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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Wed Aug 02, 2017 10:46 am

Geilinor wrote:
The Flutterlands wrote:1.) Well, being Bush better or Hillary better doesn't cut it.
2.) No, but they are backing anti-choice candidates, which I think is stupid. The Democrats should be going after the progressives who broke away from them, not just trying to get moderate Republicans.
3.) Yeah, but there's a problem when a large majority of people are going left, while both parties continuously go right.

That's not going right. Bernie Sanders himself backed a pro-life candidate in Nebraska.


To be fair, it is Nebraska. Anti-life candidates (lel) tend not to fare well. One of the reasons I enjoy my state.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Wed Aug 02, 2017 10:48 am

Seangoli wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Bush also is directly responsible for the crises in the Middle East when he destroyed the legitimate government of Iraq and installed another sectarian dictatorship, provoking a civil war.

Say what you will about Trump, but he hasn't started a series of wars that killed over 100,000 people.



Yet. He seems like he is gnawing at the bit to go after North Korea, and has done nothing but increase hostility betqeen us and them. Doesnt help that his base seems to be under the impression that we our MIGHTY MILITARY PROWESS could easily win the conflict with no major losses or cost to us. Hyper military folk tend to be arrogant to a fault on the capabiloties of our military in such a war.

When he does such a thing, he will be as bad, but I don't think we should consider someone as bad as a literal war criminal because of stuff that he could possibly do.
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Postby G-Tech Corporation » Wed Aug 02, 2017 10:49 am

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Seangoli wrote:

Yet. He seems like he is gnawing at the bit to go after North Korea, and has done nothing but increase hostility betqeen us and them. Doesnt help that his base seems to be under the impression that we our MIGHTY MILITARY PROWESS could easily win the conflict with no major losses or cost to us. Hyper military folk tend to be arrogant to a fault on the capabiloties of our military in such a war.

When he does such a thing, he will be as bad, but I don't think we should consider someone as bad as a literal war criminal because of stuff that he could possibly do.


>literal war criminal

Careful, your Kremlin handler doesn't like it when you make your bias so apparent to casual inspection.
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Postby The Flutterlands » Wed Aug 02, 2017 10:50 am

Geilinor wrote:
The Flutterlands wrote:This. So much this. Stop praising war criminals ad "normal".

"Normal" is not praise.

When it comes to Trump, it's as close a praise as possible.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Wed Aug 02, 2017 10:50 am

G-Tech Corporation wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:When he does such a thing, he will be as bad, but I don't think we should consider someone as bad as a literal war criminal because of stuff that he could possibly do.


>literal war criminal

Careful, your Kremlin handler doesn't like it when you make your bias so apparent to casual inspection.

Basically every international organization admits that the US invasion of Iraq wasn't legally justifiable.
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Postby Proctopeo » Wed Aug 02, 2017 10:52 am

G-Tech Corporation wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:When he does such a thing, he will be as bad, but I don't think we should consider someone as bad as a literal war criminal because of stuff that he could possibly do.


>literal war criminal

Careful, your Kremlin handler doesn't like it when you make your bias so apparent to casual inspection.

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Postby Ifreann » Wed Aug 02, 2017 10:58 am

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Bush and Pence are normal American politicians.

Bush also is directly responsible for the crises in the Middle East when he destroyed the legitimate government of Iraq and installed another sectarian dictatorship, provoking a civil war.

Say what you will about Trump, but he hasn't started a series of wars that killed over 100,000 people.

Yet.


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Ifreann wrote:Depends how much better than Trump.

Planning to repal gay marriage, are they?

Of course it is normal and acceptable for political parties to change their positions over time.

1.) Well, being Bush better or Hillary better doesn't cut it.

I'm sure that will be a relevant consideration in 2020.
2.) No, but they are backing anti-choice candidates, which I think is stupid. The Democrats should be going after the progressives who broke away from them, not just trying to get moderate Republicans.

Well are they actually a pro-choice party?
3.) Yeah, but there's a problem when a large majority of people are going left, while both parties continuously go right.

Is any of that actually true?
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Wed Aug 02, 2017 10:58 am

Ifreann wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Bush also is directly responsible for the crises in the Middle East when he destroyed the legitimate government of Iraq and installed another sectarian dictatorship, provoking a civil war.

Say what you will about Trump, but he hasn't started a series of wars that killed over 100,000 people.

Yet.

Again, it is unreasonable to judge people for things they haven't done yet.
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Postby Geilinor » Wed Aug 02, 2017 11:01 am

The Flutterlands wrote:
Geilinor wrote:"Normal" is not praise.

When it comes to Trump, it's as close a praise as possible.

Nobody here called Trump "normal".
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Postby The Flutterlands » Wed Aug 02, 2017 11:02 am

Geilinor wrote:
The Flutterlands wrote:When it comes to Trump, it's as close a praise as possible.

Nobody here called Trump "normal".

I should have said 'in comparison' to be more specific then.
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Postby Grenartia » Wed Aug 02, 2017 11:03 am

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Bush and Pence are normal American politicians.

Bush also is directly responsible for the crises in the Middle East when he destroyed the legitimate government of Iraq and installed another sectarian dictatorship, provoking a civil war.

Say what you will about Trump, but he hasn't started a series of wars that killed over 100,000 people...yet.


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Postby Liriena » Wed Aug 02, 2017 11:20 am

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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Wed Aug 02, 2017 11:21 am


Why are you calling Trump an elf, elves are majestic, beautiful creatures, they don't deserve this treatment.
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Postby Valrifell » Wed Aug 02, 2017 11:22 am

United Muscovite Nations wrote:

Why are you calling Trump an elf, elves are majestic, beautiful creatures, they don't deserve this treatment.


Elves are also rude and arrogant in most forms of mainstream media, sooo...
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Postby Liriena » Wed Aug 02, 2017 11:22 am

United Muscovite Nations wrote:

Why are you calling Trump an elf, elves are majestic, beautiful creatures, they don't deserve this treatment.

Sessions is the elf, and not even a Tolkien or Dragon Age elf. He's one of those Harry Potter house elves, except he's racist and has silly ideas about marijuana.
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Aug 02, 2017 11:22 am


Gotta protect those white people.
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Postby Liriena » Wed Aug 02, 2017 11:23 am

Valrifell wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Why are you calling Trump an elf, elves are majestic, beautiful creatures, they don't deserve this treatment.


Elves are also rude and arrogant in most forms of mainstream media, sooo...

Thranduil is so fabulous, though...
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Postby Grenartia » Wed Aug 02, 2017 11:23 am

Liriena wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Why are you calling Trump an elf, elves are majestic, beautiful creatures, they don't deserve this treatment.

Sessions is the elf, and not even a Tolkien or Dragon Age elf. He's one of those Harry Potter house elves, except he's racist and has silly ideas about marijuana.


And even sillier ideas about civil rights.

Really, the only good thing you can say about him is that he's recusing himself from the Russia investigation.
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Postby Liriena » Wed Aug 02, 2017 11:25 am

Grenartia wrote:
Liriena wrote:Sessions is the elf, and not even a Tolkien or Dragon Age elf. He's one of those Harry Potter house elves, except he's racist and has silly ideas about marijuana.


And even sillier ideas about civil rights.

Really, the only good thing you can say about him is that he's recusing himself from the Russia investigation.

And he paid some lip service to protecting LGBT rights as Attorney General.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Wed Aug 02, 2017 11:25 am

Liriena wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Why are you calling Trump an elf, elves are majestic, beautiful creatures, they don't deserve this treatment.

Sessions is the elf, and not even a Tolkien or Dragon Age elf. He's one of those Harry Potter house elves, except he's racist and has silly ideas about marijuana.

Anything that contravenes the word of Tolkien (PBUH) is not canon
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Postby Valrifell » Wed Aug 02, 2017 11:26 am

Ifreann wrote:

Gotta protect those white people.


As we know, whites in America have a long history of being oppressed and discriminated against.
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Postby Michael Johnathan » Wed Aug 02, 2017 11:26 am

Initially I hated the guy with an undying passion. However his presidency hasn't been the end of the world. I agree that taxes are higher than they should be, and the code should be simplified. But I'm frustrated with the GOP's stance on social issues. Though that's nothing new.

I just hope the Dems don't get all crazy and nominate Sanders/Warren 2020. Maybe Patrick would be OK.

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Postby Michael Johnathan » Wed Aug 02, 2017 11:27 am

Valrifell wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Gotta protect those white people.


As we know, whites in America have a long history of being oppressed and discriminated against.


I know the Irish and Italians had it so easy when they came over.

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