[Abortion][REVISED POLL] If you had the power...

[Hurdergaryp]

You don't have a right to your body though, so clearly it isn't mayhem to surgically remove your nonessential organs for the greater good.

"Greater good" is not a legal defense, pinko.

Namecalling, eh? That is commonly frowned upon in here.

[The Parkus Empire]

Yes Parkus is right about mayhem.

They are however wrong about bodily sovereignty. Yes it is a right, unless your intent is to deny women the status of born persons.

Nope, no such right as "bodily sovereignty". It's made up, it's pretend, it's make believe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWjLjPqwtk8

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Yes Parkus is right about mayhem.

They are however wrong about bodily sovereignty. Yes it is a right, unless your intent is to deny women the status of born persons.

Nope, no such right as "bodily sovereignty". It's made up, it's pretend, it's make believe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWjLjPqwtk8

So rape is not a crime? Or is it a crime against the man and not the woman's person?

[Galloism]

Nope, no such right as "bodily sovereignty". It's made up, it's pretend, it's make believe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWjLjPqwtk8

So rape is not a crime? Or is it a crime against the man and not the woman's person?

I mean, he’s not wrong that bodily sovereignty is not a recognized right. Arguably it should be, but it isn’t. You can tell because the military can forcibly induct men into the army under penalty of law, then forcibly experiment on those draftees against their will.

In addition, it’s common practice in many places (including the west) for parents to cut up the genitals of their children for “cultural reasons”. If bodily sovereignty were a right, this wouldn’t be allowed.

[The Parkus Empire]

Nope, no such right as "bodily sovereignty". It's made up, it's pretend, it's make believe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWjLjPqwtk8

So rape is not a crime? Or is it a crime against the man and not the woman's person?

Rape is certainly a crime. That doesn't mean you are free to do whatever you want with your body

[San Lumen]

So rape is not a crime? Or is it a crime against the man and not the woman's person?

Rape is certainly a crime. That doesn't mean you are free to do whatever you want with your body

If a woman is a victim of rape should she be forced to carry the rapist child to term?

[The V O I D]

Parkus, your cherrypicking is amazing. You can't have it both ways - either everyone has every right to do what they wish, or no one does. You can't cherrypick rights.

[The Parkus Empire]

Rape is certainly a crime. That doesn't mean you are free to do whatever you want with your body

If a woman is a victim of rape should she be forced to carry the rapist child to term?

I don't really see it as her responsibility.

[The Parkus Empire]

Parkus, your cherrypicking is amazing. You can't have it both ways - either everyone has every right to do what they wish, or no one does. You can't cherrypick rights.

No one does.

[The Parkus Empire]

Nope, no such right as "bodily sovereignty". It's made up, it's pretend, it's make believe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWjLjPqwtk8

So rape is not a crime? Or is it a crime against the man and not the woman's person?

Rape is a crime and not your right.

[Gharrow]

Outlawing abortion does not constitute "unreasonable searches and seizures". Mendacious ruling which turned an extremely serious clause into a toy. The right is now following suit on that

According to the World Health Organization, outlawing abortion leads to 58,000 female deaths worldwide per year from unsafe abortions. So, laws against abortion actually kill sentient people.

If somebody is willing to go that far out of their way to kill their own child, then they deserve whatever they get.

[Godular]

Yes Parkus is right about mayhem.

They are however wrong about bodily sovereignty. Yes it is a right, unless your intent is to deny women the status of born persons.

Nope, no such right as "bodily sovereignty". It's made up, it's pretend, it's make believe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWjLjPqwtk8

I give zero fucks about a youtube link as a source. If you’re gonna use a vlog post as your defense your position is sufficiently shaky as to be condemned for unsafe conditions.

To claim that such a right is make believe is to do the same to all other rights, in which case suuuuure no such rights exist objectively... but according to the US constitution it is very much extant and integral to how our society works.

[The V O I D]

Parkus, your cherrypicking is amazing. You can't have it both ways - either everyone has every right to do what they wish, or no one does. You can't cherrypick rights.

No one does.

Then let's begin mandatory organ harvesting and regulating everyone's bodies until they're basically slaves to the state.

No? That's not okay? Then you're cherrypicking. Bodily sovereignty is one of those few absolutes where you either have the right in full or you don't get anything at all.

[The Parkus Empire]

Nope, no such right as "bodily sovereignty". It's made up, it's pretend, it's make believe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWjLjPqwtk8

I give zero fucks about a youtube link as a source. If you’re gonna use a vlog post as your defense your position is sufficiently shaky as to be condemned for unsafe conditions.

To claim that such a right is make believe is to do the same to all other rights, in which case suuuuure no such rights exist objectively... but according to the US constitution it is very much extant and integral to how our society works.

That's not a source, it's just a goofy video.

Bodily sovereignty is not enumerated as a right anywhere in the U.S. Constitution.

[The Parkus Empire]

No one does.

Then let's begin mandatory organ harvesting and regulating everyone's bodies until they're basically slaves to the state.

No? That's not okay? Then you're cherrypicking. Bodily sovereignty is one of those few absolutes where you either have the right in full or you don't get anything at all.

My state is subject to our traditional rights. When the crown tried to cross those, we took up arms in defense. Indeed in Anglo jurisprudence there are "natural" rights, I mean given by God (whom you don't believe in anyway), but "bodily sovereignty" is not one. HOWEVER. LIFE IS. Including the life of the unborn.

[New Emeline]

According to the World Health Organization, outlawing abortion leads to 58,000 female deaths worldwide per year from unsafe abortions. So, laws against abortion actually kill sentient people.

If somebody is willing to go that far out of their way to kill their own child, then they deserve whatever they get.

So if someone becomes pregnant, finds out that the fetus isn't viable and will kill them, and decides to terminate it because they already have children and obligations and responsibilities, then they deserve to die?

[Audioslavia]

If somebody is willing to go that far out of their way to kill their own child, then they deserve whatever they get.

Advocating that people deserve to die because they don't see the world the same way you see it is seen as trolling. *** This is a warning. Don't do that. ***

Cheers.

[The V O I D]

Then let's begin mandatory organ harvesting and regulating everyone's bodies until they're basically slaves to the state.

No? That's not okay? Then you're cherrypicking. Bodily sovereignty is one of those few absolutes where you either have the right in full or you don't get anything at all.

My state is subject to our traditional rights. When the crown tried to cross those, we took up arms in defense. Indeed in Anglo jurisprudence there are "natural" rights, I mean given by God (whom you don't believe in anyway), but "bodily sovereignty" is not one. HOWEVER. LIFE IS. Including the life of the unborn.

Bodily sovereignty is a "natural" right as your body is your property. You make zero sense.

You are literally born with this power to control what happens to your body. Nothing and no one can dictate otherwise.

"God" does not belong in lawbooks. Separation of Church and State, Freedom from Religion, etc. So using him as an excuse just invalidates the argument entirely.

[Godular]

I give zero fucks about a youtube link as a source. If you’re gonna use a vlog post as your defense your position is sufficiently shaky as to be condemned for unsafe conditions.

To claim that such a right is make believe is to do the same to all other rights, in which case suuuuure no such rights exist objectively... but according to the US constitution it is very much extant and integral to how our society works.

That's not a source, it's just a goofy video.

Bodily sovereignty is not enumerated as a right anywhere in the U.S. Constitution.

It doesn’t have to be strictly and specifically stated. It is COVERED. by the 14th amendment saying the government can’t fuck with a person’s property without due process of law. It is not possible to have something more fundamentally ‘your property’ than your own body.

[The Parkus Empire]

My state is subject to our traditional rights. When the crown tried to cross those, we took up arms in defense. Indeed in Anglo jurisprudence there are "natural" rights, I mean given by God (whom you don't believe in anyway), but "bodily sovereignty" is not one. HOWEVER. LIFE IS. Including the life of the unborn.

Bodily sovereignty is a "natural" right as your body is your property. You make zero sense.

You are literally born with this power to control what happens to your body. Nothing and no one can dictate otherwise.

"God" does not belong in lawbooks. Separation of Church and State, Freedom from Religion, etc. So using him as an excuse just invalidates the argument entirely.

If there is no God, then then are no "natural" rights.

You don't have the right to do whatever you want with your property.

[The Parkus Empire]

That's not a source, it's just a goofy video.

Bodily sovereignty is not enumerated as a right anywhere in the U.S. Constitution.

It doesn’t have to be strictly and specifically stated. It is COVERED. by the 14th amendment saying the government can’t fuck with a person’s property without due process of law. It is not possible to have something more fundamentally ‘your property’ than your own body.

Outlawing abortion is not taking away any property any more than housing codes

[Vassenor]

Bodily sovereignty is a "natural" right as your body is your property. You make zero sense.

You are literally born with this power to control what happens to your body. Nothing and no one can dictate otherwise.

"God" does not belong in lawbooks. Separation of Church and State, Freedom from Religion, etc. So using him as an excuse just invalidates the argument entirely.

If there is no God, then then are no "natural" rights.

You don't have the right to do whatever you want with your property.

I'm not following your logic.

[Godular]

Bodily sovereignty is a "natural" right as your body is your property. You make zero sense.

You are literally born with this power to control what happens to your body. Nothing and no one can dictate otherwise.

"God" does not belong in lawbooks. Separation of Church and State, Freedom from Religion, etc. So using him as an excuse just invalidates the argument entirely.

If there is no God, then then are no "natural" rights.

You don't have the right to do whatever you want with your property.

Yes actually you do, so long as it does not constitute an unjustified harm to the property of others.

[The V O I D]

Bodily sovereignty is a "natural" right as your body is your property. You make zero sense.

You are literally born with this power to control what happens to your body. Nothing and no one can dictate otherwise.

"God" does not belong in lawbooks. Separation of Church and State, Freedom from Religion, etc. So using him as an excuse just invalidates the argument entirely.

If there is no God, then then are no "natural" rights.

You don't have the right to do whatever you want with your property.

You are seriously not doing your argument any favors here. Somehow, you've managed to create this deluded paradoxical world where it either works your way or it doesn't work at all. Even when I tried using your logic, ignoring the whole "God" part, you somehow managed to twist it around.

Seriously, are you just that desperate to not be in the wrong?

[Shazbotdom]

According to the World Health Organization, outlawing abortion leads to 58,000 female deaths worldwide per year from unsafe abortions. So, laws against abortion actually kill sentient people.

If somebody is willing to go that far out of their way to kill their own child, then they deserve whatever they get.

Except for the fact that with legal abortions, the timeframe in which they happen is mainly the first trimester. In that timeframe, there is no cognitive thought pattern within the clump of cells within the woman's uterus.

I have yet to see any logical explanation why abortions should be banned in the 1st trimester that doesn't include religious reasons.