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01 As long as the CDRs exist in Cuba their will never be no real democratic changes in Cuba.
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15%
02 President Obama, Canada, and the EU European nations policies on Cuba have not worked.
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14%
03 Whoever is elected President of Cuba, the real power in Cuba will be the Castro Family.
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11%
04 Their will be real democratic government changes in Cuba under the New President elected.
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6%
05 Until American Fugitives Like New York Cop Killer Joanne Chesimad are returned to the USA
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11%
06 Until Their are Freedoms of Assembly Press and Expressions - and All Political Parties are Legalized
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13%
07 Until All Political Prisoners are Free - My post within Cuba not exile as has been practiced in the past
5
6%
08 Will enforce Tourist Ban - Means no money for Military Generals of Gaesa and Gaviota Corps
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6%
09 No Business with Businesses of Gaesa and Gaviota Corps Military Generals
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5%
10 Until Cuba schedules internationally surpervised multi political party elections.
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11%
 
Total votes : 79

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Postby Liriena » Sat Jun 17, 2017 7:07 pm

Neo Balka wrote:
Liriena wrote:Silly AiliailiA. You know quite well that the United States are and have always been the special snowflake of international cooperation and accountability. This is the same country that won't ratify the Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities 'cause "muh sovereignity".

well what is the UN going to do? Send threatening letters?

"I ain't gonna recognize the human rights of people with disabilities if you can't force me to!"

Always setting such a good example to the rest of the world.
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Postby Kanadorika » Sat Jun 17, 2017 7:08 pm

Liriena wrote:
Neo Balka wrote:well what is the UN going to do? Send threatening letters?

"I ain't gonna recognize the human rights of people with disabilities if you can't force me to!"

Always setting such a good example to the rest of the world.

Because Americans who have disabilities in the United States totally don't have human rights. They are obviously sent to concentration camps.
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Postby Neo Balka » Sat Jun 17, 2017 7:10 pm

Liriena wrote:
Neo Balka wrote:well what is the UN going to do? Send threatening letters?

"I ain't gonna recognize the human rights of people with disabilities if you can't force me to!"

Always setting such a good example to the rest of the world.


Clearly we Americans are cold and uncaring.
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Postby Liriena » Sat Jun 17, 2017 7:10 pm

Kanadorika wrote:
Liriena wrote:Silly AiliailiA. You know quite well that the United States are and have always been the special snowflake of international cooperation and accountability. This is the same country that won't ratify the Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities 'cause "muh sovereignity".

Who would have thought that a former colony and previously neutral semi-isolationist country would still be skeptical of the international community?

Y'all are literally founding members of the United Nations and its Security Council, as well as the Organization of American States and NATO. Looks more like that so-called "skepticism" is actually imperialist opportunism. ;3
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Postby Mavorpen » Sat Jun 17, 2017 7:12 pm

Liriena wrote:
Kanadorika wrote:Who would have thought that a former colony and previously neutral semi-isolationist country would still be skeptical of the international community?

Y'all are literally founding members of the United Nations and its Security Council, as well as the Organization of American States and NATO. Looks more like that so-called "skepticism" is actually imperialist opportunism. ;3

Who else is going to be the world's leading nation of virtue signaling?
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Postby Neo Balka » Sat Jun 17, 2017 7:12 pm

Liriena wrote:
Kanadorika wrote:Who would have thought that a former colony and previously neutral semi-isolationist country would still be skeptical of the international community?

Y'all are literally founding members of the United Nations and its Security Council, as well as the Organization of American States and NATO. Looks more like that so-called "skepticism" is actually imperialist opportunism. ;3


only because some Euroshit decided it'd be a good idea to declare war on us when he was already at war with Europe.

Hmm....

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Postby Conserative Morality » Sat Jun 17, 2017 7:12 pm

Liriena wrote:Y'all are literally founding members of the United Nations and its Security Council, as well as the Organization of American States and NATO. Looks more like that so-called "skepticism" is actually imperialist opportunism. ;3

No, it's internal nationalist scaremongering.

We were fine with being imperialistic opportunists when we were all gung-ho about the UN because we know how to play The Game.
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Postby Geilinor » Sat Jun 17, 2017 7:13 pm

Liriena wrote:
AiliailiA wrote:Option 10 gives me an idea though. If international supervision is the only way to ensure elections are fair, perhaps the US should allow international supervision of THEIR elections?

Silly AiliailiA. You know quite well that the United States are and have always been the special snowflake of international cooperation and accountability. This is the same country that won't ratify the Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities 'cause "muh sovereignity".

That convention is based on American law. It would have made no difference to ratify it.
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Postby AiliailiA » Sat Jun 17, 2017 7:13 pm

Liriena wrote:
AiliailiA wrote:Option 10 gives me an idea though. If international supervision is the only way to ensure elections are fair, perhaps the US should allow international supervision of THEIR elections?

Silly AiliailiA. You know quite well that the United States are and have always been the special snowflake of international cooperation and accountability. This is the same country that won't ratify the Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities 'cause "muh sovereignity".


Yet the US was an early mover on disability rights. Never mind, it's just an example and following the example too far misses the point.

I'm really criticizing the poll, not the US. International supervision of elections is never a bad thing; free elections in Cuba would be welcome to me of course: but apparently to choose even that option I have to agree with sanctions until then. Will not vote.
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Postby Liriena » Sat Jun 17, 2017 7:13 pm

Neo Balka wrote:
Liriena wrote:"I ain't gonna recognize the human rights of people with disabilities if you can't force me to!"

Always setting such a good example to the rest of the world.


Clearly we Americans are cold and uncaring.

Well, you are one of the only two countries that don't provide paid family leave by law... and the other is Papua New Guinea. That doesn't look very caring.
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Postby Liriena » Sat Jun 17, 2017 7:14 pm

Kanadorika wrote:
Liriena wrote:"I ain't gonna recognize the human rights of people with disabilities if you can't force me to!"

Always setting such a good example to the rest of the world.

Because Americans who have disabilities in the United States totally don't have human rights. They are obviously sent to concentration camps.

Who claimed as much?
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Postby Liriena » Sat Jun 17, 2017 7:15 pm

Neo Balka wrote:
Liriena wrote:Y'all are literally founding members of the United Nations and its Security Council, as well as the Organization of American States and NATO. Looks more like that so-called "skepticism" is actually imperialist opportunism. ;3


only because some Euroshit decided it'd be a good idea to declare war on us when he was already at war with Europe.

Hmm....

really activates my almonds.

Anti-white racism. Gross. Bet you're a cultural marxist too!
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Postby Geilinor » Sat Jun 17, 2017 7:15 pm

Kanadorika wrote:
Liriena wrote:"I ain't gonna recognize the human rights of people with disabilities if you can't force me to!"

Always setting such a good example to the rest of the world.

Because Americans who have disabilities in the United States totally don't have human rights. They are obviously sent to concentration camps.

I can confirm. I live in the cold, rainy concentration camp of Western Washington. :p
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Postby Liriena » Sat Jun 17, 2017 7:16 pm

AiliailiA wrote:
Liriena wrote:Silly AiliailiA. You know quite well that the United States are and have always been the special snowflake of international cooperation and accountability. This is the same country that won't ratify the Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities 'cause "muh sovereignity".


Yet the US was an early mover on disability rights. Never mind, it's just an example and following the example too far misses the point.

I'm really criticizing the poll, not the US. International supervision of elections is never a bad thing; free elections in Cuba would be welcome to me of course: but apparently to choose even that option I have to agree with sanctions until then. Will not vote.

Yeah, same here. Pretty shocking, such an unfairly restrictive poll, coming from a user who preaches so much about democracy.
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Postby Neo Balka » Sat Jun 17, 2017 7:16 pm

Liriena wrote:
Neo Balka wrote:
only because some Euroshit decided it'd be a good idea to declare war on us when he was already at war with Europe.

Hmm....

really activates my almonds.

Anti-white racism. Gross. Bet you're a cultural marxist too!


Nah, just against Eurotrash.
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Postby Liriena » Sat Jun 17, 2017 7:17 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Liriena wrote:Silly AiliailiA. You know quite well that the United States are and have always been the special snowflake of international cooperation and accountability. This is the same country that won't ratify the Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities 'cause "muh sovereignity".

That convention is based on American law. It would have made no difference to ratify it.

Huh.
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Postby Zurkerx » Sat Jun 17, 2017 7:17 pm

Well, we can't keep an embargo on the island forever. Baby steps, my friends.
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Postby Liriena » Sat Jun 17, 2017 7:19 pm

Neo Balka wrote:
Liriena wrote:Anti-white racism. Gross. Bet you're a cultural marxist too!


Nah, just against Eurotrash.

I'd make a comment about how much of Europe objectively does a lot better than the United States on several levels, but then I'd be taking this off-topic discussion a bit too far for my tastes, and I would not incur the wrath of the Mods.
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Postby Neo Balka » Sat Jun 17, 2017 7:20 pm

Zurkerx wrote:Well, we can't keep an embargo on the island forever. Baby steps, my friends.


shouldve made it into a state, that wouldve solved many problems.
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Postby Fostoria » Sat Jun 17, 2017 7:21 pm

I support the President's decision. We shouldn't be cooperating with socialist dictatorships.

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Postby Liriena » Sat Jun 17, 2017 7:23 pm

Fostoria wrote:I support the President's decision. We shouldn't be cooperating with socialist dictatorships.

But Saudi Arabia is totes okay.
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Postby Outer Sparta » Sat Jun 17, 2017 7:23 pm

Fostoria wrote:I support the President's decision. We shouldn't be cooperating with socialist dictatorships.

Is this 1962?
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Postby Outer Sparta » Sat Jun 17, 2017 7:24 pm

Neo Balka wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:Well, we can't keep an embargo on the island forever. Baby steps, my friends.


shouldve made it into a state, that wouldve solved many problems.

They would've been a slave had that happened. The South wanted Cuba but there were rumors and their plan didn't succeed.
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Postby Kanadorika » Sat Jun 17, 2017 7:27 pm

Liriena wrote:
Kanadorika wrote:Who would have thought that a former colony and previously neutral semi-isolationist country would still be skeptical of the international community?

Y'all are literally founding members of the United Nations and its Security Council, as well as the Organization of American States and NATO. Looks more like that so-called "skepticism" is actually imperialist opportunism. ;3

And have you noticed that the most nationalistic of Americans tend to be against America's involvement in the UN and NATO, as well as globalism in general?

Part of the reason Trump was elected, after all.

Political actions do not always resonate with cultural consciousness.
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Postby Liriena » Sat Jun 17, 2017 7:29 pm

Kanadorika wrote:
Liriena wrote:Y'all are literally founding members of the United Nations and its Security Council, as well as the Organization of American States and NATO. Looks more like that so-called "skepticism" is actually imperialist opportunism. ;3

And have you noticed that the most nationalistic of Americans tend to be against America's involvement in the UN and NATO, as well as globalism in general?

Part of the reason Trump was elected, after all.

Political actions do not always resonate with cultural consciousness.

A fair point.
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