

[Senkaku]

So you ignored the actual point and just whined about how everyone is h8ing on Russia. Par for the course, I guess.


Looks like quite a bit of Israeli airspace is getting shut down and there's a civil defense response or whatever they call it there. Hopefully everything turns out alright, I can't imagine even Assad being silly enough to seriously antagonize the Israelis to the point of war.

One would hope that he wouldn't be so silly. Though it seems in recent weeks he has been taking a series of suicidal decisions. He nearly has this thing wrapped up. Regardless of my opinion of him, the war needs to end some time this year. This does nobody any good.

Tfw it ends this year but it's actually because Netanyahu launches a full-scale invasion tomorrow and then does our nation-building for us <3

PLOT TWIST

[The East Marches II]

One would hope that he wouldn't be so silly. Though it seems in recent weeks he has been taking a series of suicidal decisions. He nearly has this thing wrapped up. Regardless of my opinion of him, the war needs to end some time this year. This does nobody any good.

Tfw it ends this year but it's actually because Netanyahu launches a full-scale invasion tomorrow and then does our nation-building for us <3

PLOT TWIST

tbh its better than anything HBO has come with in awhile, thats a good season ending surprise

[Senkaku]

Tfw it ends this year but it's actually because Netanyahu launches a full-scale invasion tomorrow and then does our nation-building for us <3

PLOT TWIST

tbh its better than anything HBO has come with in awhile, thats a good season ending surprise

The Jewce is loose!

[Shofercia]

I am beginning to understand why the US is being pushed out of Syria; people like you are leading the American charge. The idiocy behind said move is that it'll bring Russia closer to China yet again, with nothing to show for said impotence. But hey, when Russia and China officially announce a strategic alliance, I'm sure that you'll find something negative about Russia to spam.

They are already allies against the US. China already owns Russia with the loans its given to keep it afloat. That was really a masterful dodge though Shof, impressive even by your standards. You managed to shift the whole point :^)

Assad went full retard. He attacked a place where there were American troops and apparently didn't expect to get slapped for it. I wish you would have read your own article, it would have spared us all this nonsense and you a post which started the whole thing. Even better was the apparent decision to shoot down an Israeli jet. They are even more aggressive in response than the US. Some countries seem to value their kit and men.

By the way, doesn't that make Assad the one who heated things up? :^)

China owns Russia through loans... wow, you must really be growing desperate... if only there was data: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_c ... ublic_debt

Oh wait, there is. Now let's look at what the article said:

The coalition did not disclose whether U.S. troops had been present

And what Eastern Marches said:

Assad... attacked a place where there were American troops

And after demonstrating his reading comprehension skills for all of us, Eastern Marches decided to project:

I wish you would have read your own article, it would have spared us all this nonsense and you a post which started the whole thing.

Yeah, erm, the article said that no US troops were hurt, and didn't even bother pointing out whether or not US troops were there; this, to Eastern Marches, meant that US troops were there, because... magic!

[Shofercia]

I am beginning to understand why the US is being pushed out of Syria; people like you are leading the American charge. The idiocy behind said move is that it'll bring Russia closer to China yet again, with nothing to show for said impotence. But hey, when Russia and China officially announce a strategic alliance, I'm sure that you'll find something negative about Russia to spam.

So you ignored the actual point and just whined about how everyone is h8ing on Russia. Par for the course, I guess.

Anyways, do give us the rest of the Kremlin's anti-American spin on the latest events in Syria, I'm sure there must be more than that- direct American attacks are obvious, but surely a more subtle conspiracy is at work somewhere!

Once again:

The coalition did not disclose whether U.S. troops had been present

Is different from:

Assad... attacked a place where there were American troops

Saying that a person may or may not go to the movies, is actually not a confirmation of said person's intent to go to a movie. If a girl says that she is unsure about having sex, and you proceed, you can get charged with rape. This really shouldn't be that complicated, but apparently it's quite complicated for some. My point was:

Earlier the Rules of Engagement were that as long as US/Russian troops aren't attacked, no retaliation. Now the US is saying that even if US supported troops are attacked, there will be retaliation. This certainly heats things up. Damn, and Trump was doing so well in the not escalating wars department.

Let's see this once again, just to drill this point home:

as long as US troops aren't attacked

Assad... attacked a place where there were American troops

American troops - according to Senkaku and Eastern Marches they can be attacked and not be attacked at the same time. Magic!

[Bakery Hill]

Shofercia, you're splitting hairs mate. US troops are embedded with the SDF throughout that entire region of Syria.

[Shofercia]

Shofercia, you're splitting hairs mate. US troops are embedded with the SDF throughout that entire region of Syria.

The US should probably inform others what zones the US doesn't want hit, because the US troops are there. It's neither Russia's nor Syria's job to ascertain whether or not US forces were in the region. Claiming "my troops are embedded with every HQ of every group I support" is bizarre, as it demands that FSA can shoot at SAA, but SAA cannot shoot at FSA, for fear of US troops being embedded. Also, this:

The coalition did not disclose whether U.S. troops had been present

is different from this:

The coalition warned the SAA that U.S. troops had been present

It's not splitting hairs.

[Bakery Hill]

I mean for example, the Turkish state only began Operation Olive Branch after they'd cut a deal with the Kremlin that saw them withdraw observers from Afrin Canton. Meanwhile the Turks will not attack along their long open border with the rest of Rojava primarily because US forces are embedded there. The understanding is if there is the forces of a major intervening power in the area, you do not attack. That's very different from "oh they're probably maybe possibly not in that specific location so let's just have a stab and hope for the best."

[The East Marches II]

China owns Russia through loans... wow, you must really be growing desperate... if only there was data: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_c ... ublic_debt

Don't worry, I had something saved justincase you tried more disingenuous proofs :^) I have plenty more where those comes from. It is almost like Russia has merely become a Chinese puppet. Loans and prepayments of natural resources. If I remember right, thats what the Ottoman Empire resorted to shortly before it took a dive. Most countries have the sense to resent those.

Oh wait, there is. Now let's look at what the article said:

The coalition did not disclose whether U.S. troops had been present

And what Eastern Marches said:

Assad... attacked a place where there were American troops

And after demonstrating his reading comprehension skills for all of us, Eastern Marches decided to project:

I wish you would have read your own article, it would have spared us all this nonsense and you a post which started the whole thing.

Yeah, erm, the article said that no US troops were hurt, and didn't even bother pointing out whether or not US troops were there; this, to Eastern Marches, meant that US troops were there, because... magic!

As for the rest, true to form you leave our critical parts. Much like that Thanks Obama missiles thing, there is far more to this portrayal of events.

The coalition did not disclose whether U.S. troops had been present or involved in the retaliatory strike or offer any details on which forces attacked the Syrian Democratic Forces' headquarters. The SDF are a U.S.-backed alliance of militias in northern and eastern Syria.

You very disingenuously left out that part about the retaliatory attack. What a shame you've resorted to such bandit like tactics to win a debate. You are only hurting your own credibility.

No U.S. troops embedded with the local fighters at their headquarters were believed to have been wounded or killed in the attack, the officials said, speaking on condition of anonymity.

This sentence right here clearly states that we had troops embedded at that location which was attacked but thankfully, none were killed or wounded.

Be honest now Shof, just admit that you were mistaken. No harm no foul, all you are doing is hurting your reputation with such tactics.

[Shofercia]

I mean for example, the Turkish state only began Operation Olive Branch after they'd cut a deal with the Kremlin that saw them withdraw observers from Afrin Canton. Meanwhile the Turks will not attack along their long open border with the rest of Rojava primarily because US forces are embedded there. The understanding is if there is the forces of a major intervening power in the area, you do not attack. That's very different from "oh they're probably maybe possibly not in that specific location so let's just have a stab and hope for the best."

The difference is that FSA is attacking SAA in Syria, whereas the Kurds aren't attacking Erdogan in Turkey. Again, the standard for what you're saying is essentially "our allies can attack you with long range weapons, but you cannot shoot back!" No army is going to accept that.

Also, I think that Turkey might be limiting the war to Afrin, because Turkish Armed Forces aren't that good, and even Erdogan understands that he cannot launch a region-wide campaign.

[The East Marches II]

Shofercia, you're splitting hairs mate. US troops are embedded with the SDF throughout that entire region of Syria.

The US should probably inform others what zones the US doesn't want hit, because the US troops are there. It's neither Russia's nor Syria's job to ascertain whether or not US forces were in the region. Claiming "my troops are embedded with every HQ of every group I support" is bizarre, as it demands that FSA can shoot at SAA, but SAA cannot shoot at FSA, for fear of US troops being embedded. Also, this:

The coalition did not disclose whether U.S. troops had been present

is different from this:

The coalition warned the SAA that U.S. troops had been present

It's not splitting hairs.

Again, you use a fool's tactic, its not like we don't have access to original article. You are usually better than this.

Lets review the whole sentence so everybody knows which one you are misrepresenting. I will go over this each time so that no poster is confused by your lies of omission and cutting up of sentence.

The coalition did not disclose whether U.S. troops had been present or involved in the retaliatory strike

He isn't even splitting hairs Bakery, he is just outright lying about the contents of that article at this point.

[Bakery Hill]

Shofercia, you're splitting hairs mate. US troops are embedded with the SDF throughout that entire region of Syria.

The US should probably inform others what zones the US doesn't want hit, because the US troops are there. It's neither Russia's nor Syria's job to ascertain whether or not US forces were in the region. Claiming "my troops are embedded with every HQ of every group I support" is bizarre, as it demands that FSA can shoot at SAA, but SAA cannot shoot at FSA, for fear of US troops being embedded. Also, this:

The coalition did not disclose whether U.S. troops had been present

is different from this:

The coalition warned the SAA that U.S. troops had been present

It's not splitting hairs.

It is exceedingly obvious that US forces are present in SDF controlled territory on the east bank of the Euphrates, especially in that stretch from Deir ez Zor Governate right down to the Iraqi border where combat against IS is still taking place. Anyone with an understanding of affairs in Syria knows this, let alone the people actually on the ground.

[Bakery Hill]

I mean for example, the Turkish state only began Operation Olive Branch after they'd cut a deal with the Kremlin that saw them withdraw observers from Afrin Canton. Meanwhile the Turks will not attack along their long open border with the rest of Rojava primarily because US forces are embedded there. The understanding is if there is the forces of a major intervening power in the area, you do not attack. That's very different from "oh they're probably maybe possibly not in that specific location so let's just have a stab and hope for the best."

The difference is that FSA is attacking SAA in Syria, whereas the Kurds aren't attacking Erdogan in Turkey. Again, the standard for what you're saying is essentially "our allies can attack you with long range weapons, but you cannot shoot back!" No army is going to accept that.

Also, I think that Turkey might be limiting the war to Afrin, because Turkish Armed Forces aren't that good, and even Erdogan understands that he cannot launch a region-wide campaign.

What has the FSA got to do with the incident on the Euphrates? No one linked to them operates in that area anymore, they haven't done so for years.

[Bakery Hill]

No U.S. troops embedded with the local fighters at their headquarters were believed to have been wounded or killed in the attack, the officials said, speaking on condition of anonymity.

Unless we doubt his testimony that puts the argument to bed really.

[Socialist Czechia]

So it seems Jews will join the Syrian circus.

In old days, countries had at least decency to officially declare war through their Head of State, during usually kick-assing speech.