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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Fri Jul 28, 2017 1:18 pm

Steffan wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
He'll be too old by then.

Trump's 70 years old. That didn't stop people.
Probably flew over since Trump doesn't act like any 70 yr old i've ever met :?


Bernie will be almost 80, iirc.

Way too old.
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Postby Liriena » Fri Jul 28, 2017 1:19 pm

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Steffan wrote:BERNIE 2020


He'll be too old by then.

Age is just a number. :P
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Postby Valrifell » Fri Jul 28, 2017 1:19 pm

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Idzequitch wrote:Watch out world, here we come! :lol:


He's the President we needed, but not the one we deserved ;_;


Why do you Libertarians hate nice things? :p
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Postby Steffan » Fri Jul 28, 2017 1:20 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Steffan wrote:Trump's 70 years old. That didn't stop people.
Probably flew over since Trump doesn't act like any 70 yr old i've ever met :?


Bernie will be almost 80, iirc.

Way too old.

79...
Ugh, who else even is there?
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Fri Jul 28, 2017 1:20 pm

Valrifell wrote:
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He's the President we needed, but not the one we deserved ;_;


Why do you Libertarians hate nice things? :p


Hey now, it's the normal liberals that hate nice things.
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Postby Hittanryan » Fri Jul 28, 2017 1:21 pm

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Corrian wrote:Anyone notice, and it isn't ENTIRELY the case, but a lot of the countries with the highest tax rates are also the ones typically rated the happiest citizens and best places to live? Like Iceland for example.

One thing worth noting there though, is Iceland is small. They have less than half a million people. It's a lot easier for them to take care of their people with minimal bureaucracy, and even then, I think they'd be okay if Papa Gov't wasn't there to do everything for them.

The USA has literally 100x more people than Iceland. You get one government meddling in the affairs of 325 million people, and it's gonna be chaos. So to me, what this suggests is that governing should be the responsibility of the lowest level of government that can handle it. So when it gets to the federal government, they're only handling things that state and local government cannot, such as national defense.

And also, taxation is theft. Had to be said :P

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I have absolutely no faith in local government.
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Postby New haven america » Fri Jul 28, 2017 1:23 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Steffan wrote:Trump's 70 years old. That didn't stop people.
Probably flew over since Trump doesn't act like any 70 yr old i've ever met :?


Bernie will be almost 80, iirc.

Way too old.

Bernie would have been the oldest democratically elected leader in world history if he won.

Age doesn't matter.
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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Fri Jul 28, 2017 1:23 pm

Steffan wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Bernie will be almost 80, iirc.

Way too old.

79...
Ugh, who else even is there?

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Fri Jul 28, 2017 1:24 pm

New haven america wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Bernie will be almost 80, iirc.

Way too old.

Bernie would have been the oldest democratically elected leader in world history if he won.

Age doesn't matter.


Yeah it really kinda does matter.
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Postby New haven america » Fri Jul 28, 2017 1:24 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
He's the President we needed, but not the one we deserved ;_;


Why do you Libertarians hate nice things? :p

They suffer but don't want to admit it, so they instead choose to share their suffering.
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Postby Zanera » Fri Jul 28, 2017 1:24 pm

AiliailiA wrote:
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People keep mistaking me for other people on here lately.


As long as you keep that flag, I'll never forget who you are.

You're the Little Mermaid, right?


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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Fri Jul 28, 2017 1:25 pm

New haven america wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
Why do you Libertarians hate nice things? :p

They suffer but don't want to admit it, so they instead choose to share their suffering.


No suffering here friendo. Don't project so much.
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Postby Liriena » Fri Jul 28, 2017 1:26 pm

Steffan wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Bernie will be almost 80, iirc.

Way too old.

79...
Ugh, who else even is there?

Warren? Warren would do almost as well as Bernie, according to polls.

Maybe Gabbard, since she was part of the Bernie bandwagon... but her progressive credentials are murkier than Warren's.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Fri Jul 28, 2017 1:26 pm

Liriena wrote:
Steffan wrote:79...
Ugh, who else even is there?

Warren? Warren would do almost as well as Bernie, according to polls.

Maybe Gabbard, since she was part of the Bernie bandwagon... but her progressive credentials are murkier than Warren's.


Wasn't there a poll showing Warren getting beat by Trump in the general?
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Postby Salus Maior » Fri Jul 28, 2017 1:27 pm

New haven america wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Bernie will be almost 80, iirc.

Way too old.

Bernie would have been the oldest democratically elected leader in world history if he won.

Age doesn't matter.


It does if you need a leader to not have health or mental complications.
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Postby Corrian » Fri Jul 28, 2017 1:27 pm

Honestly I'd trust Bernie's health at 79 more then Trump's health at 74 (75?) next election.
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Postby New haven america » Fri Jul 28, 2017 1:27 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
New haven america wrote:They suffer but don't want to admit it, so they instead choose to share their suffering.


No suffering here friendo. Don't project so much.

See, proof^

You want to force your suffering and ideas onto us, which is rather anti-libertarian if you think about it...
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Postby New haven america » Fri Jul 28, 2017 1:28 pm

Salus Maior wrote:
New haven america wrote:Bernie would have been the oldest democratically elected leader in world history if he won.

Age doesn't matter.


It does if you need a leader to not have health or mental complications.

Well we already got that with one that's 70, so I don't think we could do any worse.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Fri Jul 28, 2017 1:28 pm

New haven america wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
No suffering here friendo. Don't project so much.

See, proof^

You want to force your suffering and ideas onto us, which is rather anti-libertarian if you think about it...


By all means, elaborate on my supposed suffering.
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Postby Steffan » Fri Jul 28, 2017 1:28 pm

Ooooo...packed news day.
North Korean missile launch was indeed an ICMB:
http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/28/politics/ ... index.html

Ok, let's be serious: does anyone expect that once NK has a reliable ICBM, that they'll actually use it?
I say "No"
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Fri Jul 28, 2017 1:30 pm

Steffan wrote:Ooooo...packed news day.
North Korean missile launch was indeed an ICMB:
http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/28/politics/ ... index.html

Ok, let's be serious: does anyone expect that once NK has a reliable ICBM, that they'll actually use it?
I say "No"


No. We have about a thousand more than them.
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Postby Salus Maior » Fri Jul 28, 2017 1:30 pm

New haven america wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:
It does if you need a leader to not have health or mental complications.

Well we already got that with one that's 70, so I don't think we could do any worse.


80 or 90 would be worse.
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Postby Corrian » Fri Jul 28, 2017 1:30 pm

Corrian wrote:Honestly I'd trust Bernie's health at 79 more then Trump's health at 74 (75?) next election.

Hell, I trusted his health more than Clinton's.

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Liriena wrote:Warren? Warren would do almost as well as Bernie, according to polls.

Maybe Gabbard, since she was part of the Bernie bandwagon... but her progressive credentials are murkier than Warren's.


Wasn't there a poll showing Warren getting beat by Trump in the general?

In like, one poll. Others showed differently. But too soon to say. Bernie is still leagues more popular than her.
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Postby Idzequitch » Fri Jul 28, 2017 1:30 pm

Hittanryan wrote:
Idzequitch wrote:One thing worth noting there though, is Iceland is small. They have less than half a million people. It's a lot easier for them to take care of their people with minimal bureaucracy, and even then, I think they'd be okay if Papa Gov't wasn't there to do everything for them.

The USA has literally 100x more people than Iceland. You get one government meddling in the affairs of 325 million people, and it's gonna be chaos. So to me, what this suggests is that governing should be the responsibility of the lowest level of government that can handle it. So when it gets to the federal government, they're only handling things that state and local government cannot, such as national defense.

And also, taxation is theft. Had to be said :P

The lower the level of government, the easier it is to fall prey to corruption. A state legislator is cheaper to buy than a federal one, and a local elected official is even cheaper than that. My hometown is small and rural. Local government is amateur hour. No one knows what the hell they're doing. Political decisions are based on whether a family member can profit off of it. For years our town supervisor was a tenth grade dropout. They've built buildings backwards. The local newspaper is a partisan rag which runs full-page attack ads on private citizens, refuses to print letters to the editor that disagree with the editor, and only ever gets one side of every story. Their biggest failure was falling for a con artist real estate developer who doesn't have any money of his own and wants to use taxpayer dollars to build second homes.

I have absolutely no faith in local government.

Meanwhile, at the federal level, if you have enough money, you can buy one guy and have power over the whole nation. This is why I have absolutely no faith in government at any level. Which is why I'm so vehemently against the idea that taxation should be looked at favorably. The government has the capacity to be a force for good that benefits its people. But then politicians get involved with all their corruption and hidden agendas, and suddenly, we've given all this power to these selfish SOB's who couldn't care less about the people they represent.

In short, you've basically outlined why I want the government to have far less power than they do and receive far less tax revenue than they currently do.
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Postby MERIZoC » Fri Jul 28, 2017 1:31 pm

Corrian wrote:
Corrian wrote:Honestly I'd trust Bernie's health at 79 more then Trump's health at 74 (75?) next election.

Hell, I trusted his health more than Clinton's.

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