[Abortion][REVISED POLL] If you had the power...

[The V O I D]

Iowa needs to be stopped. Too bad that the pro-lifers don't care that this is a threat to Iowan women's lives, which just ends in more fetus deaths anyway. So exactly as planned.

Ftfy.

So you plan to kill off hundreds or thousands of women because they want to abort and can't get them legally, resulting in the fetus dying anyway as well as permanently making it so any potential future children they may have had willingly are never born?

Okay, then.

[Godular]

Ftfy.

So you plan to kill off hundreds or thousands of women because they want to abort and can't get them legally, resulting in the fetus dying anyway as well as permanently making it so any potential future children they may have had willingly are never born?

Okay, then.

They were agreeing with you, if I understand correctly.

[Tobleste]

Ftfy.

So you plan to kill off hundreds or thousands of women because they want to abort and can't get them legally, resulting in the fetus dying anyway as well as permanently making it so any potential future children they may have had willingly are never born?

Okay, then.

No I don't. I actually agree with you.

My sarcastic edits were just cheap shots at strict pro lifers complete lack of pragmatism and foresight (e.g. their contempt for contraception).

[Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft]

It is fairly common for women to still be unaware they are pregnant even at the six week stage, it is far too small a window to obtain an abortion if needed, far too small.

That's the point. This law isn't for the pregnant women, its to effectively stop abortions.

Except it won't do shit to the number of abortions. It'll just increase the number of unsafe abortions and women having abortions in more liberal states. (I've heard of women from Texas flying to California to have abortions)

[Mike the Progressive]

I'd abort 'em all.

Abortion shouldn't just be safe and legal, it should be done on demand at any clinic or hospital that has the facilities to do so. It's absurd that women have to drive out of their way to just get to a clinic. They should be able to go down to their local hospital and request one.

Late term abortion should be legal, as well.

I find America's position on it backwards of backwards.

[Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft]

I find America's position on it backwards of backwards.

By America's position, do you mean Roe v. Wade or Republican views on abortion?

[Mike the Progressive]

I find America's position on it backwards of backwards.

By America's position, do you mean Roe v. Wade or Republican views on abortion?

Why would i be referring to roe v wade as backwards if i just made a huge pro choice statement right before it.

[Pilarcraft]

By America's position, do you mean Roe v. Wade or Republican views on abortion?

Why would i be referring to roe v wade as backwards if i just made a huge pro choice statement right before it.

Because Legally speaking, that's America's position on Abortion. Republicans still thinking we're in the stone age doesn't change the law.

[Mike the Progressive]

Why would i be referring to roe v wade as backwards if i just made a huge pro choice statement right before it.

Because Legally speaking, that's America's position on Abortion. Republicans still thinking we're in the stone age doesn't change the law.

I’m saying is: why would i think roe is backwards if the statements before it said I think abortions should be available on demand at any (and all) medical facility?

The only extent roe would be backwards is subsequent rulings, but he didn’t ask if I thought those were backwards just if I thought roe was backwards.

[The New California Republic]

I'd abort 'em all.

Abortion shouldn't just be safe and legal, it should be done on demand at any clinic or hospital that has the facilities to do so. It's absurd that women have to drive out of their way to just get to a clinic. They should be able to go down to their local hospital and request one.

Late term abortion should be legal, as well.

I find America's position on it backwards of backwards.

Abortions in the UK are free on the NHS. Most abortions in England, Wales and Scotland are carried out before 24 weeks of pregnancy, and after 24 weeks in certain circumstances.

The time period from initial inquiry to procedure is under 2 weeks. Women going to the NHS have a choice of medical abortion or surgical abortion, the former involves medication being taken to induce miscarriage, or the latter is surgical procedure to remove the pregnancy.

[Crylante]

Abortions should be provided legally and safely by a nation's healthcare program. While it's not ideal, there are too many scenarios in which an abortion may be required which aren't all allowed by an "illegal with exceptions" law.

In the UK the law is currently that in the first 28 weeks it is legal if a doctor gives approval; I think in general this is an acceptable law, as it allows flexibility in dealing with cases.

[The V O I D]

Abortions should be provided legally and safely by a nation's healthcare program. While it's not ideal, there are too many scenarios in which an abortion may be required which aren't all allowed by an "illegal with exceptions" law.

In the UK the law is currently that in the first 28 weeks it is legal if a doctor gives approval; I think in general this is an acceptable law, as it allows flexibility in dealing with cases.

That UK law could stand to do better by removing the need for doctoral approval. Bodily sovereignty should never be impeded, even by doctors.

[The New California Republic]

Abortions should be provided legally and safely by a nation's healthcare program. While it's not ideal, there are too many scenarios in which an abortion may be required which aren't all allowed by an "illegal with exceptions" law.

In the UK the law is currently that in the first 28 weeks it is legal if a doctor gives approval; I think in general this is an acceptable law, as it allows flexibility in dealing with cases.

That UK law could stand to do better by removing the need for doctoral approval. Bodily sovereignty should never be impeded, even by doctors.

Probably, but at least it is a damn sight better than the current situation in Ireland and elsewhere.

[The Parkus Empire]

Outlawing abortion does not constitute "unreasonable searches and seizures". Mendacious ruling which turned an extremely serious clause into a toy. The right is now following suit on that

[Washington Resistance Army]

By America's position, do you mean Roe v. Wade or Republican views on abortion?

Why would i be referring to roe v wade as backwards if i just made a huge pro choice statement right before it.

Because you can be pro-choice but anti Roe v Wade.

[The V O I D]

Outlawing abortion does not constitute "unreasonable searches and seizures". Mendacious ruling which turned an extremely serious clause into a toy. The right is now following suit on that

It does constitute a violation of liberty, and it denies equal protection under the law towards women due to their bodily sovereignty being violated.

[Ifreann]

Abortions should be provided legally and safely by a nation's healthcare program. While it's not ideal, there are too many scenarios in which an abortion may be required which aren't all allowed by an "illegal with exceptions" law.

In the UK the law is currently that in the first 28 weeks it is legal if a doctor gives approval; I think in general this is an acceptable law, as it allows flexibility in dealing with cases.

Meanwhile in Ireland, the people trying to keep the constitutional prohibition of abortion insist that the UK's laws are so permissive that 1 in every 5 babies conceived are aborted.

[Vassenor]

Abortions should be provided legally and safely by a nation's healthcare program. While it's not ideal, there are too many scenarios in which an abortion may be required which aren't all allowed by an "illegal with exceptions" law.

In the UK the law is currently that in the first 28 weeks it is legal if a doctor gives approval; I think in general this is an acceptable law, as it allows flexibility in dealing with cases.

Meanwhile in Ireland, the people trying to keep the constitutional prohibition of abortion insist that the UK's laws are so permissive that 1 in every 5 babies conceived are aborted.

Have they actually provided data to support that assertion or have they gone full on "facts and evidence are oppression, listen and believe"?

[Mike the Progressive]

Why would i be referring to roe v wade as backwards if i just made a huge pro choice statement right before it.

Because you can be pro-choice but anti Roe v Wade.

I guess you could be, but uh why?

[The Free Joy State]

Meanwhile in Ireland, the people trying to keep the constitutional prohibition of abortion insist that the UK's laws are so permissive that 1 in every 5 babies conceived are aborted.

Have they actually provided data to support that assertion or have they gone full on "facts and evidence are oppression, listen and believe"?

What do you think?

They claim to have used maths but the figures do not take into account naturally occurring miscarriage (about one in six, though the NHS doesn't keep figures), or the number of women travelling from Ireland to have safe abortion (about eleven each day). It takes into account recorded pregnancies, vs. live births, and that's it.

In 2016, England and Wales had an abortion rate of 16.0 per 100,000 women across all ages (which has remained pretty static since 2012, and has actually dropped since 2007 when it was 17.9).
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u ... s_2016.pdf

[The Alma Mater]

Have they actually provided data to support that assertion or have they gone full on "facts and evidence are oppression, listen and believe"?

What do you think?

They claim to have used maths but the figures do not take into account naturally occurring miscarriage (about one in six, though the NHS doesn't keep figures)

I thought that was about 50% ?

[The Free Joy State]

What do you think?

They claim to have used maths but the figures do not take into account naturally occurring miscarriage (about one in six, though the NHS doesn't keep figures)

I thought that was about 50% ?

Well, the NHS averages miscarriage at 1 in 6, with a figure of 1 in 10 for women under 30 and increasing until there is a figure of 50% for women over 45.

But these are averages.

[The Alma Mater]

I thought that was about 50% ?

Well, the NHS averages miscarriage at 1 in 6, with a figure of 1 in 10 for women under 30 and increasing until there is a figure of 50% for women over 45.

But these are averages.

And do not seem to take fertilised eggs that never implant into account.
So probably closer to 70%.

[The Free Joy State]

Well, the NHS averages miscarriage at 1 in 6, with a figure of 1 in 10 for women under 30 and increasing until there is a figure of 50% for women over 45.

But these are averages.

And do not seem to take fertilised eggs that never implant into account.
So probably closer to 70%.

That's true. It only takes confirmed pregnancies into account.

There's no reliable records of miscarriages anywhere.

Which is why this often banded about number by pro-lifers is so useless.

[Gospel Power]

Illegal with exceptions like rape