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What faction(s) do you support in the Syrian civil war? Check any that apply

Syrian government/SAA
98
18%
Syrian Democratic Forces/YPG
124
22%
Tahrir al-Sham (Nusra)
10
2%
Ahrar al-Sham/other opposition
14
3%
Turkey/TFSA
20
4%
ISIS
17
3%
Hezbollah
40
7%
Russia
55
10%
United States/NATO/Israel
130
23%
Iran
49
9%
 
Total votes : 557

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Postby Pilarcraft » Mon Oct 23, 2017 1:56 am

Lonograd wrote:
Pilarcraft wrote:the sooner a united Kurdistan is formed, the better. as far as I Know, The only country not yet having committed a racial war crime on the Kurds in this region this last century is Iran. and that's Iran we're talking about.
But, let's face it, even though Kurds are superior in combat to both Assad's goons and Iraqis, if Iran, Russia and Turkey side together, they're crushed. I sure hope not, but it'll probably end that way.

Yeah no, the SAA has took more ground from ISIS in the past 9 months and the Kurds have in 3 years. Also it's quite ironic you bring up racial war crimes since the Kurds are massive racists themselves.

It's the middle east. living here right now, I can attest that almost everyone's racist in one way or the other.
At least Kurdish Racism hasn't make them do stuff like
  • essentially enslaving another race (Afghans in Iran)
  • committing Genocide (Armenians, Assyrians and the Ottoman Greeks in the Armenian Genocide)
  • Literal public expulsion and Exile of an entire race (Ghaddafi and Lybian Jews)
  • or what would probably be called public lynching if it wasn't too "offensive" (Iranians in Arabic Countries).
and what's your source for that claim? (SAA doing more than "the kurds")
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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Mon Oct 23, 2017 2:02 am

Pilarcraft wrote:
Lonograd wrote:Yeah no, the SAA has took more ground from ISIS in the past 9 months and the Kurds have in 3 years. Also it's quite ironic you bring up racial war crimes since the Kurds are massive racists themselves.

It's the middle east. living here right now, I can attest that almost everyone's racist in one way or the other.
At least Kurdish Racism hasn't make them do stuff like
  • essentially enslaving another race (Afghans in Iran)
  • committing Genocide (Armenians, Assyrians and the Ottoman Greeks in the Armenian Genocide)
  • Literal public expulsion and Exile of an entire race (Ghaddafi and Lybian Jews)
  • or what would probably be called public lynching if it wasn't too "offensive" (Iranians in Arabic Countries).
and what's your source for that claim? (SAA doing more than "the kurds")

Kurds took part in the Armenian Genocide.
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Postby The East Marches II » Mon Oct 23, 2017 2:11 am

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
Pilarcraft wrote:It's the middle east. living here right now, I can attest that almost everyone's racist in one way or the other.
At least Kurdish Racism hasn't make them do stuff like
  • essentially enslaving another race (Afghans in Iran)
  • committing Genocide (Armenians, Assyrians and the Ottoman Greeks in the Armenian Genocide)
  • Literal public expulsion and Exile of an entire race (Ghaddafi and Lybian Jews)
  • or what would probably be called public lynching if it wasn't too "offensive" (Iranians in Arabic Countries).
and what's your source for that claim? (SAA doing more than "the kurds")

Kurds took part in the Armenian Genocide.


No such thing occured

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Postby Pilarcraft » Mon Oct 23, 2017 2:13 am

The East Marches II wrote:
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:Kurds took part in the Armenian Genocide.


No such thing occured

Kurds as a race didn't, but there were Kurdish militias who attacked Armenian Refugees on their way out of Turkey. and a group in Istanbul. but to be fair, they did say they were sorry and tried to pay reparation for it, which is more than Turkey has ever done. doesn't help, I know, but still.
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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Mon Oct 23, 2017 2:13 am

The East Marches II wrote:
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:Kurds took part in the Armenian Genocide.


No such thing occured

Explain the camps in Poland then.
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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Mon Oct 23, 2017 2:14 am

Pilarcraft wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:
No such thing occured

Kurds as a race didn't, but there were Kurdish militias who attacked Armenian Refugees on their way out of Turkey. and a group in Istanbul. but to be fair, they did say they were sorry and tried to pay reparation for it, which is more than Turkey has ever done. doesn't help, I know, but still.

Guess Turks as a race didn't either.
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Postby South African Tribes » Mon Oct 23, 2017 2:16 am

Surkiea wrote:Great news that Zahreddine is dead, hopefully the Kurds will take more land and defeat the Communists.

Says this as the Kurds give large gas fields to the Russians, who would probably return them to the Syrian government.

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Postby Pilarcraft » Mon Oct 23, 2017 2:17 am

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
Pilarcraft wrote:Kurds as a race didn't, but there were Kurdish militias who attacked Armenian Refugees on their way out of Turkey. and a group in Istanbul. but to be fair, they did say they were sorry and tried to pay reparation for it, which is more than Turkey has ever done. doesn't help, I know, but still.

Guess Turks as a race didn't either.

Turks as a race did. the majority of the turks did in fact take part in the genocide (both by literally killing, or otherwise screwing with the three above mentioned races), and the majority (and by that I mean a huge majority of them) still deny such an event ever happened.
I'd say they did. The Kurds who did take part in the genocide were a really miniscule minority (one or two tribes and one group, which was too extremist even for Middle east), rather than a majority of their population
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Postby The East Marches II » Mon Oct 23, 2017 2:18 am

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:
No such thing occured

Explain the camps in Poland then.


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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Mon Oct 23, 2017 2:21 am

Pilarcraft wrote:
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:Guess Turks as a race didn't either.

Turks as a race did. the majority of the turks did in fact take part in the genocide (both by literally killing, or otherwise screwing with the three above mentioned races),

No, a minority did.
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Postby Pilarcraft » Mon Oct 23, 2017 2:24 am

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
Pilarcraft wrote:Turks as a race did. the majority of the turks did in fact take part in the genocide (both by literally killing, or otherwise screwing with the three above mentioned races),

No, a minority did.

not according to the known history.
if you want to go against history, sure. a minority of Germans were nazis. a minority of European settlers committed genocide against the natives of wherever they went, ad infinitum.
Historically speaking, it was not a minority, but a horrifyingly huge majority.
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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Mon Oct 23, 2017 2:28 am

Pilarcraft wrote:
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:No, a minority did.

not according to the known history.
if you want to go against history, sure. a minority of Germans were nazis.

A minority of Germans committed genocide.
a minority of European settlers committed genocide against the natives of wherever they went, ad infinitum.

It was a minority though.
Historically speaking, it was not a minority, but a horrifyingly huge majority.

It's always a minority. It's never as a race.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Mon Oct 23, 2017 3:08 am

Surkiea wrote:Great news that Zahreddine is dead, hopefully the Kurds will take more land and defeat the Communists.

Nice try, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi.
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Postby Pilarcraft » Mon Oct 23, 2017 3:09 am

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Surkiea wrote:Great news that Zahreddine is dead, hopefully the Kurds will take more land and defeat the Communists.

Nice try, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi.

>equating Kurds to ISIS.
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Postby The East Marches II » Mon Oct 23, 2017 3:09 am

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Surkiea wrote:Great news that Zahreddine is dead, hopefully the Kurds will take more land and defeat the Communists.

Nice try, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi.


t. Hafez al-Assad

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Postby Bakery Hill » Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:03 am

Surkiea wrote:Great news that Zahreddine is dead, hopefully the Kurds will take more land and defeat the Communists.

Now that's what I call bait.
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Postby MERIZoC » Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:53 am

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
Pilarcraft wrote:It's the middle east. living here right now, I can attest that almost everyone's racist in one way or the other.
At least Kurdish Racism hasn't make them do stuff like
  • essentially enslaving another race (Afghans in Iran)
  • committing Genocide (Armenians, Assyrians and the Ottoman Greeks in the Armenian Genocide)
  • Literal public expulsion and Exile of an entire race (Ghaddafi and Lybian Jews)
  • or what would probably be called public lynching if it wasn't too "offensive" (Iranians in Arabic Countries).
and what's your source for that claim? (SAA doing more than "the kurds")

Kurds took part in the Armenian Genocide.

Apo did 1915

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Postby Kennlind » Mon Oct 23, 2017 5:30 am

Does anyone know what's happening in Foua? It's an SAA enclave deep in FSA territory.

Surkiea wrote:Great news that Zahreddine is dead, hopefully the Kurds will take more land and defeat the Communists.

You are an American supporting FSA and ISIS hahahah most Syrians support Assad every Syrian I know supports Assad and mourns the death of Zahreddine. your wahhabi friends will be dealt with soon. Assad and Russia are coming to liberate Syria from international jihadist terrorists.

Pilarcraft wrote:
Lonograd wrote:Yeah no, the SAA has took more ground from ISIS in the past 9 months and the Kurds have in 3 years. Also it's quite ironic you bring up racial war crimes since the Kurds are massive racists themselves.

It's the middle east. living here right now, I can attest that almost everyone's racist in one way or the other.
At least Kurdish Racism hasn't make them do stuff like
  • essentially enslaving another race (Afghans in Iran)
  • committing Genocide (Armenians, Assyrians and the Ottoman Greeks in the Armenian Genocide)
  • Literal public expulsion and Exile of an entire race (Ghaddafi and Lybian Jews)
  • or what would probably be called public lynching if it wasn't too "offensive" (Iranians in Arabic Countries).
and what's your source for that claim? (SAA doing more than "the kurds")

Kurds are deporting Arabs from their own land to make the areas more Kurdish. they are as good as isis.
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Postby Pilarcraft » Mon Oct 23, 2017 5:35 am

Kennlind wrote:Does anyone know what's happening in Foua? It's an SAA enclave deep in FSA territory.

Surkiea wrote:Great news that Zahreddine is dead, hopefully the Kurds will take more land and defeat the Communists.

You are an American supporting FSA and ISIS hahahah most Syrians support Assad every Syrian I know supports Assad and mourns the death of Zahreddine. your wahhabi friends will be dealt with soon. Assad and Russia are coming to liberate Syria from international jihadist terrorists.

Pilarcraft wrote:It's the middle east. living here right now, I can attest that almost everyone's racist in one way or the other.
At least Kurdish Racism hasn't make them do stuff like
  • essentially enslaving another race (Afghans in Iran)
  • committing Genocide (Armenians, Assyrians and the Ottoman Greeks in the Armenian Genocide)
  • Literal public expulsion and Exile of an entire race (Ghaddafi and Lybian Jews)
  • or what would probably be called public lynching if it wasn't too "offensive" (Iranians in Arabic Countries).
and what's your source for that claim? (SAA doing more than "the kurds")

Kurds are deporting Arabs from their own land to make the areas more Kurdish. they are as good as isis.

bullshit. I live here, and I know better than to fall for that sort of bullshit. change Kurds to Arabs, Arabs to literally every other race who were there first, and you have a semblance of truth.
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Postby Lonograd » Mon Oct 23, 2017 5:41 am

Pilarcraft wrote:
Lonograd wrote:Yeah no, the SAA has took more ground from ISIS in the past 9 months and the Kurds have in 3 years. Also it's quite ironic you bring up racial war crimes since the Kurds are massive racists themselves.

It's the middle east. living here right now, I can attest that almost everyone's racist in one way or the other.
At least Kurdish Racism hasn't make them do stuff like
  • essentially enslaving another race (Afghans in Iran)
  • Literal public expulsion and Exile of an entire race (Ghaddafi and Lybian Jews)


I would like to see a source.

and what's your source for that claim? (SAA doing more than "the kurds")


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Postby Al Hashka » Mon Oct 23, 2017 6:02 am

The East Marches II wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Nice try, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi.


t. Hafez al-Assad

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Postby The East Marches II » Mon Oct 23, 2017 6:26 am

Al Hashka wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:
t. Hafez al-Assad

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Make sure you put a big Iranian flag over it too :^)

He is a traitor to Arabs and also a Persian puppet! Saddam marked him as a traitor for a reason.

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Postby Kennlind » Mon Oct 23, 2017 6:31 am

Pilarcraft wrote:
Kennlind wrote:Does anyone know what's happening in Foua? It's an SAA enclave deep in FSA territory.


You are an American supporting FSA and ISIS hahahah most Syrians support Assad every Syrian I know supports Assad and mourns the death of Zahreddine. your wahhabi friends will be dealt with soon. Assad and Russia are coming to liberate Syria from international jihadist terrorists.


Kurds are deporting Arabs from their own land to make the areas more Kurdish. they are as good as isis.

bullshit. I live here, and I know better than to fall for that sort of bullshit. change Kurds to Arabs, Arabs to literally every other race who were there first, and you have a semblance of truth.

Tal Abyad in Syria and Kirkuk in Iraq. It's been documented so many times.
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Postby Pilarcraft » Mon Oct 23, 2017 6:39 am

Kennlind wrote:
Pilarcraft wrote:bullshit. I live here, and I know better than to fall for that sort of bullshit. change Kurds to Arabs, Arabs to literally every other race who were there first, and you have a semblance of truth.

Tal Abyad in Syria and Kirkuk in Iraq. It's been documented so many times.

neither of them has been documented.
The first one was Syrian rebels accusing YPG of doing that, which was proven to be utter and complete bullshit, like almost every other thing Arabs accuse YPG and SDF of.
Kirkuk, on the other hand, might be possible, after Arabs, once again, denied Kurds their right to govern their land.
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Postby Al Hashka » Mon Oct 23, 2017 6:42 am

The East Marches II wrote:
Al Hashka wrote:


Make sure you put a big Iranian flag over it too :^)

He is a traitor to Arabs and also a Persian puppet! Saddam marked him as a traitor for a reason.

Saddam was the traitor to the Arabs because he is the one who prevented Arab Unification by overthrowing Al-Bakr in 1979. Also Hafez's coup was before the Iranian revolution so I don't know how he is a "Persian puppet". Saddam was America's bitch.

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