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Postby AiliailiA » Thu Jun 29, 2017 6:31 pm

Zanera wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:So I think we got a sugar trade deal with Mexico now? Was curious if anyone had more then bad tweet speech


Um, this?
I guess it's good for the NAFTA talks...


That source has more detail on the 'sugar deal' than most sources do, BUT, it's from more than 3 weeks ago, before the actual deal.

Mexico had free access to the U.S. sugar market under NAFTA, but U.S. sugar refiners accused it of dumping subsidized sugar, undercutting their businesses. In retaliation, the United States slapped large duties on the Mexican sweetener, but a 2014 agreement suspended the tariffs in return for quotas and price floors for Mexican sugar.

The new deal would lower the proportion of refined sugar Mexico can export to the United States to 30 percent of total exports, from 53 percent, one source said. It also cuts the quality of Mexico's crude sugar exports to 99.2 percent, from 99.5 percent, the source said, tackling a key complaint of U.S. refiners, who said Mexican crude sugar was close to refined and going straight to consumers.

The U.S. sugar market is protected by a complex web of price supports and import quotas, which confection makers and other critics say artificially inflates domestic prices. NAFTA opened the doors to Mexican sugar in 2008.


Basically Mexico is too good at making sugar, and without tariffs to protect them the US farmers and sugar refiners are bitching they can't compete. Their mixed reactions now are because some are realists and understand there wasn't going to be a special exception from NAFTA for their industry, while others were holding out hope that there wouldn't be a 'deal' at all and high tariffs would kick back in.

Trump has ultimately allowed free trade, with a deal straight down the line the US has been negotiating for years, and he actually admits it when he trumpets the deal as "good for Mexico and the US". It's not America First, it's not a more favorable deal for the US than for Mexico ... it's pretty much exactly what any other Administration would have done. The US just doesn't have other options. A high tariff wall on Mexican sugar would have pleased a few US farmers but hugely increased prices for confectioners and thus for consumers, who massively outnumber the sugar farmers and their employees. In fact it would have driven some companies out of business and caused a loss of US jobs (overall, since sugar farming in the US is no longer an employment-intensive industry ... it's highly mechanized), and that's even before considering if Mexico would strike back with other tariffs.

I suppose requiring Mexico to export some of its sugar elsewhere is a slight achievement. If that was actually in the final deal.
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Postby Seangoli » Thu Jun 29, 2017 6:33 pm

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/sta ... 79/video/1

*sigh*

The sad part is people will believe that he created "millions" of jobs in energy with this nonsense, just as they believe that Obama killed coal jobs (number of coal jobs were at a 30 year high during almost his entire tenure). It's not regulation that's hurting the coal industry and killing coal jobs. It's automation and dramatically cheaper alternatives. As dirt cheap as coal prices are (They are at an Yet people will still believe him, regardless of the fact that it's simply not going to happen. The coal industry is dead due almost entirely to market forces. Prices over the past 10 years have been absolutely abysmal, so coal companies just weren't mining as much. And as cheap as coal is, Natural gas is just plain cheaper and supplanting it.

The oil industry isn't hiring because Oil is just too damn low, and oil companies are working on skeleton crews to make a profit. Regulations added pennies to the overall cost involved, and even when they out-right stop production of said resources, the number of jobs impacted is in the dozens, at best.

This shit isn't going to put people back to work, let alone "millions". There have never been "millions" working in these industries in the history of the industries. Fossil fuel prices have crashed, and no amount of rhetoric will make it profitable to hire more people.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Thu Jun 29, 2017 6:45 pm

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Internationalist Bastard wrote:So I think we got a sugar trade deal with Mexico now? Was curious if anyone had more then bad tweet speech


Um, this?
I guess it's good for the NAFTA talks...

I guess. It's weird having a president who makes these public announcements at every victory and defeat
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Postby Zanera » Thu Jun 29, 2017 6:58 pm

AiliailiA wrote:
Zanera wrote:
Um, this?
I guess it's good for the NAFTA talks...


That source has more detail on the 'sugar deal' than most sources do, BUT, it's from more than 3 weeks ago, before the actual deal.


...
I had this feeling.
This weird, weird feeling.
That I should have checked the date.
But I didn't.
I didn't check the date.
Why didn't I check the date?
Why Ailiailia?
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Postby AiliailiA » Thu Jun 29, 2017 7:01 pm

Zanera wrote:
AiliailiA wrote:
That source has more detail on the 'sugar deal' than most sources do, BUT, it's from more than 3 weeks ago, before the actual deal.


...
I had this feeling.
This weird, weird feeling.
That I should have checked the date.
But I didn't.
I didn't check the date.
Why didn't I check the date?
Why Ailiailia?
WHY?
:shock:


Chill, Zane. What the unnamed sources said about the deal is probably more or less what the deal ended up being. These things get negotiated for years and generally don't get changed dramatically right at the end.
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Postby Zanera » Thu Jun 29, 2017 7:14 pm

AiliailiA wrote:
Zanera wrote:
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I had this feeling.
This weird, weird feeling.
That I should have checked the date.
But I didn't.
I didn't check the date.
Why didn't I check the date?
Why Ailiailia?
WHY?
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Chill, Zane. What the unnamed sources said about the deal is probably more or less what the deal ended up being. These things get negotiated for years and generally don't get changed dramatically right at the end.


But there was more up-to-date source. http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trade-mexico-sugar-idUSKBN1952UL
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Postby Liriena » Thu Jun 29, 2017 9:15 pm

Vassenor wrote:So it seems (going by second- or third-hand information right now) that the "Election integrity" commission wants to make full voter rolls, including names and party affiliations, from every single state publicly available.

Because that will totally not end badly for anyone.

The GOP is going to have a voter suppression and gerrymandering rampage.
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Postby Liriena » Thu Jun 29, 2017 9:16 pm

Maichuko wrote:The timer ended. All that happened is Tucker Carlson being a douche and defending Trumps stupid tweets from this morning.

That's just his natural state.
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Postby Arctica-Aleutia » Thu Jun 29, 2017 9:17 pm

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Maichuko wrote:The timer ended. All that happened is Tucker Carlson being a douche and defending Trumps stupid tweets from this morning.

That's just his natural state.

It just isn't Fox News without Tucker Carlson doing his trademark stare.
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Postby Liriena » Thu Jun 29, 2017 9:25 pm

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Liriena wrote:That's just his natural state.

It just isn't Fox News without Tucker Carlson doing his trademark stare.

His is the stare of a man who knows he is pulling thousands into an abyss of far right radicalism but just can't stop himself now.
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Postby Saiwania » Thu Jun 29, 2017 11:31 pm

So it has been confirmed that Donald Trump does not know the difference between Medicare and Medicaid. At its most basic- Medicare is for old people and Medicaid is for poor people. But there are some poor old people out there that might qualify for both.
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Postby Great Nepal » Thu Jun 29, 2017 11:44 pm

Saiwania wrote:So it has been confirmed that Donald Trump does not know the difference between Medicare and Medicaid. At its most basic- Medicare is for old people and Medicaid is for poor people. But there are some poor old people out there that might qualify for both.

No one knew healthcare assistance could be so complicated...
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Postby AiliailiA » Thu Jun 29, 2017 11:52 pm

Saiwania wrote:So it has been confirmed that Donald Trump does not know the difference between Medicare and Medicaid. At its most basic- Medicare is for old people and Medicaid is for poor people. But there are some poor old people out there that might qualify for both.


That's rather funny. I imagine Trump himself reading it. Eyebrows going up and a smile beginning half way through, relieved that it actually is simple after all. But then he starts to scowl. Donald does not like "buts" and "mights". Then he gets to the end and is outraged to discover that poor old people are ripping off the system getting Medicare AND Medicaid! This must be stopped!

Seriously though, it might be better if he didn't know the difference. Because he must know that Medicare isn't something to mess with (old people vote Republican, so by definition they're not moochers). Medicaid on the other hand is a likely target for Congressional cuts (poor people? gotta be some moochers there!). If he still doesn't know the difference he might push back on Medicaid cuts, and call them "mean" or some such.
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Postby New haven america » Fri Jun 30, 2017 2:24 am

Saiwania wrote:So it has been confirmed that Donald Trump does not know the difference between Medicare and Medicaid. At its most basic- Medicare is for old people and Medicaid is for poor people. But there are some poor old people out there that might qualify for both.

It's almost like healthcare is complicated or something...
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Postby AiliailiA » Fri Jun 30, 2017 2:30 am

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Saiwania wrote:So it has been confirmed that Donald Trump does not know the difference between Medicare and Medicaid. At its most basic- Medicare is for old people and Medicaid is for poor people. But there are some poor old people out there that might qualify for both.

It's almost like healthcare is complicated or something...


What makes you think that? It's only a sixth of the whole economy :p
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Postby New haven america » Fri Jun 30, 2017 2:33 am

AiliailiA wrote:
New haven america wrote:It's almost like healthcare is complicated or something...


What makes you think that? It's only a sixth of the whole economy :p

I don't know, there's just something about it that seems kinda hard to work with, but that's just me, maybe someone else will come up with some new and simple idea or something...
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Postby Frank Zipper » Fri Jun 30, 2017 2:44 am

Saiwania wrote:So it has been confirmed that Donald Trump does not know the difference between Medicare and Medicaid. At its most basic- Medicare is for old people and Medicaid is for poor people. But there are some poor old people out there that might qualify for both.


Are you back to being anti-Trump again?
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Postby Saiwania » Fri Jun 30, 2017 3:37 am

Frank Zipper wrote:Are you back to being anti-Trump again?


I haven't been impressed with his presidency thus far, I'm against the weapons deal with Saudi Arabia. I didn't like Obama either but I'll admit as much- Donald Trump just isn't presidential by any metric. I didn't vote for him in 2016 and I can't vote for him now either, now that I've seen what his administration consists of. Now unlike most corporate Democrats, I don't care about his dealings with Russia. I want the US to get Russia on its side or at least stay out of their way in Syria.

So far as the warfare in the middle east goes, I support the Peshmerga, Assad, Iran, Iraq, and Russia. What I'm against is ISIS, Turkey, the FSA, and any other Syrian rebels, and nations which are trying to bankroll Jihad such as Qatar or Saudi Arabia. I'm not going to support any rebel groups unless they're actually of benefit.

Only the Kurds have really proven and demonstrated at this point, that their getting a piece of Iraq and Syria's territory on a permanent basis, wouldn't be so bad in the long term. That is an acceptable outcome in my view.
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His is the stare of a man who knows he is pulling thousands into an abyss of far right radicalism but just can't stop himself now.

To be fair, he sometimes faces people who are worse than him.
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Postby Colbert Super PAC » Fri Jun 30, 2017 5:35 am

Forget "Repeal and Replace", looks like we're moving towards "Repeal now, Replace sometime later, we promise we totally will".
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/06/3 ... eet-240132
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Colbert Super PAC wrote:Forget "Repeal and Replace", looks like we're moving towards "Repeal now, Replace sometime later, we promise we totally will".
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/06/3 ... eet-240132

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Colbert Super PAC wrote:Forget "Repeal and Replace", looks like we're moving towards "Repeal now, Replace sometime later, we promise we totally will".
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/06/3 ... eet-240132


Well I'm sure this won't cause massive problems, no sir.

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Colbert Super PAC wrote:Forget "Repeal and Replace", looks like we're moving towards "Repeal now, Replace sometime later, we promise we totally will".
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/06/3 ... eet-240132


Well I'm sure this won't cause massive problems, no sir.

Just means Temporarily Embarassed Millionaires get to see their nonexistent tax breaks and poor people dying sooner!
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Postby AiliailiA » Fri Jun 30, 2017 7:04 am

New haven america wrote:
AiliailiA wrote:
What makes you think that? It's only a sixth of the whole economy :p

I don't know, there's just something about it that seems kinda hard to work with, but that's just me, maybe someone else will come up with some new and simple idea or something...


Fountain of Youth, that will make all of healthcare simpler and cheaper and more effective and generally copacetic.

*8 years and $482 billion later*

Nobody knew finding the Fountain of Youth could be so complicated?

, please get that I'm a joking. Maybe not funny, but it's meant to be!
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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Jun 30, 2017 7:23 am

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Colbert Super PAC wrote:Forget "Repeal and Replace", looks like we're moving towards "Repeal now, Replace sometime later, we promise we totally will".
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/06/3 ... eet-240132


Well I'm sure this won't cause massive problems, no sir.

Massively pissed off republican base when?
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