[Abortion][REVISED POLL] If you had the power...

[UED]

I love how he uses "this is not Texas" as an argument while supporting the same bullshit that made the situation in Texas even possible.

All the states east of the mountains are freaking tiny. So the undu berdon does not hold weight.

Gr8 argument m8, r8 8/8

Seriously though this argument has no merit.

[The Grande Republic 0f Arcadia]

Eww having a state that supports things which the other 50% of the state thinks is murder. And why not?

It should be out right illegal unless the person was raped or their life is at risk with the pregnancy. Privatising it would be disastrous on so many levels.

While I do agree with your point, it would only work in a perfect world but people would cheat the system you put up, while if no one would cheat the system I would agree too many people would, so thats why I have to go with the choice option now.

[Yes Im Biop]

Here's hoping that Hic state government loses and hard, Abortion should be easily accessed and available for any who needs it, or, universal healthcare and a full funded and screened network of foster parents and also abortion easy to get and safe

[Salus Maior]

We are not saying kids are punishments. We are saying if you don't want to have them then don't have sex. There are other ways to get your sexual pleasure with out sowing your seeds to someone else.

If you don't want to be raped don't dress like a slut.
This is what you sound like.

You're building a strawman, Gen. He's clearly talking about consensual sex.

[Salus Maior]

Protection doesn't always work and you shouldn't be punished for having consenting sex.

I love how a lot of pro-lifers think that having kids should be used as a punishment. Yeah, because that's gonna help your case.

I don't think any Pro-Lifer actually believes that.

[Genivaria]

If you don't want to be raped don't dress like a slut.
This is what you sound like.

You're building a strawman, Gen. He's clearly talking about consensual sex.

That's not a strawman that's an analogy.
Action A does not = Consent to Action D.

[Salus Maior]

So to all the people saying that abortion should be illegal: Are you all willing to fund the welfare programs that said parent may require after birth?

Yes. And to the children should the parents give them up.

I'm fully in support of policies that help parents, single parents, and children.

[New haven america]

Protection doesn't always work and you shouldn't be punished for having consenting sex.

I love how a lot of pro-lifers think that having kids should be used as a punishment. Yeah, because that's gonna help your case.

I don't think any Pro-Lifer actually believes that.

A lot of them do, actually. Source: Grew up around a lot of Evangelicals.

Tell me, have you ever heard the phrase: "You shouldn't have had sex to begin with, you knew what the consequences would be and you only have yourself to blame"?

[Salus Maior]

You're building a strawman, Gen. He's clearly talking about consensual sex.

That's not a strawman that's an analogy.
Action A does not = Consent to Action D.

He was talking about consensual sex and you moved the goalposts to rape, which he didn't mention at all.

That's a little disingenuous.

[Keshiland]

That's not a strawman that's an analogy.
Action A does not = Consent to Action D.

He was talking about consensual sex and you moved the goalposts to rape, which he didn't mention at all.

That's a little disingenuous.

DUCKING THANK YOU!

[Salus Maior]

I don't think any Pro-Lifer actually believes that.

A lot of them do, actually. Source: Grew up around a lot of Evangelicals.

Tell me, have you ever heard the phrase: "You shouldn't have had sex to begin with, you knew what the consequences would be and you only have yourself to blame"?

I suppose I have. Regardless, that's not what I believe or what most serious Pro-Life advocates I know believe.

[Genivaria]

That's not a strawman that's an analogy.
Action A does not = Consent to Action D.

He was talking about consensual sex and you moved the goalposts to rape, which he didn't mention at all.

That's a little disingenuous.

It's not disingenuous at all.
It's what his logic looks like.

[New haven america]

A lot of them do, actually. Source: Grew up around a lot of Evangelicals.

Tell me, have you ever heard the phrase: "You shouldn't have had sex to begin with, you knew what the consequences would be and you only have yourself to blame"?

I suppose I have. Regardless, that's not what I believe or what most serious Pro-Life advocates I know believe.

Well, that's what most pro-lifers I know spout.

[New haven america]

That's not a strawman that's an analogy.
Action A does not = Consent to Action D.

He was talking about consensual sex and you moved the goalposts to rape, which he didn't mention at all.

That's a little disingenuous.

I'm with Gen on this one, Keshi's logic is very toxic.

[Salus Maior]

He was talking about consensual sex and you moved the goalposts to rape, which he didn't mention at all.

That's a little disingenuous.

It's not disingenuous at all.
It's what his logic looks like.

Logic: If you don't want babies, best way to not have them is to not have sex = Don't dress like a slut if you don't want to get raped.

I don't see the connection outside of making a more convenient argument for yourself in a disingenuous way. He didn't make any remarks on women, or rape culture at all, he made the actually true statement for both men and women that sex can lead to pregnancy. Dress or rape culture is irrelevant to that statement.

[Salus Maior]

He was talking about consensual sex and you moved the goalposts to rape, which he didn't mention at all.

That's a little disingenuous.

I'm with Gen on this one, Keshi's logic is very toxic.

It's toxic logic to believe in the biological phenomenon that sex can lead to pregnancy therefore you should carefully consider consequences before engaging in it?

Someone hates sex ed.

[Genivaria]

I'm with Gen on this one, Keshi's logic is very toxic.

It's toxic logic to believe in the biological phenomenon that sex can lead to pregnancy therefore you should carefully consider consequences before engaging in it?

Someone hates sex ed.

Now who's moving the goalposts?

[New haven america]

It's not disingenuous at all.
It's what his logic looks like.

Logic: If you don't want babies, best way to not have them is to not have sex = Don't dress like a slut if you don't want to get raped.

I don't see the connection outside of making a more convenient argument for yourself in a disingenuous way. He didn't make any remarks on women, or rape culture at all, he made the actually true statement for both men and women that sex can lead to pregnancy. Dress or rape culture is irrelevant to that statement.

Here's the explanation: "Don't do X if you don't want Y" is a very toxic and destructive line of thinking.

Don't have sex if you don't want kids, don't dress like a slut if you don't want to get raped, just make money if you want to stop being poor, don't be abused if you don't want to be abused, etc... all pretty much mean the same thing: It's only your fault if something you don't want happens, you only have yourself to blame, deal with the consequences. It dehumanizes others and gives the people who support this view a warped vision of life.

[Keshiland]

It's toxic logic to believe in the biological phenomenon that sex can lead to pregnancy therefore you should carefully consider consequences before engaging in it?

Someone hates sex ed.

Now who's moving the goalposts?

You never explained what was toxic so he just moved the goalpost back to where is should have been

[Vassenor]

So to all the people saying that abortion should be illegal: Are you all willing to fund the welfare programs that said parent may require after birth?

Of course not. George Carlin had a bit about this that is savage, but true. According to him, some people think the fetus is important up until the point it's actually born, then they don't want anything to do with it. Education? Health care? Food? Shelter? If it might have disabilities related to genetic factors, malnutrition during pregnancy, the mother's being physically abused during pregnancy, or substance abuse, do they want to fund programs to help them make something of their lives?

Nahhh, son. Cut that welfare shit, get them off the government teat. The only time Carlin says these folks get interested in these post-born fetuses again is when they hit 18 and there is the possibility of sending them to be maimed or killed in wars to protect financial interests of the rich in this country, or military dickwaving over who's got the biggest weapons and most power to abuse.

Yup, there's a reason why "pro-life" is a misnomer and should really be "pro-birth" instead. Once the baby slithers out it's nothing but a parasite on society.

[Genivaria]

Now who's moving the goalposts?

You never explained what was toxic so he just moved the goalpost back to where is should have been

I don't think you know how that phrase works...

[Salus Maior]

It's toxic logic to believe in the biological phenomenon that sex can lead to pregnancy therefore you should carefully consider consequences before engaging in it?

Someone hates sex ed.

Now who's moving the goalposts?

We are not saying kids are punishments. We are saying if you don't want to have them then don't have sex. There are other ways to get your sexual pleasure with out sowing your seeds to someone else.

That is what he said and that is what I'm referencing. This is what you replied to with your strawman statement of this statement above somehow equals rape culture. Which is ridiculous and completely unrelated.

[New haven america]

I'm with Gen on this one, Keshi's logic is very toxic.

1.It's toxic logic to believe in the biological phenomenon that sex can lead to pregnancy therefore you should carefully consider consequences before engaging in it?

2. Someone hates sex ed.

1. Oh how ironic of you
2. I actually like sex ed and sex/sexuality in general, they're quite fascinating subjects. However, since you brought is up, do you want to know what the worst type of sex ed is? I shouldn't have to tell you since you seem oh so knowledgeable on the subject, but I'll tell you anyway, it's abstinence only.

[Genivaria]

Now who's moving the goalposts?

We are not saying kids are punishments. We are saying if you don't want to have them then don't have sex. There are other ways to get your sexual pleasure with out sowing your seeds to someone else.

That is what he said and that is what I'm referencing. This is what you replied to with your strawman statement of this statement above somehow equals rape culture. Which is ridiculous and completely unrelated.

K so clearly you don't know what a strawman is.

[Genivaria]

1.It's toxic logic to believe in the biological phenomenon that sex can lead to pregnancy therefore you should carefully consider consequences before engaging in it?

2. Someone hates sex ed.

1. Oh how ironic of you
2. I actually like sex ed and sex/sexuality in general, they're quite fascinating subjects. However, since you brought is up, do you want to know what the worst type of sex ed is? I should've have to tell you since you seem oh so knowledgeable on the subject, but I'll tell you anyway, it's abstinence only.

Take your facts elsewhere.!