[Abortion][REVISED POLL] If you had the power...

[Godular]

I would indeed, though I have the distinct impression that your signature gives substantial clues.

I got my views from an uncomfortable conversation with my dad. I asked him what Planned Parenthood does since I had no idea that it was an abortion clinic. Then after he answered that, I asked him what an abortion was, where he gave me the scientific definition, then branched out about how the fetus is a unique individual. After that, I asked about the Church's views on it, and he said something along the lines of "The Church teaches that abortion is murder, and as such abortion is a sin."

So that's what he says the church thinks. What do you think?

[Greater Gilead]

It's been stated repeatedly that that is the case in a TINY number of abortions, that most are done in the first trimester. Why keep beating that horse -- it's dead and gone on to the big Alpo can in the sky.

Yeah, the UN is trying to pass a measure that claims it's a human right to have an abortion if you don't want to be pregnant, so -- you're not up on what's actually universal on this right.

Exactly.

Six hundredth verse, same as the first.

BIRTH CONTROL CAN FAIL. That's no one's fault.

Rape is the woman's fault?
Good to hear.

Actually yes he thinks rape is the woman's fault.

No, you are wrong. Rape is 95% or more on the man, but when a woman entices him, well, she's not innocent either.

[Genivaria]

Actually yes he thinks rape is the woman's fault.

No, you are wrong. Rape is 95% or more on the man, but when a woman entices him, well, she's not innocent either.

Every post you make just makes you look worse.

[Alvecia]

Actually yes he thinks rape is the woman's fault.

No, you are wrong. Rape is 95% or more on the man, but when a woman entices him, well, she's not innocent either.

Sure she is. A lack of self control isn't the fault of the temptation.

[Greater Gilead]

No, you are wrong. Rape is 95% or more on the man, but when a woman entices him, well, she's not innocent either.

Every post you make just makes you look worse.

In your own opinion.
NOTE: I'm not a troll, and if anyone tries starting a flame war again, I'll just ignore you.

[Greater Gilead]

No, you are wrong. Rape is 95% or more on the man, but when a woman entices him, well, she's not innocent either.

Sure she is. A lack of self control isn't the fault of the temptation.

Oh? Who's more likely to get drunk, the guy with the temptation (booze) right in front of him, or the guy that it's hidden from?

[Alvecia]

Sure she is. A lack of self control isn't the fault of the temptation.

Oh? Who's more likely to get drunk, the guy with the temptation (booze) right in front of him, or the guy that it's hidden from?

It doesn't matter. You still wouldn't blame the booze, you'd blame the guy.

[Greater Gilead]

Oh? Who's more likely to get drunk, the guy with the temptation (booze) right in front of him, or the guy that it's hidden from?

It doesn't matter. You still wouldn't blame the booze, you'd blame the guy.

True, because the booze was not alive. However, if you 'bait' someone, and they 'take the bait', it's your fault, right?

[Alvecia]

It doesn't matter. You still wouldn't blame the booze, you'd blame the guy.

True, because the booze was not alive. However, if you 'bait' someone, and they 'take the bait', it's your fault, right?

I wouldn't say so. Not in the case of sex at any rate.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

It doesn't matter. You still wouldn't blame the booze, you'd blame the guy.

True, because the booze was not alive. However, if you 'bait' someone, and they 'take the bait', it's your fault, right?

Oh, so you're back with this disgusting circlejerk.

[Greater Gilead]

True, because the booze was not alive. However, if you 'bait' someone, and they 'take the bait', it's your fault, right?

Oh, so you're back with this disgusting circlejerk.

I'm not getting back into this flame war.
(How do you block people?)

[Greater Gilead]

True, because the booze was not alive. However, if you 'bait' someone, and they 'take the bait', it's your fault, right?

I wouldn't say so. Not in the case of sex at any rate.

So you apply different rules to very similar situations?

If someone walks into a club, lays his wallet on table, then sees a friend and goes to talk to him, and his wallet gets stolen, You would say he was stupid.
If someone walks into a club, dressed scantily, and starts flirting with men, and 'it' happens, you say it's not her fault? Logic, Please!

[Alvecia]

I wouldn't say so. Not in the case of sex at any rate.

So you apply different rules to very similar situations?

Obviously. Context is important.

If someone walks into a club, lays his wallet on table, then sees a friend and goes to talk to him, and his wallet gets stolen, You would say he was stupid.

I'd blame the thief. Shouldn't steal stuff.

If someone walks into a club, dressed scantily, and starts flirting with men, and 'it' happens, you say it's not her fault?

Sure

Logic, Please!

Their self control is not her responsibility.

[Greater Gilead]

So you apply different rules to very similar situations?

Obviously. Context is important.

If someone walks into a club, lays his wallet on table, then sees a friend and goes to talk to him, and his wallet gets stolen, You would say he was stupid.

I'd blame the thief. Shouldn't steal stuff.

If someone walks into a club, dressed scantily, and starts flirting with men, and 'it' happens, you say it's not her fault?

Logic, Please!

Their self control is not her responsibility.[/quote]
There is a thing called pushing a person past where they can control themselves.

[Alvecia]

There is a thing called pushing a person past where they can control themselves.

Which doesn't apply to harming other people. If you can be pushed past self control into harming others, that's on you, not them.

[Dylar]

Obviously. Context is important.

I'd blame the thief. Shouldn't steal stuff.

Their self control is not her responsibility.

There is a thing called pushing a person past where they can control themselves.

And I doubt that dressing in shortshorts and a tanktop while prancing around on the sidewalk is pushing a person past his self-control.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

There is a thing called pushing a person past where they can control themselves.

You consistently make it sound we're all one step away from indulging in our most animalistic, base and barbaric behaviours.

[Alvecia]

And I doubt that dressing in shortshorts and a tanktop while prancing around on the sidewalk is pushing a person past his self-control.

Also this.
If you can be pushed past your limit of self control into raping a woman then your self control is bad and you should feel bad.

[Greater Gilead]

There is a thing called pushing a person past where they can control themselves.

You consistently make it sound we're all one step away from indulging in our most animalistic, base and barbaric behaviours.

Some men are, unfortunately.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

You consistently make it sound we're all one step away from indulging in our most animalistic, base and barbaric behaviours.

Some men are, unfortunately.

We have a name for them, sexual psychopaths.

[Washington Resistance Army]

You consistently make it sound we're all one step away from indulging in our most animalistic, base and barbaric behaviours.

Some men are, unfortunately.

Which isn't the fault of the people they snap at.

[Alvecia]

You consistently make it sound we're all one step away from indulging in our most animalistic, base and barbaric behaviours.

Some men are, unfortunately.

And that's on them.

[Greater Gilead]

Some men are, unfortunately.

Which isn't the fault of the people they snap at.

If you push them past the snap point, yes it is your fault.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Which isn't the fault of the people they snap at.

If you push them past the snap point, yes it is your fault.

If I "push" a sexual psychopath past his immature snap point it's nobody's fault but his.

[Alvecia]

Which isn't the fault of the people they snap at.

If you push them past the snap point, yes it is your fault.

Nope.