Trump MAGAthread VII

[Michael Johnathan]

Because it was a hypothetical... do you sincerely think the same argument wouldn't have been made had a justice vacated his seat right as Clinton won? That biden wouldn't argue the popular mandate was given to the president-elect and that he should select said justice's replacement instead of giving it to an exiting president?

Spare me.

"Hurr hurr politics has always been as dysfunctional as the modern GOP"

Give me a fucking break.

The response... I expected.

[Conserative Morality]

Guns are a lost cause for the dems. Down here in the south most democrats don't even touch the subject.

Even the most gun friendly Dems I know despise the NRA.

[Washington Resistance Army]

They are why it was removed though. The NRA rapidly sent out General Reckord (executive VP of the NRA at the time) via train and he argued before Congress that the handgun bit was BS and should be done away with. He also argued against the rest of the bill and got other bits and pieces changed, most notably the legal definition of machinegun.

Source for any of this?

Congressional records. I don't think the 74th Congress records are online yet but you can contact people who deal with all that stuff and they can send you the relevant scans. Or at least that's what I did a while back.

Really interesting stuff actually, especially regarding how many of the arguments mirror our own nowadays.

Alternatively, let's sell targets of Dems to shoot at. Let's continue inflammatory rhetoric that has literally gotten people shot. Let's ignore gun issues with minorities because that doesn't get the base riled up - in fact, it gets them rather antsy.

I don't support any of that and as I explained to Iffy, the only part of the NRA that gets my money is the part that actually makes shit happen in Congress.

Truthfully I'm just waiting for the Gun Owners of America to get powerful enough so I can jettison the NRA entirely.

[Valrifell]

Well, technically, the Senate makes it's own rules. However it's extremely rare for the Senate to not even consider a nominee and usually happens with the President in question being a lane duck. It's not completely without precedent, but it's still an extremely shitty thing to do for political points.

On that we agree, it was a really scummy thing to do. I still can't believe it actually paid off.

On second thought, the constitutionality of dodging even listening to a nominee is still up in the air, since I'm pretty sure the Constitution itself makes no mention of it being an option. So, if it happened to a President again, s/he could in theory take it to SCOTUS themselves and have them weigh in on the issue, so it could be settled once and for all.

It'd be pretty unorthodox and interesting seeing the President taking the Senate to court for not fulfilling what is perceived to be a Constitutional obligation, though that'll open a new can of worms that's probably the reason it's never been attempted before.

[Thermodolia]

Guns are a lost cause for the dems. Down here in the south most democrats don't even touch the subject.

Even the most gun friendly Dems I know despise the NRA.

Oh ya the NRA is super shity but still gun control is only talked about in hushed tones. I'll support other organizations like GOA and the like

[Washington Resistance Army]

On that we agree, it was a really scummy thing to do. I still can't believe it actually paid off.

On second thought, the constitutionality of dodging even listening to a nominee is still up in the air, since I'm pretty sure the Constitution itself makes no mention of it being an option. So, if it happened to a President again, s/he could in theory take it to SCOTUS themselves and have them weigh in on the issue, so it could be settled once and for all.

It'd be pretty unorthodox and interesting seeing the President taking the Senate to court for not fulfilling what is perceived to be a Constitutional obligation, though that'll open a new can of worms that's probably the reason it's never been attempted before.

Man, wouldn't that be a shitshow.

I could see Trump doing it.

[Ifreann]

They are why it was removed though. The NRA rapidly sent out General Reckord (executive VP of the NRA at the time) via train and he argued before Congress that the handgun bit was BS and should be done away with. He also argued against the rest of the bill and got other bits and pieces changed, most notably the legal definition of machinegun.

Source for any of this?

I either support the NRA now and try to stop gun control or I don't and hope the Democrats end their nearly 80 year trend of progressively banning more and more things. Only one of these options really makes sense.

Supporting the NRA definitely isn't it, so I guess that leaves the Dems.

Alternatively, let's sell targets of Dems to shoot at. Let's continue inflammatory rhetoric that has literally gotten people shot. Let's ignore gun issues with minorities because that doesn't get the base riled up - in fact, it gets them rather antsy.

Let's fuck about making videos attacking the press for criticising the President.

[Thermodolia]

Source for any of this?

Congressional records. I don't think the 74th Congress records are online yet but you can contact people who deal with all that stuff and they can send you the relevant scans. Or at least that's what I did a while back.

Really interesting stuff actually, especially regarding how many of the arguments mirror our own nowadays.

Alternatively, let's sell targets of Dems to shoot at. Let's continue inflammatory rhetoric that has literally gotten people shot. Let's ignore gun issues with minorities because that doesn't get the base riled up - in fact, it gets them rather antsy.

I don't support any of that and as I explained to Iffy, the only part of the NRA that gets my money is the part that actually makes shit happen in Congress.

Truthfully I'm just waiting for the Gun Owners of America to get powerful enough so I can jettison the NRA entirely.

I love the GOA. Best thing I ever joined

[Traditional Conservative Hellas]

Everyone says Trump is bad, I haven't seen any bad thing he has done during his presidency, but that doesn't mean I support me

Pretty much everything he's said or done regarding climate change

Oh yea, that's true

[United Muscovite Nations]

Guys, please make a new thread, this one has expired.

No.

Fuck the 500 page rule.

#anarchy

you didnt hav 2 b meen to ur fren

[Washington Resistance Army]

No.

Fuck the 500 page rule.

#anarchy

you didnt hav 2 b meen to ur fren

Sorry comrade, but we're throwing off the shackles of moderator oppression in this thread.

[Conserative Morality]

Congressional records. I don't think the 74th Congress records are online yet but you can contact people who deal with all that stuff and they can send you the relevant scans. Or at least that's what I did a while back.

Really interesting stuff actually, especially regarding how many of the arguments mirror our own nowadays.

Forgive me for not taking your word on it.

I don't support any of that and as I explained to Iffy, the only part of the NRA that gets my money is the part that actually makes shit happen in Congress.

That's like not checking the box for your 3$ on your tax forms to go towards public funding of political campaigns.

It's not going to get funded less because you didn't check the box. The money is just shifted around. It's a technicality. It's a weak excuse.

Truthfully I'm just waiting for the Gun Owners of America to get powerful enough so I can jettison the NRA entirely.

Oh good, then the terrible gun culture that's been nurtured by the NRA and survivalist nuts can migrate to the next organization that promises them the kind of rhetoric they like. Then, like in the late 70s all over again, they can take over the organization and flip it on its head.

The NRA and survivalists and self-proclaimed 'patriots' who don't even follow basic gun safety rules have done incredible damage to the issue. If they had any decency, they'd be ashamed.

[Conserative Morality]

Let's fuck about making videos attacking the press for criticising the President.

God, I hate people.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Congressional records. I don't think the 74th Congress records are online yet but you can contact people who deal with all that stuff and they can send you the relevant scans. Or at least that's what I did a while back.

Really interesting stuff actually, especially regarding how many of the arguments mirror our own nowadays.

Forgive me for not taking your word on it.

You don't have to. I still have the links laying around. It's all out of order though so it'll be on you to figure that out.

Link one, link two, link three, link four and three .PDF's that were also attached.

That's like not checking the box for your 3$ on your tax forms to go towards public funding of political campaigns.

It's not going to get funded less because you didn't check the box. The money is just shifted around. It's a technicality. It's a weak excuse.

Not quite correct. NRA and NRA-ILA are legally different organizations. As are the NRA and NRA Foundation. While they're connected money from one doesn't necessarily go to the other, which is I donate to the strictly political group.

Oh good, then the terrible gun culture that's been nurtured by the NRA and survivalist nuts can migrate to the next organization that promises them the kind of rhetoric they like. Then, like in the late 70s all over again, they can take over the organization and flip it on its head.

The NRA and survivalists and self-proclaimed 'patriots' who don't even follow basic gun safety rules have done incredible damage to the issue. If they had any decency, they'd be ashamed.

It sounds like you just don't want anyone to support groups that stand up for the right, tbh.

[Conserative Morality]

You don't have to. I still have the links laying around. It's all out of order though so it'll be on you to figure that out.

Link one, link two, link three, link four and three .PDF's that were also attached.

Thank you. I'll look through them.

It sounds like you just don't want anyone to support groups that stand up for the right, tbh.

If the right is defined by irresponsible nutjobs, then that is 100% true.

If the right is not defined by irresponsible nutjobs, then no. I just oppose irresponsible nutjobs who've poisoned the well to the point of madness.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Thank you. I'll look through them.

Always glad to help.

If the right is defined by irresponsible nutjobs, then that is 100% true.

If the right is not defined by irresponsible nutjobs, then no. I just oppose irresponsible nutjobs who've poisoned the well to the point of madness.

While I would agree that there is a number of people who are irresponsible it is worth remembering that most of the firearms trainers in the country are themselves trained in NRA programs. Firearms safety actually is a pretty big thing the group teaches when you look past all the silly sensationalist nonsense.

[Major-Tom]

Guns are a lost cause for the dems. Down here in the south most democrats don't even touch the subject.

Even the most gun friendly Dems I know despise the NRA.

I dislike the NRA, love guns. They're far too corrupt and into lobbying and buying votes, really. Fuck 'em, god bless guns.

[Gauthier]

I think maybe one of my guns wouldn't fit the Democrats idea of what's scary and should be banned.

And the more you support organizations like the NRA, the more Dems will oppose gun control reform in the party. But sure. Do what riles up the base. Get your rocks off in the short term by supporting fucking nutters.

Eventually the GOP and NRA will mandate carrying firearms for all Americans upon penalty of jail.

"Service Pistol Means Citizenship"

[Conserative Morality]

While I would agree that there is a number of people who are irresponsible it is worth remembering that most of the firearms trainers in the country are themselves trained in NRA programs. Firearms safety actually is a pretty big thing the group teaches when you look past all the silly sensationalist nonsense.

That's just the problem, though. That silly sensationalist nonsense is all most people ever get from the NRA, gun owners or not. It emboldens and entrenches the bad habits and misconceptions of the already-mad. And since the already-mad love having their opinions affirmed, and the NRA loves their money, they endlessly feed into one another. They are a minority. But they are the minority that is speaking for the NRA.

I think the 2nd Amendment is an important part of American culture. But fuck these people who think their gun is a second dick.

[Gauthier]

While I would agree that there is a number of people who are irresponsible it is worth remembering that most of the firearms trainers in the country are themselves trained in NRA programs. Firearms safety actually is a pretty big thing the group teaches when you look past all the silly sensationalist nonsense.

That's just the problem, though. That silly sensationalist nonsense is all most people ever get from the NRA, gun owners or not. It emboldens and entrenches the bad habits and misconceptions of the already-mad. And since the already-mad love having their opinions affirmed, and the NRA loves their money, they endlessly feed into one another. They are a minority. But they are the minority that is speaking for the NRA.

I think the 2nd Amendment is an important part of American culture. But fuck these people who think their gun is a second dick.

Do you really want to? They might have an accidental discharge.

[Washington Resistance Army]

And the more you support organizations like the NRA, the more Dems will oppose gun control reform in the party. But sure. Do what riles up the base. Get your rocks off in the short term by supporting fucking nutters.

Eventually the GOP and NRA will mandate carrying firearms for all Americans upon penalty of jail.

"Service Pistol Means Citizenship"

While I would agree that there is a number of people who are irresponsible it is worth remembering that most of the firearms trainers in the country are themselves trained in NRA programs. Firearms safety actually is a pretty big thing the group teaches when you look past all the silly sensationalist nonsense.

That's just the problem, though. That silly sensationalist nonsense is all most people ever get from the NRA, gun owners or not. It emboldens and entrenches the bad habits and misconceptions of the already-mad. And since the already-mad love having their opinions affirmed, and the NRA loves their money, they endlessly feed into one another. They are a minority. But they are the minority that is speaking for the NRA.

I think the 2nd Amendment is an important part of American culture. But fuck these people who think their gun is a second dick.

I truthfully don't think there's very many of those people, and I certainly don't think they decide what the NRA actually pushes.

I mean, look at SHARE, it's something gun groups pushed heavily (enough to move it from committee to floor in a single day) and it doesn't really contain anything for such people.

[Thermodolia]

Eventually the GOP and NRA will mandate carrying firearms for all Americans upon penalty of jail.

"Service Pistol Means Citizenship"

That's just the problem, though. That silly sensationalist nonsense is all most people ever get from the NRA, gun owners or not. It emboldens and entrenches the bad habits and misconceptions of the already-mad. And since the already-mad love having their opinions affirmed, and the NRA loves their money, they endlessly feed into one another. They are a minority. But they are the minority that is speaking for the NRA.

I think the 2nd Amendment is an important part of American culture. But fuck these people who think their gun is a second dick.

I truthfully don't think there's very many of those people, and I certainly don't think they decide what the NRA actually pushes.

I mean, look at SHARE, it's something gun groups pushed heavily (enough to move it from committee to floor in a single day) and it doesn't really contain anything for such people.

Idk dude Ted Nugent is a NRA board member and is pretty off his rocker

[Washington Resistance Army]

Idk dude Ted Nugent is a NRA board member and is pretty off his rocker

This is true, but he wins reelection solely because people know who he is. That's one of the problems with trying to kick them out.

[Frenequesta]

On that we agree, it was a really scummy thing to do. I still can't believe it actually paid off.

On second thought, the constitutionality of dodging even listening to a nominee is still up in the air, since I'm pretty sure the Constitution itself makes no mention of it being an option. So, if it happened to a President again, s/he could in theory take it to SCOTUS themselves and have them weigh in on the issue, so it could be settled once and for all.

It'd be pretty unorthodox and interesting seeing the President taking the Senate to court for not fulfilling what is perceived to be a Constitutional obligation, though that'll open a new can of worms that's probably the reason it's never been attempted before.

And that's why, if SCOTUS does hear it, they'll likely dismiss it under the political question doctrine.

[Gauthier]

I truthfully don't think there's very many of those people, and I certainly don't think they decide what the NRA actually pushes.

I mean, look at SHARE, it's something gun groups pushed heavily (enough to move it from committee to floor in a single day) and it doesn't really contain anything for such people.

Idk dude Ted Nugent is a NRA board member and is pretty off his rocker

He wanted a blowjob from Obama after all.