[Abortion][REVISED POLL] If you had the power...

[Washington Resistance Army]

You can't walk it back. You said the 10 year old isn't innocent.

At ten they are old enough to comprehend some things, but most of the fault lies with the parents. (Of course, MOST of it is with the rapist, I'm talking about the 'victim's' part.)

You're actually slut shaming children.

[Ventlimer]

You can't walk it back. You said the 10 year old isn't innocent.

At ten they are old enough to comprehend some things, but most of the fault lies with the parents. (Of course, MOST of it is with the rapist, I'm talking about the 'victim's' part.)

Hey what if I told you that rape isn't about sex? It's about power. What if I told you that the reason women in bhurkas and bikinis get raped is that the rapist is a sick dude and not because a ten year old wore something showing off whatever it is that you think would attract a pedophile? What if your idea of how women should act is deplorable all on it's own?

Seriously, dude. Where did you cone from. A case study needs to be performed on you and your friends to understand how these views develop and how we can prevent them.

[Greater Gilead]

Unfortunately, due to evil people, this is true, but it would happen way less. (I am not saying the burka should be required, that's almost too far.)

No, it would not. It matters not one damn bit what the woman wears. As a matter of fact, the woman can initially consent to sex, and during the act withdraw that consent. The guy had then better get the hell off lickitty-damn-split or it's a stint in jail at best.

An early grave at worst, and no cop would take issue with it.

I am talking about non-consensual. Are you going to tell me next you have the same thoughts when looking at a woman in a burka as opposed to a woman in a bikini?

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Your only option was to retract that heinous statement, you chose to double down.

I am not retracting, just clarifying as I thought that most people would understand the parents role in this. The ten year old is not completely innocent. (The man is still a twisted, evil, person. I'm NOT excusing him in the least.)

If you come out of this with any other conclusion other than the fact that paedophilia is not the bloody poor kid's fault then you are defending and excusing paedophiles.

[Ventlimer]

No, it would not. It matters not one damn bit what the woman wears. As a matter of fact, the woman can initially consent to sex, and during the act withdraw that consent. The guy had then better get the hell off lickitty-damn-split or it's a stint in jail at best.

An early grave at worst, and no cop would take issue with it.

I am talking about non-consensual. Are you going to tell me next you have the same thoughts when looking at a woman in a burka as opposed to a woman in a bikini?

"Hey that's a fine piece of ass" does not translate to "I'm gonna force myself upon her and violate her body in one of the most horid ways imaginable"

[Alvecia]

No, it would not. It matters not one damn bit what the woman wears. As a matter of fact, the woman can initially consent to sex, and during the act withdraw that consent. The guy had then better get the hell off lickitty-damn-split or it's a stint in jail at best.

An early grave at worst, and no cop would take issue with it.

I am talking about non-consensual. Are you going to tell me next you have the same thoughts when looking at a woman in a burka as opposed to a woman in a bikini?

It's not about the thoughts, it's that you seem to think that men have no self control when it comes to sex.
The woman could be butt naked dancing about on his fucking lap, but if he rapes her because of that then that's still entirely all his fault.

[Godular]

No, it would not. It matters not one damn bit what the woman wears. As a matter of fact, the woman can initially consent to sex, and during the act withdraw that consent. The guy had then better get the hell off lickitty-damn-split or it's a stint in jail at best.

An early grave at worst, and no cop would take issue with it.

I am talking about non-consensual. Are you going to tell me next you have the same thoughts when looking at a woman in a burka as opposed to a woman in a bikini?

See vent's post above. Rape is not about sex, it is most often about some twisted idea of power. In this case, the fact that she is female is sufficient, but not even males are safe in that regard.

[Omnonia]

No. Absolutely not, and I'm glad that our legal system very firmly disagrees with you.

Unfortunately for you, it doesn't. Specifically, I refer you to Paragraph 33 of your criminal code.

No, I'm correct. It's expressly not justified, and a criminal offense, but incurs no punishment due to the mental state at the moment. German legalese can be horrendously daunting - you have factually committed a crime, but you cannot be declared guilty of it.

(The provision of §33 is a bit like the insanity defense in the US system - except that in this case, you won't get sent to a fornesic psychatric clinic.)

Interestingly, §33 leads to you automatically being declared an unlawful assailant. If you use potentaially lethal excessive force in self-defense, and the original attacker then kills you, he's is legally acting in self-defense, and will not be punished. His only crime is the original attack.

So, guy slaps you, you defend with lethal force in fear, guy then kills you => minor case of simple assault, likely to receive a few months on parole. His slap was an unlawful assault, but killing you was justified self defense.

[Greater Gilead]

At ten they are old enough to comprehend some things, but most of the fault lies with the parents. (Of course, MOST of it is with the rapist, I'm talking about the 'victim's' part.)

Seriously, dude. Where did you cone from. A case study needs to be performed on you and your friends to understand how these views develop and how we can prevent them.

I am from the USA. Here is where the viewscame from: https://www.biblegateway.com/versions/King-James-Version-KJV-Bible. In the USA we have freedom of religion, so don't fuss about that.

[Salandriagado]

Unfortunately for you, it doesn't. Specifically, I refer you to Paragraph 33 of your criminal code.

No, I'm correct. It's expressly not justified, and a criminal offense, but incurs no punishment due to the mental state at the moment. German legalese can be horrendously daunting - you have factually committed a crime, but you cannot be declared guilty of it.

(The provision of §33 is a bit like the insanity defense in the US system - except that in this case, you won't get sent to a fornesic psychatric clinic.)

Interestingly, §33 leads to you automatically being declared an unlawful assailant. If you use potentaially lethal excessive force in self-defense, and the original attacker then kills you, he's is legally acting in self-defense, and will not be punished. His only crime is the original attack.

That's not even remotely what Paragraph 33 says, in any way, shape or form.

So, guy slaps you, you defend with lethal force in fear, guy then kills you => minor case of simple assault, likely to receive a few months on parole. His slap was an unlawful assault, but killing you was justified self defense.

Which part of "out of genuine fear for your life" did you not understand?

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Seriously, dude. Where did you cone from. A case study needs to be performed on you and your friends to understand how these views develop and how we can prevent them.

I am from the USA. Here is where the viewscame from: https://www.biblegateway.com/versions/King-James-Version-KJV-Bible. In the USA we have freedom of religion, so don't fuss about that.

Ah yes the book wherein Lot condemns his own daughters to a bunch of thugs and rapists.

[Godular]

Seriously, dude. Where did you cone from. A case study needs to be performed on you and your friends to understand how these views develop and how we can prevent them.

I am from the USA. Here is where the viewscame from: https://www.biblegateway.com/versions/King-James-Version-KJV-Bible. In the USA we have freedom of religion, so don't fuss about that.

Then you must have the shittiest pastor in the country.

[Greater Gilead]

I am talking about non-consensual. Are you going to tell me next you have the same thoughts when looking at a woman in a burka as opposed to a woman in a bikini?

It's not about the thoughts, it's that you seem to think that men have no self control when it comes to sex.
The woman could be butt naked dancing about on his fucking lap, but if he rapes her because of that then that's still entirely all his fault.

I am a man. We have self control. But there is something called pulling someone over the edge.

[Greater Gilead]

I am from the USA. Here is where the viewscame from: https://www.biblegateway.com/versions/King-James-Version-KJV-Bible. In the USA we have freedom of religion, so don't fuss about that.

Ah yes the book wherein Lot condemns his own daughters to a bunch of thugs and rapists.

Lot had problems. Not everyone in the Bible was a good person.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

It's not about the thoughts, it's that you seem to think that men have no self control when it comes to sex.
The woman could be butt naked dancing about on his fucking lap, but if he rapes her because of that then that's still entirely all his fault.

I am a man. We have self control. But there is something called pulling someone over the edge.

Why is it so incredibly difficult for you to understand that there are no, none, nada, zero, nil excuses for the depraved behaviours you seem to covertly endorse?

[Washington Resistance Army]

Seriously, dude. Where did you cone from. A case study needs to be performed on you and your friends to understand how these views develop and how we can prevent them.

I am from the USA. Here is where the viewscame from: https://www.biblegateway.com/versions/King-James-Version-KJV-Bible. In the USA we have freedom of religion, so don't fuss about that.

We also have freedom from religion so keep your dark age nonsense to yourself.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

I am from the USA. Here is where the viewscame from: https://www.biblegateway.com/versions/King-James-Version-KJV-Bible. In the USA we have freedom of religion, so don't fuss about that.

We also have freedom from religion so keep your dark age nonsense to yourself.

Bronze age nonsense WRA. Bronze age nonsense.

[Ventlimer]

Seriously, dude. Where did you cone from. A case study needs to be performed on you and your friends to understand how these views develop and how we can prevent them.

I am from the USA. Here is where the viewscame from: https://www.biblegateway.com/versions/King-James-Version-KJV-Bible. In the USA we have freedom of religion, so don't fuss about that.

Yeah I'm from Tennessee and I grew up in a Calvinist church. They were strict, cult like, and never ever victim blamed. Using religion to justify sexism and victim blaming is not acceptable. And yes it's sexism as you're assuming that all men are susceptible to raping a girl because she's pretty and that women should cover their bodies or be blamed for being raped.

[Omnonia]

That's not even remotely what Paragraph 33 says, in any way, shape or form.

That is exactly what §33 says, and how it is used in legal practice.

Which part of "out of genuine fear for your life" did you not understand?

Fear is irrational. And it's only this irrationality that may (!) make it possible for someone using excessive force not to be punished for that crime according to §33.

Don't patronize me, kay?

[Greater Gilead]

I need to go, I have work to do.

When I came here I thought I was walking into a friendly debate (Which I am very willing to do), not jumping into the savage tiger pen it is. I am open to logic, not "because that's how it should be" with no supporting logic.

But, I'll be back.

[Salandriagado]

That's not even remotely what Paragraph 33 says, in any way, shape or form.

That is exactly what §33 says, and how it is used in legal practice.

Which part of "out of genuine fear for your life" did you not understand?

Fear is irrational. And it's only this irrationality that may (!) make it possible for someone using excessive force not to be punished for that crime according to §33.

Don't patronize me, kay?

Fear is not, in any way, irrational, if you have something to fear.

[Washington Resistance Army]

I need to go, I have work to do.

When I came here I thought I was walking into a friendly debate (Which I am very willing to do), not jumping into the savage tiger pen it is. I am open to logic, not "because that's how it should be" with no supporting logic.

But, I'll be back.

It was a pretty friendly debate until you started slut shaming kids.

[Ventlimer]

As for the self defense argument ongoing, dude is within 21 feet of me with a knife and appears to be acting in a hostile manner? I get to shoot him. Dude breaks into my house where my wife and kids are sleeping? I get to shoot him.

Welcome to America where we believe that your life, family, and property should be protected by whatever means necessary.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Wtf is this shit?

Like seriously you are either a troll or one of the most distasteful human beings I've ever had the displeasure of meeting

I am not a troll. these are my real life beliefs, and of all my friends.

Your real life beliefs are seriously fucked if they can justify raping or molesting a 10 year old because of how they dress.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

I am not a troll. these are my real life beliefs, and of all my friends.

Your real life beliefs are seriously fucked if they can justify raping or molesting a 10 year old because of how they dress.

It's probs that Leviticus section where it condemns rape victims to "holy matrimony" with their rapist.