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Postby Ism » Thu Aug 03, 2017 4:08 pm

36 Camera Perspective wrote:
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You're talking to randies online, brosky, we don't exactly care how our messaging comes off to outside observers looking in. We're not the Democratic Party, you know.


Sure, but if you watch Stephen Colbert, that's what you're going to get.


You watch a comedian, and are upset you get jokes instead of the Democratic Party platform?

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Postby 36 Camera Perspective » Thu Aug 03, 2017 4:11 pm

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Sure, but if you watch Stephen Colbert, that's what you're going to get.


You watch a comedian, and are upset you get jokes instead of the Democratic Party platform?


I'm not "upset" about anything. That's an emotion. I'm thinking logically here. What I disagree with is making the same tired jokes ad nauseum instead of providing an alternative.
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Postby Valrifell » Thu Aug 03, 2017 4:16 pm

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You watch a comedian, and are upset you get jokes instead of the Democratic Party platform?


I'm not "upset" about anything. That's an emotion. I'm thinking logically here. What I disagree with is making the same tired jokes ad nauseum instead of providing an alternative.


But it's not the job of comedians and randos online to make a platform? The Democrats do have a message, you know, people were complaining about it earlier in this very thread (lightheartedly, tho), and you could always swing by the Democratic thread if you ever doubt that.

Your complaints are like if I took all the rambling against Obama that Alex Jones (I assume) did and take that to mean Republicans and the Right have no vision.
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Postby Galloism » Thu Aug 03, 2017 4:16 pm

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Thermodolia wrote:Nah I think he's going to fire Muller in retaliation


If Trump fires Mueller, my account will CTE, since I will either be dead or in a permanent vegetative state after facepalming my hand through my fucking skull.

Sounds unhealthy.
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Postby 36 Camera Perspective » Thu Aug 03, 2017 4:17 pm

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I'm not "upset" about anything. That's an emotion. I'm thinking logically here. What I disagree with is making the same tired jokes ad nauseum instead of providing an alternative.


But it's not the job of comedians and randos online to make a platform? The Democrats do have a message, you know, people were complaining about it earlier in this very thread (lightheartedly, tho), and you could always swing by the Democratic thread if you ever doubt that.

Your complaints are like if I took all the rambling against Obama that Alex Jones (I assume) did and take that to mean Republicans and the Right have no vision.


But people like Colbert double as political commentators as much as they are comedians.
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Postby 36 Camera Perspective » Thu Aug 03, 2017 4:18 pm

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36 Camera Perspective wrote:
If Trump fires Mueller, my account will CTE, since I will either be dead or in a permanent vegetative state after facepalming my hand through my fucking skull.

Sounds unhealthy.


It's hard to be mentally healthy in the Trump era.
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Postby Ism » Thu Aug 03, 2017 4:18 pm

36 Camera Perspective wrote:
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You watch a comedian, and are upset you get jokes instead of the Democratic Party platform?


I'm not "upset" about anything. That's an emotion. I'm thinking logically here. What I disagree with is making the same tired jokes ad nauseum instead of providing an alternative.


Well, it's a comedy show/political satire show. It's going to focus on making jokes about current events, and Trump tends to draw a lot of attention, his connections to Russia especially. If you want theDemocratc agenda, go read the Democratic agenda.

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Postby 36 Camera Perspective » Thu Aug 03, 2017 4:20 pm

Ism wrote:
36 Camera Perspective wrote:
I'm not "upset" about anything. That's an emotion. I'm thinking logically here. What I disagree with is making the same tired jokes ad nauseum instead of providing an alternative.


Well, it's a comedy show/political satire show. It's going to focus on making jokes about current events, and Trump tends to draw a lot of attention, his connections to Russia especially. If you want theDemocratc agenda, go read the Democratic agenda.


I personally know what the Democratic agenda is. In terms of communicating that agenda to the American people, "Go to democrats.org" is probably not the best way. Most Americans would tl;dr that shit.
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Postby Valrifell » Thu Aug 03, 2017 4:20 pm

36 Camera Perspective wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
But it's not the job of comedians and randos online to make a platform? The Democrats do have a message, you know, people were complaining about it earlier in this very thread (lightheartedly, tho), and you could always swing by the Democratic thread if you ever doubt that.

Your complaints are like if I took all the rambling against Obama that Alex Jones (I assume) did and take that to mean Republicans and the Right have no vision.


But people like Colbert double as political commentators as much as they are comedians.


And people like Alex Jones doubles as political commentators as much as they are raving lunatics.
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Postby Michael Johnathan » Thu Aug 03, 2017 4:21 pm

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Trump isn't insane. Egotistical. Arrogant. Pompous. Etc. But he's not insane. He doesn't want a nuclear holocaust anymore than say Obama did or even Kim Jong Un. All we have seen is posturing. Granted there is a very real danger from doing that, but you're treating it like we elected a mad Targaryen to the WH. Rather he's Robert towards the end. Drinking and fucking.

Ah, but Trump doesn't drink.



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Postby Valrifell » Thu Aug 03, 2017 4:21 pm

36 Camera Perspective wrote:
Ism wrote:
Well, it's a comedy show/political satire show. It's going to focus on making jokes about current events, and Trump tends to draw a lot of attention, his connections to Russia especially. If you want theDemocratc agenda, go read the Democratic agenda.


I personally know what the Democratic agenda is. In terms of communicating that agenda to the American people, "Go to democrats.org" is probably not the best way. Most Americans would tl;dr that shit.


They're not getting it until campaign season.

Being a minority party and all, advocating your platform only sets your base up for edgy disillusionment and disappointment.
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Postby Galloism » Thu Aug 03, 2017 4:21 pm

36 Camera Perspective wrote:
Galloism wrote:Sounds unhealthy.


It's hard to be mentally healthy in the Trump era.

Hard to argue with that.

I maintain mine by posting lots of articles to nationstates and seeing how people take it.
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Postby Athrax » Thu Aug 03, 2017 4:22 pm

Galloism wrote:
36 Camera Perspective wrote:
It's hard to be mentally healthy in the Trump era.

Hard to argue with that.

I maintain mine by posting lots of articles to nationstates and seeing how people take it.

Poorly, for the most part. I mosty cope by laughing at all of it like it's just a comedy

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Postby Valrifell » Thu Aug 03, 2017 4:23 pm

Athrax wrote:
Galloism wrote:Hard to argue with that.

I maintain mine by posting lots of articles to nationstates and seeing how people take it.

Poorly, for the most part. I mosty cope by laughing at all of it like it's just a comedy


I mean, I've got a therapist. So I think I'm dealing with it the healthiest :P
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Postby Galloism » Thu Aug 03, 2017 4:23 pm

Athrax wrote:
Galloism wrote:Hard to argue with that.

I maintain mine by posting lots of articles to nationstates and seeing how people take it.

Poorly, for the most part. I mosty cope by laughing at all of it like it's just a comedy

Tragic comedies are quite fun sometimes.
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Postby Ism » Thu Aug 03, 2017 4:23 pm

36 Camera Perspective wrote:
Ism wrote:
Well, it's a comedy show/political satire show. It's going to focus on making jokes about current events, and Trump tends to draw a lot of attention, his connections to Russia especially. If you want theDemocratc agenda, go read the Democratic agenda.


I personally know what the Democratic agenda is. In terms of communicating that agenda to the American people, "Go to democrats.org" is probably not the best way. Most Americans would tl;dr that shit.


Which is why when election season draws near there will be advertisements and campaigning, which will communicate that message into a more accessible form.

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Postby Galloism » Thu Aug 03, 2017 4:28 pm

‘Leaking Sure Is Cool, Huh, Guys?’ Says Disguised John Kelly To White House Aides

WASHINGTON—Straightening his synthetic wig before casually approaching a nearby lunch table, a disguised Chief of Staff John Kelly reportedly set down his tray, pulled over a chair, and said “Leaking sure is cool, huh, guys?” to a group of White House aides dining in the West Wing commissary Tuesday. “Anybody else just love leaking information to the press, or have any fun leaking stories they want to tell? It’s totally cool if you do; everybody’s doing it,” said Kelly, who then asked the group what their “absolute favorite things to leak” were before taking a bite of his sandwich and intently observing the staffers’ reactions from behind his prop glasses. “I was thinking about getting a group together to hang out and do some leaking this afternoon. How about it? Who’s game for a couple of brewskies and calling the New York Times to share confidential information about the president on condition of anonymity? I’m buying!” As of press time, more than half a dozen newspapers had printed accounts from unnamed White House sources alleging that Kelly was already succumbing to the pressures of overseeing the Trump administration and likely wouldn’t last much longer in his role.
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Postby Galloism » Thu Aug 03, 2017 4:28 pm

John Kelly closes the Oval Office door

The door to the Oval Office used to be wide open, with favored officials drifting in and out — even in the middle of meetings — to kibitz with Trump.

Now, the door is closed. Gen. John Kelly, the new White House chief of staff, has taken control in dramatic fashion, and is already imposing unmistakable signs of order after just a few days on the job:

Even POTUS appears to be trying to impress his four-star handler, picking up his game by acting sharper in meetings and even rattling off stats.
Meetings are shorter and stick to their scheduled topic.

Everyone — even uber-aides Jared and Ivanka, and economic adviser Gary Cohn — is being deferential to Kelly.

Be smart: The most consequential workplace in America has been one of the most dysfunctional. General Kelly took an instantly assertive tack, and some of the overt shenanigans stopped overnight.

But the ultimate boss has no plans to really change. (Yesterday he tweeted: "Only the Fake News Media and Trump enemies want me to stop using Social Media (110 million people). Only way for me to get the truth out!") And the new internal order will remain only as long as he plays along.
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Venicilian: wow. Jesus hung around with everyone. boys, girls, rich, poor(mostly), sick, healthy, etc. in fact, i bet he even went up to gay people and tried to heal them so they would be straight.
The Parkus Empire: Being serious on NSG is like wearing a suit to a nude beach.
New Kereptica: Since power is changed energy over time, an increase in power would mean, in this case, an increase in energy. As energy is equivalent to mass and the density of the government is static, the volume of the government must increase.


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Postby 36 Camera Perspective » Thu Aug 03, 2017 4:30 pm

Valrifell wrote:
36 Camera Perspective wrote:
I personally know what the Democratic agenda is. In terms of communicating that agenda to the American people, "Go to democrats.org" is probably not the best way. Most Americans would tl;dr that shit.


They're not getting it until campaign season.

Being a minority party and all, advocating your platform only sets your base up for edgy disillusionment and disappointment.


Speaking of that, I firmly believe we need to bridge the gap between the rhetoric of social justice and the perceptions of everyday white people. The Democratic party will continue to suffer if it continues with the identity politics of 2016, where the logic of identity politics essentially imploded on itself. When a small minority of Hispanics stated their intention to vote for Trump, they were mocked and ridiculed for somehow betraying their race and voting against their own self-interest. When Trump's inauguration was held, any black artists who would perform for Trump were mocked as Uncle Toms, or compared to performers in a racist 1930's minstrel show. When Hispanics are pressured to vote as Hispanics, and blacks are pressured to vote as blacks, the inadvertent effect is that whites will vote as whites, and when whites vote as whites, whodoya think they're gonna vote for?
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Postby Michael Johnathan » Thu Aug 03, 2017 4:31 pm

Galloism wrote:John Kelly closes the Oval Office door

The door to the Oval Office used to be wide open, with favored officials drifting in and out — even in the middle of meetings — to kibitz with Trump.

Now, the door is closed. Gen. John Kelly, the new White House chief of staff, has taken control in dramatic fashion, and is already imposing unmistakable signs of order after just a few days on the job:

Even POTUS appears to be trying to impress his four-star handler, picking up his game by acting sharper in meetings and even rattling off stats.
Meetings are shorter and stick to their scheduled topic.

Everyone — even uber-aides Jared and Ivanka, and economic adviser Gary Cohn — is being deferential to Kelly.

Be smart: The most consequential workplace in America has been one of the most dysfunctional. General Kelly took an instantly assertive tack, and some of the overt shenanigans stopped overnight.

But the ultimate boss has no plans to really change. (Yesterday he tweeted: "Only the Fake News Media and Trump enemies want me to stop using Social Media (110 million people). Only way for me to get the truth out!") And the new internal order will remain only as long as he plays along.


Not a bad thing.

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Postby Camicon » Thu Aug 03, 2017 4:34 pm

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Not a bad thing.

It would be nice if Kelly could keep the idiocy contained until Mueller brings charges and Trump gets impeached.
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Postby Steffan » Thu Aug 03, 2017 4:34 pm

Galloism wrote:John Kelly closes the Oval Office door

The door to the Oval Office used to be wide open, with favored officials drifting in and out — even in the middle of meetings — to kibitz with Trump.

Now, the door is closed. Gen. John Kelly, the new White House chief of staff, has taken control in dramatic fashion, and is already imposing unmistakable signs of order after just a few days on the job:

Even POTUS appears to be trying to impress his four-star handler, picking up his game by acting sharper in meetings and even rattling off stats.
Meetings are shorter and stick to their scheduled topic.

Everyone — even uber-aides Jared and Ivanka, and economic adviser Gary Cohn — is being deferential to Kelly.

Be smart: The most consequential workplace in America has been one of the most dysfunctional. General Kelly took an instantly assertive tack, and some of the overt shenanigans stopped overnight.

But the ultimate boss has no plans to really change. (Yesterday he tweeted: "Only the Fake News Media and Trump enemies want me to stop using Social Media (110 million people). Only way for me to get the truth out!") And the new internal order will remain only as long as he plays along.

Well, color me impressed. Maybe Kelly will straighten that mess out to some degree. Hopefully it'll help out a bit
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Postby Valrifell » Thu Aug 03, 2017 4:41 pm

36 Camera Perspective wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
They're not getting it until campaign season.

Being a minority party and all, advocating your platform only sets your base up for edgy disillusionment and disappointment.


Speaking of that, I firmly believe we need to bridge the gap between the rhetoric of social justice and the perceptions of everyday white people. The Democratic party will continue to suffer if it continues with the identity politics of 2016, where the logic of identity politics essentially imploded on itself. When a small minority of Hispanics stated their intention to vote for Trump, they were mocked and ridiculed for somehow betraying their race and voting against their own self-interest. When Trump's inauguration was held, any black artists who would perform for Trump were mocked as Uncle Toms, or compared to performers in a racist 1930's minstrel show. When Hispanics are pressured to vote as Hispanics, and blacks are pressured to vote as blacks, the inadvertent effect is that whites will vote as whites, and when whites vote as whites, whodoya think they're gonna vote for?


Morons are out of the control of any Party, and anyone else. They're gonna keep doing and saying stupid things like that.

Luckily, they're an extreme minority and nowhere near a threat to actually harm the Democratic party. Their perception is another thing entirely, since some people have managed to convince themselves and others that Democrats (and a lotta things really) are part of a larger anti-white/reverse racism/feminist agenda that seeks to destroy the White Man. Such people, however, are irrational, and I don't feel comfortable playing to their largely imaginary fears.

To get clearer thoughts out more concisely, a Democratic party that completely abandons social justice is no Democratic party of mine, but those morons are hurting the party's image.
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Postby Sane Outcasts » Thu Aug 03, 2017 4:44 pm

Camicon wrote:
Michael Johnathan wrote:Not a bad thing.

It would be nice if Kelly could keep the idiocy contained until Mueller brings charges and Trump gets impeached.

Only way to do that would be to take Twitter away from Trump. At this point, I think Trump would sooner change his hairstyle than stop tweeting.

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Postby The Flutterlands » Thu Aug 03, 2017 4:48 pm

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Not a bad thing.

It would be nice if Kelly could keep the idiocy contained until Mueller brings charges and Trump gets impeached.

What makes you think Trump would get impeached? Why should he get impeached when his own unpopularity could get rid of him in 2020?
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