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Postby Seangoli » Sat Jun 24, 2017 12:56 pm

Neo Balka wrote:"what about the west?" "Fuck everything west of Bismarck."


I cut the line at Fargo, personally.

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Postby Seangoli » Sat Jun 24, 2017 12:58 pm

Hittanryan wrote:
Major-Tom wrote:fucking unbelieable that we have had so many threads about our POTUS

I mean the man is an epic fuckup. He's so dense that light bends around him. Every day it's something new.


For instance, his tweet yesterday:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/sta ... gr%5Etweet

Yet he claimed not long ago that the Russians didn't meddle in the election, and is adamant that it had nothing to do with his win.

The cognitive dissonance is truly breath taking.
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Postby Rio Cana » Sat Jun 24, 2017 1:01 pm

They had a news story today on that Carrier Air Conditioning manufacturing plant that earlier this year the Pres. visited. Seems they will be firing 600 Union workers, many if not most who voted for the Pres..

Story - http://www.cbsnews.com/news/carrier-wor ... heir-jobs/
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Postby Seangoli » Sat Jun 24, 2017 1:04 pm

Rio Cana wrote:They had a news story today on that Carrier Air Conditioning manufacturing plant that earlier this year the Pres. visited. Seems they will be firing 600 Union workers, many if not most who voted for the Pres..

Story - http://www.cbsnews.com/news/carrier-wor ... heir-jobs/


You mean to tell me he lied his ass off to the people who supported him to get their vote with no intention of actually helping them?

Shocked, appalled I say.

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Postby Rio Cana » Sat Jun 24, 2017 1:15 pm

Seangoli wrote:
Neo Balka wrote:"what about the west?" "Fuck everything west of Bismarck."


I cut the line at Fargo, personally.


The West is rising. :clap: The highest skyscrapper West of the Mississippi was just opened in LA. Its owned by Korea Air. If you think about it the Asian powerhouses have these modern cities with many skyscrappers which is not really seen in a big way in the US western Pacific States. The city of SF being the closest thing. This could be the start of a big economic boom on this side of the Pacific.

Story from 10 hours ago - http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-w ... story.html
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Postby Valrifell » Sat Jun 24, 2017 1:17 pm

Rio Cana wrote:
Seangoli wrote:
I cut the line at Fargo, personally.


The West is rising. :clap: The highest skyscrapper West of the Mississippi was just opened in LA. Its owned by Korea Air. If you think about it the Asian powerhouses have these modern cities with many skyscrappers which is not really seen in a big way in the US western Pacific States. The city of SF being the closest thing. This could be the start of a big economic boom on this side of the Pacific.

Story from 10 hours ago - http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-w ... story.html


The West Coast is already in the middle of a yuge economic boom, though, right?
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Postby Seangoli » Sat Jun 24, 2017 1:27 pm

Rio Cana wrote:
Seangoli wrote:
I cut the line at Fargo, personally.


The West is rising. :clap: The highest skyscrapper West of the Mississippi was just opened in LA. Its owned by Korea Air. If you think about it the Asian powerhouses have these modern cities with many skyscrappers which is not really seen in a big way in the US western Pacific States. The city of SF being the closest thing. This could be the start of a big economic boom on this side of the Pacific.

Story from 10 hours ago - http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-w ... story.html


Well, you still have to accound for most of North Dakota, South Dakota, Montana, Idaho, Utah, and ... *sigh*... Wyoming.
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Postby Gauthier » Sat Jun 24, 2017 1:29 pm

Seangoli wrote:
Hittanryan wrote:I mean the man is an epic fuckup. He's so dense that light bends around him. Every day it's something new.


For instance, his tweet yesterday:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/sta ... gr%5Etweet

Yet he claimed not long ago that the Russians didn't meddle in the election, and is adamant that it had nothing to do with his win.

The cognitive dissonance is truly breath taking.

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Postby Athrax » Sat Jun 24, 2017 1:30 pm

Gauthier wrote:
Seangoli wrote:
For instance, his tweet yesterday:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/sta ... gr%5Etweet

Yet he claimed not long ago that the Russians didn't meddle in the election, and is adamant that it had nothing to do with his win.

The cognitive dissonance is truly breath taking.

Alzheimer's.


It's just the sheer power of cognative dissonance. His supporters will find some way to explain the complete disconnect between the statements and keep on rolling

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Postby Gauthier » Sat Jun 24, 2017 1:31 pm

Seangoli wrote:
Rio Cana wrote:They had a news story today on that Carrier Air Conditioning manufacturing plant that earlier this year the Pres. visited. Seems they will be firing 600 Union workers, many if not most who voted for the Pres..

Story - http://www.cbsnews.com/news/carrier-wor ... heir-jobs/


You mean to tell me he lied his ass off to the people who supported him to get their vote with no intention of actually helping them?

Shocked, appalled I say.

They'll reflexively blame Hillary to deny they played themselves.
Crimes committed by Muslims will be a pan-Islamic plot and proof of Islam's inherent evil. On the other hand crimes committed by non-Muslims will merely be the acts of loners who do not represent their belief system at all.
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If a political figure makes an accusation of wrongdoing without evidence, odds are probable that the accuser or an associate thereof has in fact committed the very same act, possibly to a worse degree.
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Postby Seangoli » Sat Jun 24, 2017 1:42 pm

Gauthier wrote:
Seangoli wrote:
You mean to tell me he lied his ass off to the people who supported him to get their vote with no intention of actually helping them?

Shocked, appalled I say.

They'll reflexively blame Hillary to deny they played themselves.


What they've been saying from what I've seen is that Carrier lied to Trump.

Which isn't true, given that Spicer is upfront that these layoffs were part of the plan, and they stated back when the deal was made that part of it was that lay-offs were going to happen.

So really, Trump lied to them but that doesn't make sense at all to them. So they just flat-out put their blinders up to the fact that Trump lied his ass off.
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Postby Athrax » Sat Jun 24, 2017 1:45 pm

Seangoli wrote:
Gauthier wrote:They'll reflexively blame Hillary to deny they played themselves.


What they've been saying from what I've seen is that Carrier lied to Trump.

Which isn't true, given that Spicer is upfront that these layoffs were part of the plan, and they stated back when the deal was made that part of it was that lay-offs were going to happen.

So really, Trump lied to them but that doesn't make sense at all to them.


Even if they stick with that mindset (and I have no particular problem with them being pissed at the company screwing them), how long can they keep going like that before at least thinking that Trump is completely incapable of stopping such closures. I can see this as a "fool me once" situation, but eventually as these kinds of closures keep happening people will have to at least conclude that Trump is overstating his abilities

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Postby Valrifell » Sat Jun 24, 2017 1:51 pm

Athrax wrote:
Seangoli wrote:
What they've been saying from what I've seen is that Carrier lied to Trump.

Which isn't true, given that Spicer is upfront that these layoffs were part of the plan, and they stated back when the deal was made that part of it was that lay-offs were going to happen.

So really, Trump lied to them but that doesn't make sense at all to them.


Even if they stick with that mindset (and I have no particular problem with them being pissed at the company screwing them), how long can they keep going like that before at least thinking that Trump is completely incapable of stopping such closures. I can see this as a "fool me once" situation, but eventually as these kinds of closures keep happening people will have to at least conclude that Trump is overstating his abilities


I have to imagine there are people who do realize they've been conned, but instead of admitting to that, they just keep quiet.
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Postby Athrax » Sat Jun 24, 2017 1:52 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Athrax wrote:
Even if they stick with that mindset (and I have no particular problem with them being pissed at the company screwing them), how long can they keep going like that before at least thinking that Trump is completely incapable of stopping such closures. I can see this as a "fool me once" situation, but eventually as these kinds of closures keep happening people will have to at least conclude that Trump is overstating his abilities


I have to imagine there are people who do realize they've been conned, but instead of admitting to that, they just keep quiet.


I can't disagree with that, I just wonder how it will affect voting patterns and possibly affect his base's nature

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Postby Seangoli » Sat Jun 24, 2017 1:56 pm

Athrax wrote:
Seangoli wrote:
What they've been saying from what I've seen is that Carrier lied to Trump.

Which isn't true, given that Spicer is upfront that these layoffs were part of the plan, and they stated back when the deal was made that part of it was that lay-offs were going to happen.

So really, Trump lied to them but that doesn't make sense at all to them.


Even if they stick with that mindset (and I have no particular problem with them being pissed at the company screwing them), how long can they keep going like that before at least thinking that Trump is completely incapable of stopping such closures. I can see this as a "fool me once" situation, but eventually as these kinds of closures keep happening people will have to at least conclude that Trump is overstating his abilities


Oh, certainly. This is most certainly on the first round of lay-offs that will happen. The fundamental truth of the matter is that regulations and trade agreements are not what is actually causing jobs to go away to any significant degree. A huge part of it is automation, coupled with the staggering manufacturing boom that China and other east Asian companies went through between 2000-present, and there just is less and less of a place for profitability with these sorts of Labor jobs. The cost of living in the US is too damn high.


The only way these sorts of jobs would come back is if we allowed companies to pay a fraction of what they pay now for labor wages. This is the problem: The people working in these jobs want well paying relatively low-skill labor jobs with strong wages and benefits. No level of protectionism is going to give them that in the Modern world, and ultimately this would be a massive drag on the economy to do so. They feel insulted when you tell them this, but it simply doesn't change the reality of the situation. Either we allow sweatshops to exist, which is not what these people want from the jobs, or people need to understand that the world fucking changes. It's like decrying the loss of Blacksmithing or Tanners or Fletchers.

The democrats, to some degree, at least acknowledged this by pushing for funding to train individuals in new areas. The Republicans, in general, don't give a shit. And Trump flat out either doesn't understand this, or straight-up lied through his teeth.
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Postby Gauthier » Sat Jun 24, 2017 1:57 pm

Athrax wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
I have to imagine there are people who do realize they've been conned, but instead of admitting to that, they just keep quiet.


I can't disagree with that, I just wonder how it will affect voting patterns and possibly affect his base's nature

They'll still vote Republican. Herd mentality.
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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Jun 24, 2017 1:59 pm

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I can't speak for Gillibrand because I really don't know anything and haven't asked anyone but most of the reactions I've seen about Booker pretty much boil down to "eww".

While there might be some younger people in the party who are likable you do have admit most of the names that people (especially people who aren't big into politics) like seem to be 60+ with a few exceptions.


To be fair, though, I had no idea who O'Malley, Sanders, and half of the GOP field was coming in. It's likely some newer talent will find their way out of the woods.

Also, the reaction to Booker is mostly due to his recent healthcare shenanigans, but before that, most people agree he gave a really fantastic speech at the DNC and seemed likeable.

I knew who O'Malley was before he ran that's why I supported him in the beginning
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Postby Athrax » Sat Jun 24, 2017 2:01 pm

Seangoli wrote:
Athrax wrote:
Even if they stick with that mindset (and I have no particular problem with them being pissed at the company screwing them), how long can they keep going like that before at least thinking that Trump is completely incapable of stopping such closures. I can see this as a "fool me once" situation, but eventually as these kinds of closures keep happening people will have to at least conclude that Trump is overstating his abilities


Oh, certainly. This is most certainly on the first round of lay-offs that will happen. The fundamental truth of the matter is that regulations and trade agreements are not what is actually causing jobs to go away to any significant degree. A huge part of it is automation, coupled with the staggering manufacturing boom that China and other east Asian companies went through between 2000-present, and there just is less and less of a place for profitability with these sorts of Labor jobs. The cost of living in the US is too damn high.


The only way these sorts of jobs would come back is if we allowed companies to pay a fraction of what they pay now for labor wages. This is the problem: The people working in these jobs want well paying relatively low-skill labor jobs with strong wages and benefits. No level of protectionism is going to give them that in the Modern world, and ultimately this would be a massive drag on the economy to do so. They feel insulted when you tell them this, but it simply doesn't change the reality of the situation. Either we allow sweatshops to exist, which is not what these people want from the jobs, or people need to understand that the world fucking changes. It's like decrying the loss of Blacksmithing or Tanners or Fletchers.

The democrats, to some degree, at least acknowledged this by pushing for funding to train individuals in new areas. The Republicans, in general, don't give a shit. And Trump flat out either doesn't understand this, or straight-up lied through his teeth.


I agree, and while I think the Democrats have the right idea in general, I think a big part of the problem is that we don't yet know what the vision of the 'new economy' will look like. It's hard to set sail for a new future when you don't actually know what will be there. And ultimately I think people prefer the comfortable illusions of the past than the uncertainty the future holds.

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Postby Valrifell » Sat Jun 24, 2017 2:04 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
To be fair, though, I had no idea who O'Malley, Sanders, and half of the GOP field was coming in. It's likely some newer talent will find their way out of the woods.

Also, the reaction to Booker is mostly due to his recent healthcare shenanigans, but before that, most people agree he gave a really fantastic speech at the DNC and seemed likeable.

I knew who O'Malley was before he ran that's why I supported him in the beginning


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I have mixed feelings about this. One part of me doesn't want any government recognition of religion and another part thinks that a dinner for each religion ain't that bad
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Postby Athrax » Sat Jun 24, 2017 2:08 pm

Thermodolia wrote:

I have mixed feelings about this. One part of me doesn't want any government recognition of religion and another part thinks that a dinner for each religion ain't that bad


On the other other hand, do you really want to see Trump try to celebrate Ramadan? I feel like this might actually be the best solution for everyone

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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Jun 24, 2017 2:09 pm

Athrax wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:I have mixed feelings about this. One part of me doesn't want any government recognition of religion and another part thinks that a dinner for each religion ain't that bad


On the other other hand, do you really want to see Trump try to celebrate Ramadan? I feel like this might actually be the best solution for everyone

I'd love to see him fail
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Postby Gauthier » Sat Jun 24, 2017 2:11 pm

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I have mixed feelings about this. One part of me doesn't want any government recognition of religion and another part thinks that a dinner for each religion ain't that bad

Dirty Muslims mindset and a FUCKOBAMA in a single package really.
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Postby Eol Sha » Sat Jun 24, 2017 2:11 pm

Valrifell wrote:
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I can't speak for Gillibrand because I really don't know anything and haven't asked anyone but most of the reactions I've seen about Booker pretty much boil down to "eww".

While there might be some younger people in the party who are likable you do have admit most of the names that people (especially people who aren't big into politics) like seem to be 60+ with a few exceptions.


To be fair, though, I had no idea who O'Malley, Sanders, and half of the GOP field was coming in. It's likely some newer talent will find their way out of the woods.

Also, the reaction to Booker is mostly due to his recent healthcare shenanigans, but before that, most people agree he gave a really fantastic speech at the DNC and seemed likeable.

I knew almost all of them. :p
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