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Liriena wrote:

Grenartia wrote:
And even sillier ideas about civil rights.

Really, the only good thing you can say about him is that he's recusing himself from the Russia investigation.

And he paid some lip service to protecting LGBT rights as Attorney General.

Was that before or after deciding that civil rights laws don't apply to LGBT rights?

Michael Johnathan wrote:

Valrifell wrote:
As we know, whites in America have a long history of being oppressed and discriminated against.

I know the Irish and Italians had it so easy when they came over.

They weren't definitially white when they got here, and their forms of racial prejudice practically evaporated long before any non-white minority got any sort of leeway.

You don't hear the term "Mick" as often as "Nigger" anymore.

Grenartia wrote:

Liriena wrote:And he paid some lip service to protecting LGBT rights as Attorney General.

Was that before or after deciding that civil rights laws don't apply to LGBT rights?

Before. Which tells you all you need to know about his honesty.

And when you get down to it, even his recusal was a sham, since he still played a part in Comey's firing.

United Muscovite Nations wrote:

Hurdergaryp wrote:

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"Great day at the dry-cleaners!"

Further proof that the economy is improving solely because of president Trump.

Valrifell wrote:

Ifreann wrote:Gotta protect those white people.

As we know, whites in America have a long history of being oppressed and discriminated against.

And affirmative action is just liberal code for reverse racism.

Valrifell wrote:

Michael Johnathan wrote:
I know the Irish and Italians had it so easy when they came over.

They weren't definitially white when they got here, and their forms of racial prejudice practically evaporated long before any non-white minority got any sort of leeway.

You don't hear the term "Mick" as often as "Nigger" anymore.

tbh, I hear Mick more often than I do the n-word, so...

Michael Johnathan wrote:Initially I hated the guy with an undying passion. However his presidency hasn't been the end of the world. I agree that taxes are higher than they should be, and the code should be simplified. But I'm frustrated with the GOP's stance on social issues. Though that's nothing new.

I just hope the Dems don't get all crazy and nominate Sanders/Warren 2020. Maybe Patrick would be OK.

You say Sanders/Warren 2020 like its a bad thing.

Hurdergaryp wrote:

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Congressional republicans: "Sure, he shat himself, but at least he's not Hillary."

Michael Johnathan wrote:

Valrifell wrote:
As we know, whites in America have a long history of being oppressed and discriminated against.

I know the Irish and Italians had it so easy when they came over.

They weren't even considered white until relatively recently. Much in the same way that the KKK and other white supremacist orgs talk about "white pride world wide", but constantly spew antisemitism, despite the fact that Askenazis are pretty fucking white.

Michael Johnathan wrote:

Valrifell wrote:They weren't definitially white when they got here, and their forms of racial prejudice practically evaporated long before any non-white minority got any sort of leeway.

You don't hear the term "Mick" as often as "Nigger" anymore.

tbh, I hear Mick more often than I do the n-word, so...

Color me skeptical that you live in a place where there's active racial tension between the Irish and any white group.

Michael Johnathan wrote:

Valrifell wrote:
As we know, whites in America have a long history of being oppressed and discriminated against.

I know the Irish and Italians had it so easy when they came over.

For not being considered white enough.

Tower Towns wrote:Would a Pence administration be more popular?

Debatable. Trump loyalists aren't loyal to Pence, so they may ditch altogether if Trump is gone and disapprove of Pence.

Grenartia wrote:

Michael Johnathan wrote:Initially I hated the guy with an undying passion. However his presidency hasn't been the end of the world. I agree that taxes are higher than they should be, and the code should be simplified. But I'm frustrated with the GOP's stance on social issues. Though that's nothing new.

I just hope the Dems don't get all crazy and nominate Sanders/Warren 2020. Maybe Patrick would be OK.

You say Sanders/Warren 2020 like its a bad thing.

Only if you want Trump re-elected.

Grenartia wrote:

Michael Johnathan wrote:
I know the Irish and Italians had it so easy when they came over.

They weren't even considered white until relatively recently. Much in the same way that the KKK and other white supremacist orgs talk about "white pride world wide", but constantly spew antisemitism, despite the fact that Askenazis are pretty fucking white.

And? You're sort of strengthening my point here.

Valrifell wrote:

Michael Johnathan wrote:
tbh, I hear Mick more often than I do the n-word, so...

Color me skeptical that you live in a place where there's active racial tension between the Irish and any white group.

Never said it was so, but I've heard people use the term Mick more often than I have the n-word.

Michael Johnathan wrote:

Grenartia wrote:
You say Sanders/Warren 2020 like its a bad thing.

1. Only if you want Trump re-elected.

Grenartia wrote:


They weren't even considered white until relatively recently. Much in the same way that the KKK and other white supremacist orgs talk about "white pride world wide", but constantly spew antisemitism, despite the fact that Askenazis are pretty fucking white.

2. And? You're sort of strengthening my point here.

1. Most people I'm aware of supported Bernie in the primaries.

2. Not really, because regardless of how shitty it was for Italians, Irish, and Jews, it was always worse for blacks, asians, and latinos. And the IIJ group was later invited to join in with oppressing the BAL group.

Grenartia wrote:

Michael Johnathan wrote:
1. Only if you want Trump re-elected.



2. And? You're sort of strengthening my point here.

1. Most people I'm aware of supported Bernie in the primaries.

2. Not really, because regardless of how shitty it was for Italians, Irish, and Jews, it was always worse for blacks, asians, and latinos. And the IIJ group was later invited to join in with oppressing the BAL group.

And? Most people I know supported Hillary. So clearly there's a disconnect here. Not just with you, but myself as well.

To clarify, I never drew up such a comparison, neither did the person I quoted. Simply put, there are "...whites in America who have had a long history of being oppressed and discriminated against."

Michael Johnathan wrote:

Grenartia wrote:
You say Sanders/Warren 2020 like its a bad thing.

Only if you want Trump re-elected.

Trump is breaking records in presidential unpopularity while Sanders remains the most popular person in Congress.

Michael Johnathan wrote:

Grenartia wrote:
1. Most people I'm aware of supported Bernie in the primaries.

2. Not really, because regardless of how shitty it was for Italians, Irish, and Jews, it was always worse for blacks, asians, and latinos. And the IIJ group was later invited to join in with oppressing the BAL group.

And? Most people I know supported Hillary. So clearly there's a disconnect here. Not just with you, but myself as well.

To clarify, I never drew up such a comparison, neither did the person I quoted. Simply put, there are "...whites in America who have had a long history of being oppressed and discriminated against."

Hillary was more supported by the Democratic Party because the Party apparatus favored her. As the general election proved, though, she had much less popularity with the general public, which is the reason Sanders, who was a fucking nobody nearly beat her.

Michael Johnathan wrote:

Grenartia wrote:
1. Most people I'm aware of supported Bernie in the primaries.

2. Not really, because regardless of how shitty it was for Italians, Irish, and Jews, it was always worse for blacks, asians, and latinos. And the IIJ group was later invited to join in with oppressing the BAL group.

And? Most people I know supported Hillary. So clearly there's a disconnect here. Not just with you, but myself as well.

To clarify, I never drew up such a comparison, neither did the person I quoted. Simply put, there are "...whites in America who have had a long history of being oppressed and discriminated against."

However, it was never institutionalized or as heavily ingrained in society as against non-whites.

United Muscovite Nations wrote:

Michael Johnathan wrote:
And? Most people I know supported Hillary. So clearly there's a disconnect here. Not just with you, but myself as well.

To clarify, I never drew up such a comparison, neither did the person I quoted. Simply put, there are "...whites in America who have had a long history of being oppressed and discriminated against."

Hillary was more supported by the Democratic Party because the Party apparatus favored her. As the general election proved, though, she had much less popularity with the general public, which is the reason Sanders, who was a fucking nobody nearly beat her.

Nearly beat her? This wasn't 2008, where it was practically split evenly. She won by 4 million votes in the primary. Compared to 08, where there was a 300,000 vote difference. I'm always amazed at people who think Sander's got close or even better yet would have fared better in the general based off of data from the very same pollsters that predicted Trump had virtually no chance of winning.

Michael Johnathan wrote:

Grenartia wrote:
1. Most people I'm aware of supported Bernie in the primaries.

2. Not really, because regardless of how shitty it was for Italians, Irish, and Jews, it was always worse for blacks, asians, and latinos. And the IIJ group was later invited to join in with oppressing the BAL group.

And? Most people I know supported Hillary. So clearly there's a disconnect here. Not just with you, but myself as well.

Most polling pins Sanders as far more popular than Clinton, and people evidently responded to his message, otherwise he wouldn't've gotten as far as he did and got the DNC to grant him major concessions in the platform.

Michael Johnathan wrote:

United Muscovite Nations wrote:Hillary was more supported by the Democratic Party because the Party apparatus favored her. As the general election proved, though, she had much less popularity with the general public, which is the reason Sanders, who was a fucking nobody nearly beat her.

Nearly beat her? This wasn't 2008, where it was practically split evenly. She won by 4 million votes in the primary. Compared to 08, where there was a 300,000 vote difference. I'm always amazed at people who think Sander's got close or even better yet would have fared better in the general based off of data from the very same pollsters that predicted Trump had virtually no chance of winning.

Hillary and Trump were the two most hated people in the country, of course Sanders would have done better.

Grenartia wrote:

Michael Johnathan wrote:
And? Most people I know supported Hillary. So clearly there's a disconnect here. Not just with you, but myself as well.

To clarify, I never drew up such a comparison, neither did the person I quoted. Simply put, there are "...whites in America who have had a long history of being oppressed and discriminated against."

However, it was never institutionalized or as heavily ingrained in society as against non-whites.

It absolutely was for nearly a third of this country's existence if not half of it. Protestant Anglo-Saxons (WASPs -remember?)dominated nearly every elitist pillar of this country.

Again, I'm not drawing comparisons here. But to deny that for over one hundred years, generationally, certain ethnic white groups were discriminated against. Heavily and it was institutionalized.

Michael Johnathan wrote:

United Muscovite Nations wrote:Hillary was more supported by the Democratic Party because the Party apparatus favored her. As the general election proved, though, she had much less popularity with the general public, which is the reason Sanders, who was a fucking nobody nearly beat her.

Nearly beat her? This wasn't 2008, where it was practically split evenly. She won by 4 million votes in the primary. Compared to 08, where there was a 300,000 vote difference. I'm always amazed at people who think Sander's got close or even better yet would have fared better in the general based off of data from the very same pollsters that predicted Trump had virtually no chance of winning.

In a primary cycle not dominated by Donald Trump, it's more likely that Sanders would've gotten more exposure and come even closer to winning than he did. Also, Trump did have virtually no chance of winning, sometimes that 2% becomes real. That doesn't change the fact it was still a 2% chance of it happening.

The election outcome, regardless of reality, was one of the most unlikely outcomes that could've happened.

United Muscovite Nations wrote:

Michael Johnathan wrote:
Nearly beat her? This wasn't 2008, where it was practically split evenly. She won by 4 million votes in the primary. Compared to 08, where there was a 300,000 vote difference. I'm always amazed at people who think Sander's got close or even better yet would have fared better in the general based off of data from the very same pollsters that predicted Trump had virtually no chance of winning.

Hillary and Trump were the two most hated people in the country, of course Sanders would have done better.

Sounds like wishful thinking.

Michael Johnathan wrote:

United Muscovite Nations wrote:Hillary and Trump were the two most hated people in the country, of course Sanders would have done better.

Sounds like wishful thinking.

For it to be wishful thinking, I would have to have wanted him to win.

G-Tech Corporation wrote:

Geilinor wrote:That's already the case. The Democrats have a pro-life senator, Bob Casey.

Indeed. But hey, the more the merrier!

Protect the Unborn, then once they're squirted out complain incessantly about them leeching off government welfare.