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Postby Zanera » Fri Jul 28, 2017 2:36 pm

Frank Zipper wrote:Trump will soon run out of peope who will work for him.


Not really.
He can just start hiring lawyers.

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Postby Idzequitch » Fri Jul 28, 2017 2:36 pm

Hittanryan wrote:
Idzequitch wrote:Meanwhile, at the federal level, if you have enough money, you can buy one guy and have power over the whole nation. This is why I have absolutely no faith in government at any level. Which is why I'm so vehemently against the idea that taxation should be looked at favorably. The government has the capacity to be a force for good that benefits its people. But then politicians get involved with all their corruption and hidden agendas, and suddenly, we've given all this power to these selfish SOB's who couldn't care less about the people they represent.

In short, you've basically outlined why I want the government to have far less power than they do and receive far less tax revenue than they currently do.

So you're basically ignoring everything I've seen firsthand at the local level?

No. I'm adding on. Lower level government is incompetent and gets abused (as described by you). High level government is incompetent and gets abused (as described by me). So the solution is, minimize the government's power in general so it won't be abused and misused.
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Postby Frank Zipper » Fri Jul 28, 2017 2:38 pm

Zanera wrote:
Frank Zipper wrote:Trump will soon run out of peope who will work for him.


Not really.
He can just start hiring lawyers.


Start?
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Postby Liriena » Fri Jul 28, 2017 2:38 pm

Zanera wrote:
Frank Zipper wrote:Trump will soon run out of peope who will work for him.


Not really.
He can just start hiring lawyers.

Actually, not even that. :P
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Postby Valrifell » Fri Jul 28, 2017 2:38 pm

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Hittanryan wrote:So you're basically ignoring everything I've seen firsthand at the local level?

No. I'm adding on. Lower level government is incompetent and gets abused (as described by you). High level government is incompetent and gets abused (as described by me). So the solution is, minimize the government's power in general so it won't be abused and misused.


I mean, a better solution would be to work with and reform the system to minimize instances of corruption and incompetence at all levels of government...
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Postby Major-Tom » Fri Jul 28, 2017 2:38 pm

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Major-Tom wrote:No, but his administration did. ;)

A president's presence can go a long way towards minimizing the damage of his administration.

>> tfw Bush realized the future was in Africa and Trump probably thinks Africa is a country

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The amount of personal disdain I have for Trump is great, but so is my disdain for the entirety of the Bush family.

Their politics are reprehensible, but within the range of what is considered normal in this blighted land, and they aren't personally repugnant the way Trump is.


The repugnance of the Bush family is covered up in a much better way. Trump just leaves it for everyone to see and takes pride it in. Both is reprehensible.

Bush Jr wasn't the smartest guy either. Certainly not as stupid as some believe him to be, but he was really a frat boy son of a malicious ass turned President with a cabinet full of duplicitous liars and treasonists.

Come to think of it, that sounds a bit like Trump...

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Postby Steffan » Fri Jul 28, 2017 2:40 pm

Frank Zipper wrote:Trump will soon run out of peope who will work for him.

Nah, there's still plenty of peeps over at Goldman Sachs :oops:
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Postby Idzequitch » Fri Jul 28, 2017 2:41 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Idzequitch wrote:No. I'm adding on. Lower level government is incompetent and gets abused (as described by you). High level government is incompetent and gets abused (as described by me). So the solution is, minimize the government's power in general so it won't be abused and misused.


I mean, a better solution would be to work with and reform the system to minimize instances of corruption and incompetence at all levels of government...

Which sounds nice until you realize you're using more government to try to fix the government. Unless you have a different suggestion?
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Fri Jul 28, 2017 2:41 pm

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Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:$100 question, which armed citizenry state got anally rekt in the first years of the Napoleonic Wars?


Dunno, my knowledge of that part of European history is really basic.

To finish this. Switzerland got overrun in four months in 1798 by an army running on levee en masse. I don't know what the Indian Wars has to do with this. <.<
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Postby Frank Zipper » Fri Jul 28, 2017 2:41 pm

Steffan wrote:
Frank Zipper wrote:Trump will soon run out of peope who will work for him.

Nah, there's still plenty of peeps over at Goldman Sachs :oops:


Why would anyone want to work for Trump though?
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Postby Hakons » Fri Jul 28, 2017 2:42 pm

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Dunno, my knowledge of that part of European history is really basic.

To finish this. Switzerland got overrun in four months in 1798 by an army running on levee en masse. I don't know what the Indian Wars has to do with this. <.<


So we need more guns? :p
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Postby Steffan » Fri Jul 28, 2017 2:43 pm

Frank Zipper wrote:
Steffan wrote:Nah, there's still plenty of peeps over at Goldman Sachs :oops:


Why would anyone want to work for Trump though?

Idk, if their thick like John Kelly or David Clarke or Steve Bannon :p
Or rich like Betsy DeVos
Or related like Barron
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Fri Jul 28, 2017 2:43 pm

Steffan wrote:
Frank Zipper wrote:
Why would anyone want to work for Trump though?

Idk, if their thick like John Kelly or David Clarke or Steve Bannon :p

Or someone who has sold their soul for money.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Fri Jul 28, 2017 2:44 pm

Major-Tom wrote:The repugnance of the Bush family is covered up in a much better way. Trump just leaves it for everyone to see and takes pride it in. Both is reprehensible.

Bush Jr wasn't the smartest guy either. Certainly not as stupid as some believe him to be, but he was really a frat boy son of a malicious ass turned President with a cabinet full of duplicitous liars and treasonists.

Come to think of it, that sounds a bit like Trump...

Bush Jr. was probably of genuinely average intelligence. That's several steps above Trump, who takes the Dunning-Kruger effect as a requirement and not an observation.

Taking pride in it is much more reprehensible than hiding it. One says "This is okay. Bigly good. The best." The other has at least enough decency to not pretend repugnance is something that the country should be imitating.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Fri Jul 28, 2017 2:44 pm

Hakons wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:To finish this. Switzerland got overrun in four months in 1798 by an army running on levee en masse. I don't know what the Indian Wars has to do with this. <.<


So we need more guns? :p


Or better guns, like howitzers and heavy MG's.
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Postby Gauthier » Fri Jul 28, 2017 2:46 pm

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Postby Zanera » Fri Jul 28, 2017 2:47 pm

Frank Zipper wrote:
Zanera wrote:
Not really.
He can just start hiring lawyers.


Start?


In relation to replacing Cabinet members with lawyers.
But yeah, pffft.

Liriena wrote:
Zanera wrote:
Not really.
He can just start hiring lawyers.

Actually, not even that. :P


He could hire Russian lawyers.

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Postby Valrifell » Fri Jul 28, 2017 2:49 pm

Idzequitch wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
I mean, a better solution would be to work with and reform the system to minimize instances of corruption and incompetence at all levels of government...

Which sounds nice until you realize you're using more government to try to fix the government. Unless you have a different suggestion?


It's not using more government, it's changing how the government functions. Like going from state-appointed senators to direct election didn't actually add or remove bureaucracy, but it made the Federal government far more representative.
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Postby Neo Balka » Fri Jul 28, 2017 2:49 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Hakons wrote:
So we need more guns? :p


Or better guns, like howitzers and heavy MG's.


Or tanks.

Or a AH-64.

An AH-64 with a 30mm auto cannon with rockets and missiles.
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Postby Goral » Fri Jul 28, 2017 2:51 pm

Trump should have kept Priebus and disciplined Scaramucci.
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Postby Vassenor » Fri Jul 28, 2017 2:51 pm

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Postby Gauthier » Fri Jul 28, 2017 2:57 pm

Liriena wrote:Oh, no... It just ocurred to me, but what if Trump replaces Kelly as Secretary of Homeland Security with David Clarke?

I've seen African dictators wearing less medals than that nutcase.
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Postby Vassenor » Fri Jul 28, 2017 2:58 pm

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Liriena wrote:Oh, no... It just ocurred to me, but what if Trump replaces Kelly as Secretary of Homeland Security with David Clarke?

I've seen African dictators wearing less medals than that nutcase.


I've seen North Korean generals with more legitimate medals than him.
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Postby The States of Balloon » Fri Jul 28, 2017 3:03 pm

Greater Cesnica wrote:
Steffan wrote:Idk, if their thick like John Kelly or David Clarke or Steve Bannon :p

Or someone who has sold their soul for money.

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Fri Jul 28, 2017 3:03 pm

Steffan wrote:I personally think Kelly is a bad choice. He has no experience working in Washington and barely any experience at the DHS. I know that military experience can translate over to politics (Eisenhower :clap: ), but this is out of the open and into the pressure cooker. He'll need to learn REAL QUICK, or this will be a spectacular crash and burn. :oops:

This seems consistent with Trumps picks.
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