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Postby The Black Forrest » Thu Aug 03, 2017 9:37 am

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You know what I meant.

More about Trump, what's his approval looking like right now? According to CNN it's at record lows.


We're about at the point where anyone pinning Trump's re-election as a sure thing, or even likely, that my laughter can be heard across state lines.


A sure thing? Not really. Is he guaranteed to be a one term? No. The polls can say all they want but you can't dismiss the one issue voters. They tend to not concern themselves with the whole. For example, he only has to yabber on about guns and its your right to own them and he will have many votes.....
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Aug 03, 2017 9:40 am

The Black Forrest wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
We're about at the point where anyone pinning Trump's re-election as a sure thing, or even likely, that my laughter can be heard across state lines.


A sure thing? Not really. Is he guaranteed to be a one term? No. The polls can say all they want but you can't dismiss the one issue voters. They tend to not concern themselves with the whole. For example, he only has to yabber on about guns and its your right to own them and he will have many votes.....


Probably a couple million from that, yeah. Then you add in abortion, immigration etc and there's still a lot of people who could easily vote Trump.
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Postby Gauthier » Thu Aug 03, 2017 9:41 am

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Valrifell wrote:
We're about at the point where anyone pinning Trump's re-election as a sure thing, or even likely, that my laughter can be heard across state lines.


A sure thing? Not really. Is he guaranteed to be a one term? No. The polls can say all they want but you can't dismiss the one issue voters. They tend to not concern themselves with the whole. For example, he only has to yabber on about guns and its your right to own them and he will have many votes.....

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Postby Valrifell » Thu Aug 03, 2017 9:50 am

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A sure thing? Not really. Is he guaranteed to be a one term? No. The polls can say all they want but you can't dismiss the one issue voters. They tend to not concern themselves with the whole. For example, he only has to yabber on about guns and its your right to own them and he will have many votes.....


Probably a couple million from that, yeah. Then you add in abortion, immigration etc and there's still a lot of people who could easily vote Trump.


Not nearly enough to win him an election, however.

Most people we'd call single-issue voters still have a general concern with the rest of the country and their general well-being. If the country is shit they're not liable to approve of the President and vote for him again just because he did one thing they liked. This isn't even to mention the campaign promises he's breaking and the betrayals and compromises he has to give, that will anger the more rabid singe-issue voters.

Trump won key states with razor thin margins, it seems a bit silly to think that the same voters could help him win again in spite of reasonable conditions. Realistically speaking it was never single-issue voters that won Trump the election, it was the fact he promised vague notions of a better country that people latched onto and went up against someone who was as unpopular as he was but was promising the status quo.

I think a chunk of this is a misunderstanding of just how shit a 37% rating is. Trump is polling consistently around where Gerald Ford was during the onset of his presidency. Election four years from now with the same rating, he has little chance. For the record, that is not to say we should just sit idly by and chance fate.
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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Thu Aug 03, 2017 9:51 am

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We're about at the point where anyone pinning Trump's re-election as a sure thing, or even likely, that my laughter can be heard across state lines.

Cue the smug gloats about Clinton running again.


Plz no.

haven't we suffered enough
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Postby Valrifell » Thu Aug 03, 2017 9:52 am

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Gauthier wrote:Cue the smug gloats about Clinton running again.


Plz no.

haven't we suffered enough


Apparently not.
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Thu Aug 03, 2017 9:52 am

Tbh Le Donald would make a perfect Paramount Leader of the PRC.

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Postby Ism » Thu Aug 03, 2017 10:07 am

G-Tech Corporation wrote:
Gauthier wrote:Cue the smug gloats about Clinton running again.


Plz no.

haven't we suffered enough


No. :twisted:

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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Thu Aug 03, 2017 10:08 am

G-Tech Corporation wrote:
Gauthier wrote:Cue the smug gloats about Clinton running again.


Plz no.

haven't we suffered enough

I think you're slowly catching on that this world is your personal purgatory..
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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Thu Aug 03, 2017 10:09 am

Great Confederacy Of Commonwealth States wrote:
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Plz no.

haven't we suffered enough

I think you're slowly catching on that this world is your personal purgatory..


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Postby Proctopeo » Thu Aug 03, 2017 10:10 am

Gauthier wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
We're about at the point where anyone pinning Trump's re-election as a sure thing, or even likely, that my laughter can be heard across state lines.

Cue the smug gloats about Clinton running again.

If the DNC doesn't become self-aware, seeing someone like Clinton get the nomination isn't out of the picture.
Presumably now that they have a (terrible) slogan, they can start deciding important things, like what coffee they should buy.
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Postby Geilinor » Thu Aug 03, 2017 10:11 am

Proctopeo wrote:
Gauthier wrote:Cue the smug gloats about Clinton running again.

If the DNC doesn't become self-aware, seeing someone like Clinton get the nomination isn't out of the picture.
Presumably now that they have a (terrible) slogan, they can start deciding important things, like what coffee they should buy.

People didn't even complain this much when Paul Ryan made his slogan "A Better Way".
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Postby Astrolinium » Thu Aug 03, 2017 10:13 am

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Gauthier wrote:Cue the smug gloats about Clinton running again.

If the DNC doesn't become self-aware, seeing someone like Clinton get the nomination isn't out of the picture.
Presumably now that they have a (terrible) slogan, they can start deciding important things, like what coffee they should buy.


What the fuck is wrong with the slogan? Or did you just decide it's terrible because you refuse to believe the Democratic Party could produce anything else?
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Aug 03, 2017 10:14 am

Geilinor wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:If the DNC doesn't become self-aware, seeing someone like Clinton get the nomination isn't out of the picture.
Presumably now that they have a (terrible) slogan, they can start deciding important things, like what coffee they should buy.

People didn't even complain this much when Paul Ryan made his slogan "A Better Way".


Cuz that isn't really a terrible slogan. The DNC needs to hire someone who can think up something catchy.
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Postby Geilinor » Thu Aug 03, 2017 10:15 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Geilinor wrote:People didn't even complain this much when Paul Ryan made his slogan "A Better Way".


Cuz that isn't really a terrible slogan. The DNC needs to hire someone who can think up something catchy.

"A Better Way" isn't terrible but "A Better Deal" is?
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Aug 03, 2017 10:16 am

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Cuz that isn't really a terrible slogan. The DNC needs to hire someone who can think up something catchy.

"A Better Way" isn't terrible but "A Better Deal" is?


"A Better Deal: Better Skills, Better Jobs, Better Wages." is, yes. It's too god damn long to be a motto >_>
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Postby Proctopeo » Thu Aug 03, 2017 10:19 am

Geilinor wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:If the DNC doesn't become self-aware, seeing someone like Clinton get the nomination isn't out of the picture.
Presumably now that they have a (terrible) slogan, they can start deciding important things, like what coffee they should buy.

People didn't even complain this much when Paul Ryan made his slogan "A Better Way".

I think it's because it's normal to hold the DNC to higher standards.

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Proctopeo wrote:If the DNC doesn't become self-aware, seeing someone like Clinton get the nomination isn't out of the picture.
Presumably now that they have a (terrible) slogan, they can start deciding important things, like what coffee they should buy.


What the fuck is wrong with the slogan? Or did you just decide it's terrible because you refuse to believe the Democratic Party could produce anything else?

It reminded many of Papa John's slogan, especially the full slogan. And I believe they could, because they did, and their other ideas were far, far worse.
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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Thu Aug 03, 2017 10:28 am

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Great Confederacy Of Commonwealth States wrote:I think you're slowly catching on that this world is your personal purgatory..


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Postby Valrifell » Thu Aug 03, 2017 10:29 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Geilinor wrote:"A Better Way" isn't terrible but "A Better Deal" is?


"A Better Deal: Better Skills, Better Jobs, Better Wages." is, yes. It's too god damn long to be a motto >_>


The "Deal" motif needs to stay, though! It's been a staple of some of the more left-wing agendas in this country, "The New Deal," "The Fair Deal," The Square Deal."

It's clearly meant to imply a Democratic shift back to their roots, and I like it. ;-;
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Postby Valrifell » Thu Aug 03, 2017 10:31 am

Proctopeo wrote:
Gauthier wrote:Cue the smug gloats about Clinton running again.

If the DNC doesn't become self-aware, seeing someone like Clinton get the nomination isn't out of the picture.
Presumably now that they have a (terrible) slogan, they can start deciding important things, like what coffee they should buy.


Nobody is like Clinton with how completely reviled she was on the national stage. Nobody has decades of a Republican smear campaign holding them back. There are no more candidates who nobody likes quite in the same way as Clinton.

There are people who advocate for the same stuff and/or have the same ability to enthuse people, but they'd still do better than her in a general election.
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Postby Proctopeo » Thu Aug 03, 2017 10:34 am

Valrifell wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:If the DNC doesn't become self-aware, seeing someone like Clinton get the nomination isn't out of the picture.
Presumably now that they have a (terrible) slogan, they can start deciding important things, like what coffee they should buy.


Nobody is like Clinton with how completely reviled she was on the national stage. Nobody has decades of a Republican smear campaign holding them back. There are no more candidates who nobody likes quite in the same way as Clinton.

There are people who advocate for the same stuff and/or have the same ability to enthuse people, but they'd still do better than her in a general election.

You overestimate people. It's not out of the question that they get someone with similar policies, but terminal foot-in-mouth syndrome.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Aug 03, 2017 10:34 am

Valrifell wrote:
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"A Better Deal: Better Skills, Better Jobs, Better Wages." is, yes. It's too god damn long to be a motto >_>


The "Deal" motif needs to stay, though! It's been a staple of some of the more left-wing agendas in this country, "The New Deal," "The Fair Deal," The Square Deal."

It's clearly meant to imply a Democratic shift back to their roots, and I like it. ;-;


A Better Deal itself would be decent and yeah it would have ties to older liberal agendas. But adding all the other shit on is just silly.
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Postby Proctopeo » Thu Aug 03, 2017 10:36 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
The "Deal" motif needs to stay, though! It's been a staple of some of the more left-wing agendas in this country, "The New Deal," "The Fair Deal," The Square Deal."

It's clearly meant to imply a Democratic shift back to their roots, and I like it. ;-;


A Better Deal itself would be decent and yeah it would have ties to older liberal agendas. But adding all the other shit on is just silly.

Unless they're trying to invoke images of pizza, which is an unusual (and probably really dumb) move.
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Postby Valrifell » Thu Aug 03, 2017 10:37 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
The "Deal" motif needs to stay, though! It's been a staple of some of the more left-wing agendas in this country, "The New Deal," "The Fair Deal," The Square Deal."

It's clearly meant to imply a Democratic shift back to their roots, and I like it. ;-;


A Better Deal itself would be decent and yeah it would have ties to older liberal agendas. But adding all the other shit on is just silly.


To be fair, most people are probably going to abbreviate it as "A Better Deal" anyway.
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Postby Valrifell » Thu Aug 03, 2017 10:38 am

Proctopeo wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
A Better Deal itself would be decent and yeah it would have ties to older liberal agendas. But adding all the other shit on is just silly.

Unless they're trying to invoke images of pizza, which is an unusual (and probably really dumb) move.


Pizza wins votes.

Who doesn't like pizza?

No True American™, that's for sure.
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