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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Tue Jun 20, 2017 1:33 pm

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Imperializt Russia wrote:BBC breaking alert I got earlier said "explosion at Brussels Metro, police say situation under control".

I don't believe it worked, no fatalities and maybe no injured, other than the deceased terrorist of course.

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Postby Ifreann » Tue Jun 20, 2017 1:35 pm

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
Olerand wrote:I don't believe it worked, no fatalities and maybe no injured, other than the deceased terrorist of course.

Good.

Incompetent terrorists might be my favourite kind.
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Postby Major-Tom » Tue Jun 20, 2017 1:37 pm

Ifreann wrote:
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:Good.

Incompetent terrorists might be my favourite kind.


No kidding.

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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Tue Jun 20, 2017 1:40 pm

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The Empire of Pretantia wrote:Good.

Incompetent terrorists might be my favourite kind.

They're like the real life Wile E Coyotes.
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The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Incompetent terrorists might be my favourite kind.

They're like the real life Wile E Coyotes.

"Suicide Attack Thwarted, Terrorist Falls Off Cliff."
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Postby Bill the Butcher » Tue Jun 20, 2017 2:25 pm

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
Olerand wrote:I don't believe it worked, no fatalities and maybe no injured, other than the deceased terrorist of course.

Good.


The English have lost that killer (lol get it? "killer") instinct that allowed them to build an empire.

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Postby Australian rePublic » Tue Jun 20, 2017 2:41 pm

So, I'm a little behind here:
1. Was it deliberate?
2. Was anyone injured, did anyone die?
3. What was the motive?
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Postby Fartsniffage » Tue Jun 20, 2017 2:44 pm

Australian Republic wrote:So, I'm a little behind here:
1. Was it deliberate?
2. Was anyone injured, did anyone die?
3. What was the motive?


It was deliberate.
1 dead and 9 injured. The dead chap may not have been killed by the van though.
"I want to kill all Muslims!"

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Postby Ifreann » Tue Jun 20, 2017 2:47 pm

Australian Republic wrote:So, I'm a little behind here:
1. Was it deliberate?

Yes.
2. Was anyone injured, did anyone die?

Yes and yes, though the person who died was already receiving first aid when the collision happened, so it may take some time to establish whether this attack killed him or not.
3. What was the motive?

The driver reportedly shouted that he wanted to kill all Muslims.
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Postby Australian rePublic » Tue Jun 20, 2017 2:53 pm

And yet another terrorist attack in England.

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Postby Lord of The Rings » Tue Jun 20, 2017 5:10 pm

Olerand wrote:When the Turkish border guards stop you from leaving Turkey, it does prevent you. Obviously a trickle still slip through, as they would anywhere, but for all intents and purposes, the route is closed.

Perhaps it would be a good idea if you read up on what the Turkey deal actually means, as it doesn't stop the migration flow from Turkey at all.

Olerand wrote:Haftar already has 2/3 of the country. Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and the UAE are amplifying their struggle against Qatar and its allies, like the MB government in Libya. No one knows what the future holds, who anticipated the Saudi-Emirati-whatever blockade of Qatar before it happened?
We can do our part too, I hope, France has been tacitly supporting Haftar for some time now. Hopefully we're willing to commit more solidly.

That they control a large part of land doesn't mean they actually control it. Most, if not all of the land in Libya is controlled by militia's who aligned themselves with one "government" or another. The conflict in Libya can still go on for decades if things remain the way they are.
The blockade of Qatar could have been anticipated by anyone who followed the relations between those nations. They have been on bad terms with one another for quite a long time now and it has only been escalating in the past couple of years.

Olerand wrote:Many, like the NGOs and their supporters, entertain the idea that it is possible. By helping the migrants cross borders, by hiding them from the authorities, and painting an image that is false and untrue of illegal immigrants' situation in Europe. We can make it clear that these are lies, and that is there no future for illegal immigrants on the European continent.

They still won't buy it though. People who are hopeless believe pretty much everything that suits their needs, even when their brain says that it's a bunch of bullshit.

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Postby Greater Cesnica » Tue Jun 20, 2017 5:12 pm

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Australian Republic wrote:So, I'm a little behind here:
1. Was it deliberate?
2. Was anyone injured, did anyone die?
3. What was the motive?


It was deliberate.
1 dead and 9 injured. The dead chap may not have been killed by the van though.
"I want to kill all Muslims!"

From a Muslim, very distressing news indeed. I have to say though, 5% of Muslims are made of extremist twats with nothing better to do than fuck around with other's lives.
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Postby Eastfield Lodge » Tue Jun 20, 2017 5:17 pm

Greater Cesnica wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
It was deliberate.
1 dead and 9 injured. The dead chap may not have been killed by the van though.
"I want to kill all Muslims!"

From a Muslim, very distressing news indeed. I have to say though, 5% of Muslims are made of extremist twats with nothing better to do than fuck around with other's lives.

It wasn't a Muslim that did it, it was a middle-aged white guy from Cardiff.
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Postby Olerand » Tue Jun 20, 2017 5:25 pm

Lord of The Rings wrote:
Olerand wrote:When the Turkish border guards stop you from leaving Turkey, it does prevent you. Obviously a trickle still slip through, as they would anywhere, but for all intents and purposes, the route is closed.

Perhaps it would be a good idea if you read up on what the Turkey deal actually means, as it doesn't stop the migration flow from Turkey at all.

Olerand wrote:Haftar already has 2/3 of the country. Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and the UAE are amplifying their struggle against Qatar and its allies, like the MB government in Libya. No one knows what the future holds, who anticipated the Saudi-Emirati-whatever blockade of Qatar before it happened?
We can do our part too, I hope, France has been tacitly supporting Haftar for some time now. Hopefully we're willing to commit more solidly.

That they control a large part of land doesn't mean they actually control it. Most, if not all of the land in Libya is controlled by militia's who aligned themselves with one "government" or another. The conflict in Libya can still go on for decades if things remain the way they are.
The blockade of Qatar could have been anticipated by anyone who followed the relations between those nations. They have been on bad terms with one another for quite a long time now and it has only been escalating in the past couple of years.

Olerand wrote:Many, like the NGOs and their supporters, entertain the idea that it is possible. By helping the migrants cross borders, by hiding them from the authorities, and painting an image that is false and untrue of illegal immigrants' situation in Europe. We can make it clear that these are lies, and that is there no future for illegal immigrants on the European continent.

They still won't buy it though. People who are hopeless believe pretty much everything that suits their needs, even when their brain says that it's a bunch of bullshit.

Olerand wrote:But Belgium is right next to me. I am safe there. No need to impose myself on the Polish.

Not if the French are coming after you.

The deal mandates that every migrant that arrives in Greece will be sent back, and in return, another migrant is transported legally to Europe. Thus, the migrant route is closed. The Syrian migrants being taken from Turkey have already been vetted and granted asylums status, they are no longer migrants on the migrant route. Thus, the route is closed.

No, the unaffiliated militias' control is quite clear. Bani Walid, Msallata, and others have formed their own militias and are separate from the authority of either Tripoli or Tobruk. The Tripoli government has several militia allies; but the Haftar army is the closest thing to a coalesced Libyan military that exists today, and is by far the furthest faction in Libya to being a coalition of militias. Regardless, Haftar need only win the war. Afterwards, there is no shortage of experience in the West or Haftar's Middle Eastern allies in how to set up an Arab regime.

And is that so? Then you should have told all those experts who were surprised that it was going to happen. Everyone saw the rising tensions, but no one anticipated the blockade. If you did, then that is to your credit, and perhaps you have some inside contacts in the Gulf you would like to share with all the journalists and analysts who did not see this move coming?

And that is why we must invest in their countries, and send them back home. Every migrant returned to his village is an advertisement for staying home.

If Syrians were coming after me, then I have done something. That something may qualify me for asylum in Europe. However... Something tells me that the more than 1 million migrants who came to Europe in 2015 hadn't all "done something". They probably weren't all freedom fighters in Syria. Because if they were, the Assad regime would have collapsed by now.
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Postby Katganistan » Tue Jun 20, 2017 5:29 pm

Arctica-Aleutia wrote:So now Fox says the van hit people coming out of a mosque, I think. Doesn't sound like terrorism so far, but I've barely heard anything yet.

Doesn't it? Weren't they targeted because of their religion?

If it's a terrorist attack when brown people do it,
it's a terrorist attack when white people do it.

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Postby Torrocca » Tue Jun 20, 2017 5:31 pm

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Arctica-Aleutia wrote:So now Fox says the van hit people coming out of a mosque, I think. Doesn't sound like terrorism so far, but I've barely heard anything yet.

Doesn't it? Weren't they targeted because of their religion?

If it's a terrorist attack when brown people do it,
it's a terrorist attack when white people do it.


Don't you remember, Kat? It's a mental illness when white people do it, not terrorism. Doesn't matter if the intent was to terrorize, it absolutely, positively can't be terrorism. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Postby The Shady Looking Vukmiri Delegates » Tue Jun 20, 2017 5:31 pm

I mean I can't really blame the guy. People aren't gonna pray and accept forever and someone's gonna take it into their own hands. At this point I'm just waiting for one side to jihad or Crusade.

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Postby Torrocca » Tue Jun 20, 2017 5:32 pm

The Shady Looking Vukmiri Delegates wrote:I mean I can't really blame the guy. People aren't gonna pray and accept forever and someone's gonna take it into their own hands. At this point I'm just waiting for one side to jihad or Crusade.


You can't blame this guy for killing innocent people?

Can you blame a Muslim for killing innocent people?
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The Shady Looking Vukmiri Delegates wrote:I mean I can't really blame the guy. People aren't gonna pray and accept forever and someone's gonna take it into their own hands. At this point I'm just waiting for one side to jihad or Crusade.


So murder is OK now then?
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Tue Jun 20, 2017 5:35 pm

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Greater Cesnica wrote:From a Muslim, very distressing news indeed. I have to say though, 5% of Muslims are made of extremist twats with nothing better to do than fuck around with other's lives.

It wasn't a Muslim that did it, it was a middle-aged white guy from Cardiff.

I know. His actions were a result of Islam Extremism. He took it to a whole new level though.
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Postby The Shady Looking Vukmiri Delegates » Tue Jun 20, 2017 5:36 pm

Vassenor wrote:
The Shady Looking Vukmiri Delegates wrote:I mean I can't really blame the guy. People aren't gonna pray and accept forever and someone's gonna take it into their own hands. At this point I'm just waiting for one side to jihad or Crusade.


So murder is OK now then?
Torrocca wrote:
The Shady Looking Vukmiri Delegates wrote:I mean I can't really blame the guy. People aren't gonna pray and accept forever and someone's gonna take it into their own hands. At this point I'm just waiting for one side to jihad or Crusade.


You can't blame this guy for killing innocent people?

Can you blame a Muslim for killing innocent people?


Absolutely not, I just understand his motives and his intentions and I mean, if my country was being attacked once every week by Muslim terrorists then I'd want to do something about it too. It's just the people that take it to the extreme and act in blind rage and indiscriminate killings that don't help the problem.

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Postby Torrocca » Tue Jun 20, 2017 5:37 pm

The Shady Looking Vukmiri Delegates wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
So murder is OK now then?
Torrocca wrote:
You can't blame this guy for killing innocent people?

Can you blame a Muslim for killing innocent people?


Absolutely not


Then why can't you blame him for killing innocent people?
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Postby The Shady Looking Vukmiri Delegates » Tue Jun 20, 2017 5:41 pm

Torrocca wrote:
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Absolutely not


Then why can't you blame him for killing innocent people?

Perhaps I worded that wrong. I can understand and related to his concern and motives but he simply acted out of anger instead of doing something to help solve the problem.

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Postby Torrocca » Tue Jun 20, 2017 5:42 pm

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Torrocca wrote:
Then why can't you blame him for killing innocent people?

Perhaps I worded that wrong. I can understand and related to his concern and motives but he simply acted out of anger instead of doing something to help solve the problem.


So are you or are you not blaming him for his killing of innocent people?
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Postby The Shady Looking Vukmiri Delegates » Tue Jun 20, 2017 5:44 pm

Torrocca wrote:
The Shady Looking Vukmiri Delegates wrote:Perhaps I worded that wrong. I can understand and related to his concern and motives but he simply acted out of anger instead of doing something to help solve the problem.


So are you or are you not blaming him for his killing of innocent people?

No. I simply worded it wrong.

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