[Abortion][REVISED POLL] If you had the power...

[Greater Gilead]

Why is it not just? If a woman does not want to be pregnant, then DON'T make choices that put you there. Try applying your logic to other situations, like reckless driving resulting in injury.

If you don't want cancer, don't stand in the sun or be in the presence of free radicals, it is your fault if that happens and you should have to live with your cancer! Silly you!

And because the cancer is a ball of self replicating cells growing inside you, it's a living thing, so you shouldn't be allowed to destroy it

The cancer is not a separate human being, homo sapiens. I have nothing against killing animals (like bacteria), even though they are alive, but a person is different.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

The way a woman acts and dresses, can lead to rape. If a woman dresses modestly and doesn't flirt, etc, there is no urge in the man involved.

ROFL. Thread how many shots is classic victim blaming worth here?

[Greater Gilead]

That message you are quoting was approved be a female friend of mine.

And I have a black friend that doesn't care if I rant about how niggers are actually the worst thing in the world, what's your point?

I am just trying to prove I don't hate women. Maybe I should let her argue on here, but she has the exact same beliefs.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

And I have a black friend that doesn't care if I rant about how niggers are actually the worst thing in the world, what's your point?

I am just trying to prove I don't hate women. Maybe I should let her argue on here, but she has the exact same beliefs.

So unlike every civilised legal system on the planet you and your friend believes that blatant victim blaming is a working legal defence for a sexual assault suspect?

[Omnonia]

The way a woman acts and dresses, can lead to rape. If a woman dresses modestly and doesn't flirt, etc, there is no urge in the man involved.

Oooohh-kay. I overlooked that bit.

I half wishe now I could have overlooked it forever.

I guess this fine gentleman can go on discussing his opinions without further involvement by me in this lifetime. *shudder, shy away, and shun*

[Greater Gilead]

I am just trying to prove I don't hate women. Maybe I should let her argue on here, but she has the exact same beliefs.

So unlike every civilised legal system on the planet you and your friend believes that blatant victim blaming is a working legal defence for a sexual assault suspect?

ME: If the 'victim' leads the man on by flirting, dressing scantily, then it is her fault.
FRIEND: If I entice a male, I should take the consequences, no?

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

So unlike every civilised legal system on the planet you and your friend believes that blatant victim blaming is a working legal defence for a sexual assault suspect?

ME: If the 'victim' leads the man on by flirting, dressing scantily, then it is her fault.
FRIEND: If I entice a male, I should take the consequences, no?

The responsibility for containing their animalistic urges is firmly in the court of the suspect. If this was not true then I could excuse any kind of depraved and criminal behaviour by claiming that I could not control my urges.
Try again.

[The Holy Empire of Dietmaria]

So unlike every civilised legal system on the planet you and your friend believes that blatant victim blaming is a working legal defence for a sexual assault suspect?

ME: If the 'victim' leads the man on by flirting, dressing scantily, then it is her fault.
FRIEND: If I entice a male, I should take the consequences, no?

so if i wear a big sign saying MURDER ME around my neck, despite murder being against the law, i should suffer the consequences of enticing a murderer?

[Ifreann]

Irrelevant. It does not become just to force someone to remain pregnant because they chose to have sex.

Why is it not just?

I would think it's self evident that it is unjust to force someone to suffer for nine months just because they did something entirely legal, i.e. had sex.

If a woman does not want to be pregnant, then DON'T make choices that put you there. Try applying your logic to other situations, like reckless driving resulting in injury.

When people drive recklessly and are injured, they are taken to a hospital and treated for their injuries. Unless they refuse treatment, which is their right, but obviously not a choice many people make. Depending on the exact nature of their actions they might be fined for their reckless driving, they might have penalty points applied to their license, they might lose their license, or they might be arrested and put on trial.

We certainly do not force reckless drivers to leave their injuries untreated until those injuries heal on their own. That would be akin to torture.

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Does this include rape then?

I'm going to stick my nose in the beehive, please remember I am speaking OOC, not Gileadian.

The way a woman acts and dresses, can lead to rape. If a woman dresses modestly and doesn't flirt, etc, there is no urge in the man involved.

Not only is this absolutely false, it is completely and utterly foul to blame a victim for being raped. What the actual fuck.

[Ifreann]

The way a woman acts and dresses, can lead to rape. If a woman dresses modestly and doesn't flirt, etc, there is no urge in the man involved.

ROFL. Thread how many shots is classic victim blaming worth here?

All of them.

[Greater Gilead]

ME: If the 'victim' leads the man on by flirting, dressing scantily, then it is her fault.
FRIEND: If I entice a male, I should take the consequences, no?

The responsibility for containing their animalistic urges is firmly in the court of the suspect. Try again.

Don't feed the urge by dressing scantily, flirting, etc.

If I stuck my hand, holding a piece of meat, into the tiger cage, and he took the hand as well as the meat, you would say I was stupid, and you would be correct.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

The responsibility for containing their animalistic urges is firmly in the court of the suspect. If this was not true then I could excuse any kind of depraved and criminal behaviour by claiming that I could not control my urges.
Try again.

Don't feed the urge by dressing scantily, flirting, etc.

If I stuck my hand, holding a piece of meat, into the tiger cage, and he took the hand as well as the meat, you would say I was stupid, and you would be correct.

So I can expect to field this against any and all criminal charges by stating that I had no control over what my primitive brain stem wanted?

[Washington Resistance Army]

So unlike every civilised legal system on the planet you and your friend believes that blatant victim blaming is a working legal defence for a sexual assault suspect?

ME: If the 'victim' leads the man on by flirting, dressing scantily, then it is her fault.
FRIEND: If I entice a male, I should take the consequences, no?

So what's your opinion of me punching both you and your friend in the face if I say your political positions enticed me to do so?

[The Holy Empire of Dietmaria]

The responsibility for containing their animalistic urges is firmly in the court of the suspect. Try again.

Don't feed the urge by dressing scantily, flirting, etc.

If I stuck my hand, holding a piece of meat, into the tiger cage, and he took the hand as well as the meat, you would say I was stupid, and you would be correct.

except we hold humans to a different standard to tigers, tigers have no understanding of the concept of the law or really what is right and wrong, human beings (or at least civilised ones), should have an understanding

[Greater Gilead]

Don't feed the urge by dressing scantily, flirting, etc.

If I stuck my hand, holding a piece of meat, into the tiger cage, and he took the hand as well as the meat, you would say I was stupid, and you would be correct.

So I can expect to field this against any and all criminal charges by stating that I had no control over what my primitive brain stem wanted?

The man involve is in the wrong, and needs to be punished, but the 'victim' is not without fault.(If she did anything at all to lead him on.)

[Ifreann]

The responsibility for containing their animalistic urges is firmly in the court of the suspect. Try again.

Don't feed the urge by dressing scantily, flirting, etc.

If I stuck my hand, holding a piece of meat, into the tiger cage, and he took the hand as well as the meat, you would say I was stupid, and you would be correct.

I take offence at your suggestion that I am a like a wild animal who cannot be expected to control myself around women. If that is how you feel about yourself then kindly do not generalise to me.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

So I can expect to field this against any and all criminal charges by stating that I had no control over what my primitive brain stem wanted?

The man involve is in the wrong, and needs to be punished, but the 'victim' is not without fault.(If she did anything at all to lead him on.)

Now tell me how I need my hands chopped off because I "enticed" robbers to rob me.

[Greater Gilead]

ME: If the 'victim' leads the man on by flirting, dressing scantily, then it is her fault.
FRIEND: If I entice a male, I should take the consequences, no?

So what's your opinion of me punching both you and your friend in the face if I say your political positions enticed me to do so?

While that would be illegal for you, I would not be without blame either, because I did 'poke the bear'.

[Godular]

Don't feed the urge by dressing scantily, flirting, etc.

If I stuck my hand, holding a piece of meat, into the tiger cage, and he took the hand as well as the meat, you would say I was stupid, and you would be correct.

So I can expect to field this against any and all criminal charges by stating that I had no control over what my primitive brain stem wanted?

Then killing the rapist in self-defense really IS no different than terminating a pregnancy! So now there's REALLY no leg for GG's argument to stand on!

Logic is great.

[Ifreann]

The man involve is in the wrong, and needs to be punished, but the 'victim' is not without fault.(If she did anything at all to lead him on.)

Now tell me how I need my hands chopped off because I "enticed" robbers to rob me.

It's your own fault for owning valuable things and having money.

[Salandriagado]

Not in any legal system I know of. The limit, at least in the UK, is that you must stop when the attacker ceases to be a threat.

Germany. Definitely Germany. Up to ten years in prison, if the victim of your self-defense dies from your use of unjustified and excessive force.

Seriously, are we really the only sane country in the world!?

I'm starting to feel about Germany like Churchill felt about democracy - "the worst nation in the world, except for all the others that have been founded."

Except that literally any force used in the heat of the moment out of genuine fear for your life is justified.

[Greater Gilead]

So I can expect to field this against any and all criminal charges by stating that I had no control over what my primitive brain stem wanted?

Then killing the rapist in self-defense really IS no different than terminating a pregnancy! So now there's REALLY no leg for GG's argument to stand on!

Logic is great.

Murder is murder. There is no difference. Enticing the rapist in any way, even passively (how you are dressed), puts you at fault as well as him.

[Ventlimer]

Then killing the rapist in self-defense really IS no different than terminating a pregnancy! So now there's REALLY no leg for GG's argument to stand on!

Logic is great.

Murder is murder. There is no difference. Enticing the rapist in any way, even passively (how you are dressed), puts you at fault as well as him.

Wtf is this shit?

Like seriously you are either a troll or one of the most distasteful human beings I've ever had the displeasure of meeting

[Arotania]

2. A pregnancy is the result of the woman's choices, with no exceptions.

Not even for 5 year olds?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lina_Medina

Or take the list of mothers at most 10 years old:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_y ... th_mothers

Are they all responsible for their pregnancies?
Or did they all entice their rapists by being flirtatious and dressing sexy?

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Then killing the rapist in self-defense really IS no different than terminating a pregnancy! So now there's REALLY no leg for GG's argument to stand on!

Logic is great.

Murder is murder. There is no difference. Enticing the rapist in any way, even passively (how you are dressed), puts you at fault as well as him.

Murder is only murder when the suspect is convicted of it. Before then they're as innocent as any other person. So are we going to throw out innocent unless proven guilty too?
Of course we are. *drumbeat*