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What do you think of this decision?

It doesn't go far enough
9
3%
It's great
5
2%
Their idea is good but the execution is bad
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It's too authoritarian but I understand their reasoning
36
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It's stupid and tyrannical
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Defund the UN.
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Postby The Batavia » Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:12 am

Sovaal wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:It's only Really Communism if it works. *nod*

So there are no communists?

I thought that everyone that believes in a socialist utopian state (following the laws(?) of Karl Marx) is considered a communist?
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Postby Esternial » Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:12 am

I'd vote for only to make "french fries" a thing of the past.

Screw all the other consequences. Belgium must receive reparations.

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Postby The Batavia » Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:14 am

Esternial wrote:I'd vote for only to make "french fries" a thing of the past.

Screw all the other consequences. Belgium must receive reparations.

Belgium is not a re- *Gets punched in the face by that one guy who got sick of this joke*
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Postby Luminesa » Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:15 am

Elwher wrote:And when this passes, will Hamilton be shut down for appropriating white European culture?

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Postby Imperializt Russia » Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:16 am

Luminesa wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
Doesn't exist.



Controlled by the people, not the state.



"Money" also doesn't exist.



Also wrong.




The Soviet Union never claimed to be Communist.

I point you to the party that created the Soviet Union, which was *GAAAAAAASP* Communist!

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Commun ... viet-Union

And it was founded by a Communist!

http://www.history.com/topics/vladimir-lenin

Of course, one can be open to the idea that the country strayed from pure communism as it got more powerful, but it cannot be denied that the USSR at least had Communist roots-unless you simply flat deny the existence of the Russian Communist Party.

The Communist Party was a state organ tasked with putting the country on the road to communism, a transition that may take decades or centuries.

The Soviet Union, let alone its Communist Party, never claimed to have attained communism.

This is... basic ideology, man.
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Postby Luminesa » Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:16 am

The Batavia wrote:
Esternial wrote:I'd vote for only to make "french fries" a thing of the past.

Screw all the other consequences. Belgium must receive reparations.

Belgium is not a re- *Gets punched in the face by that one guy who got sick of this joke*

"STOP SAYING IT'S NOT A REAL COUNTRY OR THEY WON'T GIVE ME MY BELGIAN WAFFLES."
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Postby Esternial » Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:17 am

The Batavia wrote:
Esternial wrote:I'd vote for only to make "french fries" a thing of the past.

Screw all the other consequences. Belgium must receive reparations.

Belgium is not a re- *Gets punched in the face by that one guy who got sick of this joke*

Join Ethel mermania in the Corner of Overdone Jokes. Now.

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Postby The Batavia » Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:17 am

Imperializt Russia wrote:
Luminesa wrote:I point you to the party that created the Soviet Union, which was *GAAAAAAASP* Communist!

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Commun ... viet-Union

And it was founded by a Communist!

http://www.history.com/topics/vladimir-lenin

Of course, one can be open to the idea that the country strayed from pure communism as it got more powerful, but it cannot be denied that the USSR at least had Communist roots-unless you simply flat deny the existence of the Russian Communist Party.

The Communist Party was a state organ tasked with putting the country on the road to communism, a transition that may take decades or centuries.

The Soviet Union, let alone its Communist Party, never claimed to have attained communism.

This is... basic ideology, man.

So they basically used "muh communism" as an excuse to be an total dictatorship?
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:17 am

The Batavia wrote:
Sovaal wrote:So there are no communists?

I thought that everyone that believes in a socialist utopian state (following the laws(?) of Karl Marx) is considered a communist?

Not that simple.

While several forms of anarchism still have many similarities to "communism", and may even use terms like "communes", they still stress that they are anarchist.
Whether this is "branding" or not is a matter for debate.
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Postby Luminesa » Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:17 am

Imperializt Russia wrote:
Luminesa wrote:I point you to the party that created the Soviet Union, which was *GAAAAAAASP* Communist!

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Commun ... viet-Union

And it was founded by a Communist!

http://www.history.com/topics/vladimir-lenin

Of course, one can be open to the idea that the country strayed from pure communism as it got more powerful, but it cannot be denied that the USSR at least had Communist roots-unless you simply flat deny the existence of the Russian Communist Party.

The Communist Party was a state organ tasked with putting the country on the road to communism, a transition that may take decades or centuries.

The Soviet Union, let alone its Communist Party, never claimed to have attained communism.

This is... basic ideology, man.

...I see what you mean. So it was a vehicle, not the destination. Lol. My apologies.
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Postby The Batavia » Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:19 am

Esternial wrote:
The Batavia wrote:Belgium is not a re- *Gets punched in the face by that one guy who got sick of this joke*

Join Ethel mermania in the Corner of Overdone Jokes. Now.

#BelgiumLivesMatter
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:20 am

The Batavia wrote:
Imperializt Russia wrote:The Communist Party was a state organ tasked with putting the country on the road to communism, a transition that may take decades or centuries.

The Soviet Union, let alone its Communist Party, never claimed to have attained communism.

This is... basic ideology, man.

So they basically used "muh communism" as an excuse to be an total dictatorship?

Yes, that's in essence what Marxist-Leninism is, what is generously termed "authoritarian socialism".

The state is reformed into an organ centrally planning the economy, industry and the people, so as to eventually form a socialist society, and then eventually be disbanded for a truly communist society.

This is one of many reasons why I am not a Marxist-Leninist.

Of course, the difference between "authoritarian socialism" and a Marxist-Leninist state held together by death squads, is a matter of faith in the benevolence of the leaders. Had Lenin himself survived? Maybe we would be in a different world.
Fuck Stalin.
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Postby Gauthier » Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:29 am

Luminesa wrote:
Gauthier wrote:Thread still masturbating to fantasies of the UN being abolished and every nation for themselves it seems. Sigh.

I'm sorry, what?

Gotta accuse other people of "masturbating to fantasies" because apparently you now consider that a bad thing. Looks like you're finally maturing, fam. :^3

Now, if you have anything actually useful to stay, you can post. If not, I suppose this tells us something else-you've turned on the Russians and you have embraced the pan-globalism of President Merkel! WE NOW HAS PROOFS. :^))))))))))))

Oh, did you get promoted to Moderator now? How nice.
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Postby Dylar » Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:32 am

Gauthier wrote:
Luminesa wrote:I'm sorry, what?

Gotta accuse other people of "masturbating to fantasies" because apparently you now consider that a bad thing. Looks like you're finally maturing, fam. :^3

Now, if you have anything actually useful to stay, you can post. If not, I suppose this tells us something else-you've turned on the Russians and you have embraced the pan-globalism of President Merkel! WE NOW HAS PROOFS. :^))))))))))))

Oh, did you get promoted to Moderator now? How nice.

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Postby Luminesa » Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:34 am

Gauthier wrote:
Luminesa wrote:I'm sorry, what?

Gotta accuse other people of "masturbating to fantasies" because apparently you now consider that a bad thing. Looks like you're finally maturing, fam. :^3

Now, if you have anything actually useful to stay, you can post. If not, I suppose this tells us something else-you've turned on the Russians and you have embraced the pan-globalism of President Merkel! WE NOW HAS PROOFS. :^))))))))))))

Oh, did you get promoted to Moderator now? How nice.

Trust me, friendo, we at the UN do not entirely care (i.e. we don't) if you cannot understand a joke. That is, because, friendo, we are also a joke, and nobody gets us. :^))))))))))))))))))
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Postby Luminesa » Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:35 am

Dylar wrote:
Gauthier wrote:Oh, did you get promoted to Moderator now? How nice.

Alright guys, no need to start a fight now...Forgive and forget is what I say!

No worries, Dy, as long as plenty of laughs are to be had, there is nothing to be worried about.
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Postby Proctopeo » Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:36 am

Luminesa wrote:
Dylar wrote:Alright guys, no need to start a fight now...Forgive and forget is what I say!

No worries, Dy, as long as plenty of laughs are to be had, there is nothing to be worried about.

Unless someone has been in a coma since before jokes were invented.

Then things might go sour.
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Postby The Batavia » Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:39 am

Imperializt Russia wrote:Fuck Stalin.

Same.
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Postby Jamzmania » Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:48 am

Imperializt Russia wrote:
Luminesa wrote:I point you to the party that created the Soviet Union, which was *GAAAAAAASP* Communist!

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Commun ... viet-Union

And it was founded by a Communist!

http://www.history.com/topics/vladimir-lenin

Of course, one can be open to the idea that the country strayed from pure communism as it got more powerful, but it cannot be denied that the USSR at least had Communist roots-unless you simply flat deny the existence of the Russian Communist Party.

The Communist Party was a state organ tasked with putting the country on the road to communism, a transition that may take decades or centuries.

The Soviet Union, let alone its Communist Party, never claimed to have attained communism.

This is... basic ideology, man.

That doesn't mean the party was not a communist party or Lenin was not a communist.
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Postby Luminesa » Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:49 am

Jamzmania wrote:
Imperializt Russia wrote:The Communist Party was a state organ tasked with putting the country on the road to communism, a transition that may take decades or centuries.

The Soviet Union, let alone its Communist Party, never claimed to have attained communism.

This is... basic ideology, man.

That doesn't mean the party was not a communist party or Lenin was not a communist.

I think he was moreso stating the role the party played, not really what it was.
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Postby Greater North American Confederacy » Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:57 am

Proctopeo wrote:You read the title right, folks: the UN is considering making "cultural appropriation" of indigenous cultural things illegal.. And an article with opposite slant for balance.

What do you think, NSG? Is this reasonable? Is it too authoritarian? Or is it just absurd?

In my personal opinion, this is 1) authoritarian and tyrannical, 2) absurd, and 3) dangerous. I do, however, think at least their heart is in their right place and this doesn't appear to be out of malice, but out of stupidity (t. Hanlon's Razor); essentially, their intentions are well, but their actions aren't.
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This whole thing is complete bull crap. How would this EVER be enforced. Yet another reason the UN is a useless bureaucracy with nothing better to do than pull this sort of nonsense out of its collective ass.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Thu Jun 22, 2017 9:59 am

Jamzmania wrote:
Imperializt Russia wrote:The Communist Party was a state organ tasked with putting the country on the road to communism, a transition that may take decades or centuries.

The Soviet Union, let alone its Communist Party, never claimed to have attained communism.

This is... basic ideology, man.

That doesn't mean the party was not a communist party or Lenin was not a communist.

This is entirely true.
But fundamentally, the Soviet Union was not a communist country nor state.

Much like how many MPs in the Labour Party in the UK claim to be "socialists" yet we blatantly don't live in a socialist society and even if they get into power, we won't then either.
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Postby Jamzmania » Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:07 am

Greater North American Confederacy wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:You read the title right, folks: the UN is considering making "cultural appropriation" of indigenous cultural things illegal.. And an article with opposite slant for balance.

What do you think, NSG? Is this reasonable? Is it too authoritarian? Or is it just absurd?

In my personal opinion, this is 1) authoritarian and tyrannical, 2) absurd, and 3) dangerous. I do, however, think at least their heart is in their right place and this doesn't appear to be out of malice, but out of stupidity (t. Hanlon's Razor); essentially, their intentions are well, but their actions aren't.
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This whole thing is complete bull crap. How would this EVER be enforced. Yet another reason the UN is a useless bureaucracy with nothing better to do than pull this sort of nonsense out of its collective ass.
:eyebrow:

Pretty much. The only thing they can do somewhat effectively is throw money in the general direction of any given problem.
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Postby Pope Joan » Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:28 am

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Postby The Batavia » Thu Jun 22, 2017 10:30 am

Pope Joan wrote:Well, there goes the rap music industry.

R.I.P.P.L.E
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