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Postby Jordaxia » Fri Mar 19, 2010 8:33 pm

Mirkana wrote:I found her hatred of geth understandable. My Shepard had a shoot-on-sight policy for geth until I met LEGION. Tali's views will (hopefully) be moderated by the time of ME3. I intend to get the geth to give the quarians back their homeworld (which they probably will). Then I have both the geth and the quarians on my side for when the Reapers arrive. I should also be able to get Wrex and his krogan, and of course my devoted army of rachni.


Really? I always found the anti-geth racism repulsive, even in ME1 where they were the bad guys. OSHIT OUR CREATIONS ARE ALIVE WE HAVE TO DESTROY THEM is something monsters would do, and the Quarians got what they deserved. Not only that, but as ME2 shows, the Geth weren't even vengeful, spiteful types. After they secured their own existence, they were more than happy to not interfere with anybody, not impose their will on anybody. The Geth are the most ethical species in the galaxy, if you look at it.
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Postby KenKenpachi » Fri Mar 19, 2010 8:43 pm

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Mirkana wrote:I found her hatred of geth understandable. My Shepard had a shoot-on-sight policy for geth until I met LEGION. Tali's views will (hopefully) be moderated by the time of ME3. I intend to get the geth to give the quarians back their homeworld (which they probably will). Then I have both the geth and the quarians on my side for when the Reapers arrive. I should also be able to get Wrex and his krogan, and of course my devoted army of rachni.


Really? I always found the anti-geth racism repulsive, even in ME1 where they were the bad guys. OSHIT OUR CREATIONS ARE ALIVE WE HAVE TO DESTROY THEM is something monsters would do, and the Quarians got what they deserved. Not only that, but as ME2 shows, the Geth weren't even vengeful, spiteful types. After they secured their own existence, they were more than happy to not interfere with anybody, not impose their will on anybody. The Geth are the most ethical species in the galaxy, if you look at it.

Yeah no nevermind they attacked anyone or anything savagely that came into the system, even diplomatic missions.
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Postby Jordaxia » Fri Mar 19, 2010 8:54 pm

KenKenpachi wrote:Yeah no nevermind they attacked anyone or anything savagely that came into the system, even diplomatic missions.


When the species coming for diplomatic overtures is the same one that just tried to genocide you, you are allowed to defend your sovereignty. Would you believe the bitter Quarians really just came to 'talk'?
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Postby KenKenpachi » Fri Mar 19, 2010 9:24 pm

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KenKenpachi wrote:Yeah no nevermind they attacked anyone or anything savagely that came into the system, even diplomatic missions.


When the species coming for diplomatic overtures is the same one that just tried to genocide you, you are allowed to defend your sovereignty. Would you believe the bitter Quarians really just came to 'talk'?

Nooo the Council tried sending in help, praticularly the Assari if I remember right. (its in the books) They attack any Organics that enter the system, the only reasson Sarin didn't get his ass stomped was his buddy the ship.
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Postby Demen » Fri Mar 19, 2010 9:26 pm

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Postby Jordaxia » Fri Mar 19, 2010 9:37 pm

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KenKenpachi wrote:Yeah no nevermind they attacked anyone or anything savagely that came into the system, even diplomatic missions.


When the species coming for diplomatic overtures is the same one that just tried to genocide you, you are allowed to defend your sovereignty. Would you believe the bitter Quarians really just came to 'talk'?

Nooo the Council tried sending in help, praticularly the Assari if I remember right. (its in the books) They attack any Organics that enter the system, the only reasson Sarin didn't get his ass stomped was his buddy the ship.


I really don't accept the books as all that canonical. Given the Geths stance of strict noninterventionism and believing races should make their own destiny, outright hostility to all organics is inconsistent with their character. The geths actions in the game so far, haven't happened. Only the actions of a rebel group, the 'heretics' have been hostile. Also, given it's said in the game 'nobody has seen the Geth in 300 years' it disputes that the council have been trying to talk to them and getting shot at.
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Postby KenKenpachi » Sat Mar 20, 2010 6:35 am

Jordaxia wrote:I really don't accept the books as all that canonical. Given the Geths stance of strict noninterventionism and believing races should make their own destiny, outright hostility to all organics is inconsistent with their character. The geths actions in the game so far, haven't happened. Only the actions of a rebel group, the 'heretics' have been hostile. Also, given it's said in the game 'nobody has seen the Geth in 300 years' it disputes that the council have been trying to talk to them and getting shot at.



Why some people ignore the books in alot of things beats me :P But from what it seems there more of home bodies, you keep out, they stay in. As to 300 years, yes thats true given everyone gave up on contacting them and the Taurins posted patrol ships in the region to see when they decided to spread out which they never did.

To me the whole deal reminds me of WW2 Nazi Germany, say the Germans built the jews for slave labor (yes yes that didn't happen just sayin) then the Jews became selfaware and the germans were like OH SHIT THEY'LL KILL US ALL!!! *builds gas chambers* however the jews revolt throw Germans into the North Sea (those that live) who forever move about on German War and cargo ships, then the UK sends someone to talk trying to calm shit down, for his part he's killed and his body and ship thrown into hte north Sea for the English to find, who then go "screw this" *stays home*.
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Postby Vervaria » Sat Mar 20, 2010 11:23 am

KenKenpachi wrote:
Jordaxia wrote:I really don't accept the books as all that canonical. Given the Geths stance of strict noninterventionism and believing races should make their own destiny, outright hostility to all organics is inconsistent with their character. The geths actions in the game so far, haven't happened. Only the actions of a rebel group, the 'heretics' have been hostile. Also, given it's said in the game 'nobody has seen the Geth in 300 years' it disputes that the council have been trying to talk to them and getting shot at.



Why some people ignore the books in alot of things beats me :P But from what it seems there more of home bodies, you keep out, they stay in. As to 300 years, yes thats true given everyone gave up on contacting them and the Taurins posted patrol ships in the region to see when they decided to spread out which they never did.

To me the whole deal reminds me of WW2 Nazi Germany, say the Germans built the jews for slave labor (yes yes that didn't happen just sayin) then the Jews became selfaware and the germans were like OH SHIT THEY'LL KILL US ALL!!! *builds gas chambers* however the jews revolt throw Germans into the North Sea (those that live) who forever move about on German War and cargo ships, then the UK sends someone to talk trying to calm shit down, for his part he's killed and his body and ship thrown into hte north Sea for the English to find, who then go "screw this" *stays home*.

Well the games trump the books as canon, similar to the way the Star Wars movies trump books or video games.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Sat Mar 20, 2010 11:24 am

Non Aligned States wrote:Renegade in ME2 is more about being Dirty Harry, while Paragon is about being Picard.

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Postby Ramsetia » Sat Mar 20, 2010 11:29 am

No, no I didn't. It felt hollow, shallow, and like someone had forced bioware to aim for Halo's audience.

The first game was too simple, too. How far must I go for a truly epic and complex game!? I want to be used and abused by complexity and depth, not coddled by point-and-shoot mechanics.

And the SMG was stupid, the heavy weapons were stupid (didn't even use them on my first playthrough) I'm an IN-FIL-TRA-TOR not a soldier. I don't assault, I don't need an assault-rated shotgun or a gumpy grenade launcher with very little actual use. My imported shepard was wearing heavy armour despite the fact I didn't even unlock the medium stuff in ME1, the setting seemed to be 'dark for dark's sake' and just...gah...

I won't be getting ME3.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Sat Mar 20, 2010 11:30 am

Ramsetia wrote:No, no I didn't. It felt hollow, shallow, and like someone had forced bioware to aim for Halo's audience.

The first game was too simple, too. How far must I go for a truly epic and complex game!? I want to be used and abused by complexity and depth, not coddled by point-and-shoot mechanics.

And the SMG was stupid, the heavy weapons were stupid (didn't even use them on my first playthrough) I'm an IN-FIL-TRA-TOR not a soldier. I don't assault, I don't need an assault-rated shotgun or a gumpy grenade launcher with very little actual use. My imported shepard was wearing heavy armour despite the fact I didn't even unlock the medium stuff in ME1, the setting seemed to be 'dark for dark's sake' and just...gah...

I won't be getting ME3.

You didn't use the heavy weapons at all? The hell were you playing on? Casual?
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Postby Vervaria » Sat Mar 20, 2010 11:33 am

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Ramsetia wrote:No, no I didn't. It felt hollow, shallow, and like someone had forced bioware to aim for Halo's audience.

The first game was too simple, too. How far must I go for a truly epic and complex game!? I want to be used and abused by complexity and depth, not coddled by point-and-shoot mechanics.

And the SMG was stupid, the heavy weapons were stupid (didn't even use them on my first playthrough) I'm an IN-FIL-TRA-TOR not a soldier. I don't assault, I don't need an assault-rated shotgun or a gumpy grenade launcher with very little actual use. My imported shepard was wearing heavy armour despite the fact I didn't even unlock the medium stuff in ME1, the setting seemed to be 'dark for dark's sake' and just...gah...

I won't be getting ME3.

You didn't use the heavy weapons at all? The hell were you playing on? Casual?

The armor isn't intended to be heavy or light either as far as I'm aware, that's just the way it looks.
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Postby Ramsetia » Sat Mar 20, 2010 11:39 am

Vervaria wrote:The armor isn't intended to be heavy or light either as far as I'm aware, that's just the way it looks.

I'm aware. It still irritates me to no end. My shepard wasn't checked out in anything other than the lightest armours, so it's jarring to see her running around the normandy in heavy kit at the start of the game

Conserative Morality wrote:You didn't use the heavy weapons at all? The hell were you playing on? Casual?

'hardcore' difficulty. All it took was sniper rifles and creativity. It kinda sucks that they removed sabotage and messed with overload, though.
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Postby Cameroi » Sat Mar 20, 2010 11:54 am

nope. didn't dislike it either. i've seen artwork i like based on it. but that's about it.
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Postby Iuxtim » Sat Mar 20, 2010 12:23 pm

I liked some of the things they did, like removing the inventory and streamlining the combat. But the story seemed, weak in comparison to ME1. Still it was an enjoyable experience.

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Postby Conserative Morality » Sat Mar 20, 2010 12:25 pm

Ramsetia wrote: 'hardcore' difficulty. All it took was sniper rifles and creativity. It kinda sucks that they removed sabotage and messed with overload, though.

I have a hell of a time getting past the thing before you get Tali without any heavy weapons. Of course, I always save Kal'Reegar.
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Postby Spredronia » Sat Mar 20, 2010 12:26 pm

Haven't played it, but if I pick up an Xbox this is the first game I get.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Sat Mar 20, 2010 12:26 pm

Spredronia wrote:Haven't played it, but if I pick up an Xbox this is the first game I get.

Get it for the PC.
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Postby Ramsetia » Sat Mar 20, 2010 12:29 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Ramsetia wrote: 'hardcore' difficulty. All it took was sniper rifles and creativity. It kinda sucks that they removed sabotage and messed with overload, though.

I have a hell of a time getting past the thing before you get Tali without any heavy weapons. Of course, I always save Kal'Reegar.


So long as you take out the armature (it's not a colossus, colossi are white. And bigger.) fast enough? Kal'reegar doesn't die, you don't have to use the interrupt.
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Postby Station 12 » Sat Mar 20, 2010 12:30 pm

That depends, if he's already got the first for xbox, then it's better to be able to transfer the save.

What did you think of the Human Reaper? Personally, I think that's the Reaper's version of evolution, not their reproduction. They let organic races grow, and when one of the races manages to stop them, they start building new reapers using the race that beat them, thus making them continually stronger.
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Postby Geniasis » Sat Mar 20, 2010 12:58 pm

Jordaxia wrote:The biggest problem mass effect 2 had was that people keep thinking that male Shepard is some kind of legitimate choice. The second biggest problem is you can't get into Tali's pants with the correctly-gendered Shepard. But the best thing is that you can get into Garrus's.


That's because male Shepard is a legitimate choice.

For Renegade playthroughs, anyway.
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Postby Bobs Taco Shack » Sat Mar 20, 2010 1:08 pm

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Postby Rhodmhire » Sat Mar 20, 2010 1:17 pm

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Postby KenKenpachi » Sat Mar 20, 2010 3:58 pm

Station 12 wrote:That depends, if he's already got the first for xbox, then it's better to be able to transfer the save.

What did you think of the Human Reaper? Personally, I think that's the Reaper's version of evolution, not their reproduction. They let organic races grow, and when one of the races manages to stop them, they start building new reapers using the race that beat them, thus making them continually stronger.

Ehh I don't think that at all I think they chose them on purpose for mind game reassons to say "Oh you screwed with US, so now we'll kill you with something in your own image!

Ramsetia wrote:No, no I didn't. It felt hollow, shallow, and like someone had forced bioware to aim for Halo's audience.

The first game was too simple, too. How far must I go for a truly epic and complex game!? I want to be used and abused by complexity and depth, not coddled by point-and-shoot mechanics.

And the SMG was stupid, the heavy weapons were stupid (didn't even use them on my first playthrough) I'm an IN-FIL-TRA-TOR not a soldier. I don't assault, I don't need an assault-rated shotgun or a gumpy grenade launcher with very little actual use. My imported shepard was wearing heavy armour despite the fact I didn't even unlock the medium stuff in ME1, the setting seemed to be 'dark for dark's sake' and just...gah...

I won't be getting ME3.


Well not all of us are L33t Gamers, and 1 had too much garbage imo, it remined me of Fallout 3, which I can't stand given you have too much crap to level up, like what 15-17 skills in all? Then all the weapons prints, armor builds etc. Though I will agree two was lacking in some things. If you miss all of that though I suggest you try Shinobi or such on Insane. Then again given your post, you most likely have and loved it, versus me cursing it on normal, lulz.
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Postby The Imperial Navy » Sat Mar 20, 2010 4:01 pm

I won't hide the fact I thought Tali was hawt.

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