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Postby Corrian » Thu Aug 03, 2017 1:29 pm

Also, Trump, at least back in his Mexico talk, thought he won New Hampshire.

He did not.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Thu Aug 03, 2017 1:32 pm

Corrian wrote:I love how freaking Rex Tillerson's department isn't even subtle. "We're not taking money to counter Russian propaganda because it would anger Moscow"

Like holy crap.

Also, I feel like Rex Tillerson is going to leave soon. He wanted sanctions lifted. Sanctions are even stronger. Pretty sure all he cared about was trying to help Exxon Mobil with that deal. And now he just seems to be sitting on his ass.

Again, and the last time I asked it, not one answered: What Russian propaganda? How would it be countered?
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Postby Corrian » Thu Aug 03, 2017 1:34 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Corrian wrote:I love how freaking Rex Tillerson's department isn't even subtle. "We're not taking money to counter Russian propaganda because it would anger Moscow"

Like holy crap.

Also, I feel like Rex Tillerson is going to leave soon. He wanted sanctions lifted. Sanctions are even stronger. Pretty sure all he cared about was trying to help Exxon Mobil with that deal. And now he just seems to be sitting on his ass.

Again, and the last time I asked it, not one answered: What Russian propaganda? How would it be countered?

This isn't particularly an area of expertise for me, so I can't really answer. But pretty much every country spreads around some form of propaganda, so...
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Postby Gauthier » Thu Aug 03, 2017 1:35 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Corrian wrote:I love how freaking Rex Tillerson's department isn't even subtle. "We're not taking money to counter Russian propaganda because it would anger Moscow"

Like holy crap.

Also, I feel like Rex Tillerson is going to leave soon. He wanted sanctions lifted. Sanctions are even stronger. Pretty sure all he cared about was trying to help Exxon Mobil with that deal. And now he just seems to be sitting on his ass.

Again, and the last time I asked it, not one answered: What Russian propaganda? How would it be countered?

Just wait until 2018 and 2020.
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Postby Salus Maior » Thu Aug 03, 2017 1:36 pm

Corrian wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Again, and the last time I asked it, not one answered: What Russian propaganda? How would it be countered?

This isn't particularly an area of expertise for me, so I can't really answer. But pretty much every country spreads around some form of propaganda, so...


....So is this Russian propaganda in our country or their country?
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Postby Valrifell » Thu Aug 03, 2017 1:37 pm

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Corrian wrote:This isn't particularly an area of expertise for me, so I can't really answer. But pretty much every country spreads around some form of propaganda, so...


....So is this Russian propaganda in our country or their country?


Well, since apparently countering ISIS propaganda was lumped into the proposal, I'd say our country. What could it mean? I dunno, maybe something pro-Assad or pro-them in Ukraine.
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Postby Corrian » Thu Aug 03, 2017 1:37 pm

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Corrian wrote:This isn't particularly an area of expertise for me, so I can't really answer. But pretty much every country spreads around some form of propaganda, so...


....So is this Russian propaganda in our country or their country?

Pretty sure it was to counter ISIS and Russian propaganda in our country. The money that is.
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Postby Thermodolia » Thu Aug 03, 2017 1:38 pm

Well shits going down. Mueller launches grand jury in Russia probe - report
http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/03/politics/ ... index.html
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Thu Aug 03, 2017 1:39 pm

Corrian wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Again, and the last time I asked it, not one answered: What Russian propaganda? How would it be countered?

This isn't particularly an area of expertise for me, so I can't really answer. But pretty much every country spreads around some form of propaganda, so...

What I think is we don't have a strategy to stop "Russian propaganda" and that the funds were just allocated to make people feel better. I mean, how would we even counter it?
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Thu Aug 03, 2017 1:42 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
....So is this Russian propaganda in our country or their country?


Well, since apparently countering ISIS propaganda was lumped into the proposal, I'd say our country. What could it mean? I dunno, maybe something pro-Assad or pro-them in Ukraine.

Okay, to stop Pro-Russian propaganda about the Ukraine conflict? What does that look like, and how do you counter it? It's not like it's illegal to be Pro-Russia, so you can't just ban RT.
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Postby Thermodolia » Thu Aug 03, 2017 1:42 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Corrian wrote:This isn't particularly an area of expertise for me, so I can't really answer. But pretty much every country spreads around some form of propaganda, so...

What I think is we don't have a strategy to stop "Russian propaganda" and that the funds were just allocated to make people feel better. I mean, how would we even counter it?

With our own propaganda obviously
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Postby The East Marches II » Thu Aug 03, 2017 1:42 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Corrian wrote:This isn't particularly an area of expertise for me, so I can't really answer. But pretty much every country spreads around some form of propaganda, so...

What I think is we don't have a strategy to stop "Russian propaganda" and that the funds were just allocated to make people feel better. I mean, how would we even counter it?


It'd be easier just to make our own or do more radio free Europe stuff.

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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Thu Aug 03, 2017 1:46 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:What I think is we don't have a strategy to stop "Russian propaganda" and that the funds were just allocated to make people feel better. I mean, how would we even counter it?

With our own propaganda obviously

Is propaganda really what American liberals want to get behind?
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Postby Great Nepal » Thu Aug 03, 2017 1:47 pm

Does grand jury mean Mueller is ready to bring charges against someone (Trump Jr perhaps), or is there other jobs of grand jury that im missing?
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Postby Corrian » Thu Aug 03, 2017 1:48 pm

Thermodolia wrote:Well shits going down. Mueller launches grand jury in Russia probe - report
http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/03/politics/ ... index.html

I don't exactly know what this means.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Thu Aug 03, 2017 1:50 pm

Corrian wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Well shits going down. Mueller launches grand jury in Russia probe - report
http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/03/politics/ ... index.html

I don't exactly know what this means.

Grand Juries hear evidence and decide whether to charge someone with a crime or not.
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Postby Astrolinium » Thu Aug 03, 2017 1:52 pm

Great Nepal wrote:Does grand jury mean Mueller is ready to bring charges against someone (Trump Jr perhaps), or is there other jobs of grand jury that im missing?

From what I can gather, it suggests that Mueller thinks there's enough there to begin considering whether or not charges are appropriate.
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Postby Athrax » Thu Aug 03, 2017 1:53 pm

Great Nepal wrote:Does grand jury mean Mueller is ready to bring charges against someone (Trump Jr perhaps), or is there other jobs of grand jury that im missing?


Corrian wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Well shits going down. Mueller launches grand jury in Russia probe - report
http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/03/politics/ ... index.html

I don't exactly know what this means.


A grand jury has much broader powers of subpoena and can compel testimony. They're generally required to bring felony charges on the federal level, especially in such sensitive matters. If he's gone this far, it means Mueller is gearing up to press charges barring major changes

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Postby Salandriagado » Thu Aug 03, 2017 1:53 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:With our own propaganda obviously

Is propaganda really what American liberals want to get behind?


That depends what you mean by "propaganda".
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Thu Aug 03, 2017 1:55 pm

Salandriagado wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Is propaganda really what American liberals want to get behind?


That depends what you mean by "propaganda".

Since the Russian propaganda takes the form of state media, I would guess that.
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Postby Gauthier » Thu Aug 03, 2017 2:08 pm

Thermodolia wrote:Well shits going down. Mueller launches grand jury in Russia probe - report
http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/03/politics/ ... index.html

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Postby The East Marches II » Thu Aug 03, 2017 2:14 pm

Finally the Situation Room isn't bogged down with garbage panelists screeching at each other. CNN looks like an image of its once good past self.

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Postby Liriena » Thu Aug 03, 2017 2:15 pm

The East Marches II wrote:Finally the Situation Room isn't bogged down with garbage panelists screeching at each other. CNN looks like an image of its once good past self.

Jeff Zucker must be out of town.
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Postby Liriena » Thu Aug 03, 2017 2:18 pm

Gauthier wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Well shits going down. Mueller launches grand jury in Russia probe - report
http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/03/politics/ ... index.html

Fake News! Nothing Burger!

Somebody call Sean Hannity!
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Postby Philjia » Thu Aug 03, 2017 2:26 pm

Athrax wrote:
Great Nepal wrote:Does grand jury mean Mueller is ready to bring charges against someone (Trump Jr perhaps), or is there other jobs of grand jury that im missing?


Corrian wrote:I don't exactly know what this means.


A grand jury has much broader powers of subpoena and can compel testimony. They're generally required to bring felony charges on the federal level, especially in such sensitive matters. If he's gone this far, it means Mueller is gearing up to press charges barring major changes

And, while they are supposed to have a particular remit when they start, they can and will go beyond it if evidence of wrongdoing is found.
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