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[Abortion][REVISED POLL] If you had the power...

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If you had the power to address the controversy over abortion rights, how would you do it?

1. Leave as is
90
5%
2. Illegal across the board
166
8%
3. Illegal with exceptions
301
15%
4. Enact measures to reduce the number of unwanted pregnancies / the burden of pregnancy and parenthood, but not make it illegal because emergencies happen
733
37%
5. Enact measures to reduce the number of unwanted pregnancies / the burden of pregnancy and parenthood, AND make it illegal across the board
85
4%
6. Enact measures to reduce the number of unwanted pregnancies / the burden of pregnancy and parenthood, AND make it illegal with exceptions
277
14%
7. Reduce/remove any existing restrictions on abortion and cut entitlements
218
11%
8. Institute compulsory population control measures
90
5%
 
Total votes : 1960

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[Abortion][REVISED POLL] If you had the power...

Postby Godular » Thu Jun 15, 2017 9:00 pm

POLL HAS BEEN REVISED. PREVIOUS POLL RESULTS LISTED BELOW.

Previous Poll wrote:1. Leave As Is: 108 votes (11%)
2. Illegal without exception: 65 votes (7%)
3. Illegal with exceptions: 147 votes (15%)
4. Enact Healthcare/Welfare reforms and keep legal: 454 votes (46%)
5. Enact Healthcare/Welfare reforms and Ban without exception: 42 votes (4%)
6. Enact Healthcare/Welfare reforms and Ban with exceptions: 165 votes (17%)


Imagine the following scenario: You are in a position to decide how to address the issue of abortion in America. What options, based upon your own views of morality/logic/etc would you take?

Would you leave it as the law currently stands, with women being (ostensibly) able to get an abortion on a elective basis?

Would you make it illegal, across the board or with some degree of exceptions?

Would you implement policies geared towards reducing the probability of unwanted pregnancies and the burden of unplanned pregnancies that would render the probability of somebody getting an abortion somewhere close to zero (but never exactly zero)? Would you STILL make it illegal if so?



Keep in mind, actions may still have consequences further down the line. You would be addressing it, not necessarily resolving it.
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So hey. I know it's been a relative lull in overall abortion-related threads (that short thing about the Texas law requiring fetal funerals notwithstanding), but I had a surprisingly engaging discussion on the subject with one of my coworkers on the subject and came to something of a quandary.

The fellow I was speaking with was of a rather devout disposition, but through our rather lengthy discussion it seemed to result in him saying "I see your points, and they are all good ones, but it's still murder." I even laid out a way that he could get his wish for all practical purposes (free contraception, relevant training, pregnancy related health care, and even threw in the notion that such things would pay for themselves, so no burden would be extended to the public at large) and just shrugged when I commented on the lack of compromise in saying 'yeah, that all sounds great, but I'll still make it illegal!' It had a small diversion in which he said if his own daughter were to get pregnant, he'd make damn sure she carried the pregnancy to term. I asked if that would still hold true if she were older than 18 and was determined to do so, and it essentially boiled down to him not having a problem with keeping her in a cage until she went into labor.

I find such a thing to be... abhorrent. Unspeakably so. How can such a thing be justified in any faith, WHILE the same person agrees with the idea of equal treatment before the law and the idea that no person should be able to use another person's body against their will (I bring those up while trying to establish a common basis and whatnot).

I find myself at something of a loss. But it also made me curious about how the community at large would choose to address the issue had they the power to address the issue. Maybe some folks can explain that impressive example cognitive dissonance I experienced this day.

If it isn't already apparent per my explanation: I'd implement policies that could reduce unwanted pregnancies and assist those experiencing unplanned pregnancies to reduce whatever medical or financial burdens they might already experience, while keeping it legal because one never can tell.

So, big question in the poll, and lemme know what ya think.
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Postby The Widening Gyre » Thu Jun 15, 2017 9:24 pm

I'd keep things the way they have been here in Canada since the late 80's - no restrictions on abortion whatsoever. And with universal healthcare and properly funded sex ed to cover costs and promote healthy sexual activity, as has also been the case for a while.
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Postby Godular » Thu Jun 15, 2017 9:26 pm

The Widening Gyre wrote:I'd keep things the way they have been here in Canada since the late 80's - no restrictions on abortion whatsoever. And with universal healthcare and properly funded sex ed to cover costs and promote healthy sexual activity, as has also been the case for a while.


Edited: BAH NINJA EDITED...

Do y'all have free contraceptives?
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Postby The Widening Gyre » Thu Jun 15, 2017 9:29 pm

Godular wrote:
The Widening Gyre wrote:I'd keep things the way they have been here in Canada since the late 80's - no restrictions on abortion whatsoever. And with universal healthcare and properly funded sex ed to cover costs and promote healthy sexual activity, as has also been the case for a while.


Edited: BAH NINJA EDITED...

Do y'all have free contraceptives?


Birth control of various sorts (depending on each person's individual needs) I think is covered under most health plans and condoms and other equipment are given out by most local health authorities for free, in my experience anyway.
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The Widening Gyre wrote:
Godular wrote:
Edited: BAH NINJA EDITED...

Do y'all have free contraceptives?


Birth control of various sorts (depending on each person's individual needs) I think is covered under most health plans and condoms and other equipment are given out by most local health authorities for free, in my experience anyway.


Heh... durn Canuckistanis being so durn reasonable. :p
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Postby The Widening Gyre » Thu Jun 15, 2017 9:32 pm

Godular wrote:
The Widening Gyre wrote:
Birth control of various sorts (depending on each person's individual needs) I think is covered under most health plans and condoms and other equipment are given out by most local health authorities for free, in my experience anyway.


Heh... durn Canuckistanis being so durn reasonable. :p


Some of us aren't - there have been campaigns over the years by pro-life groups to put restrictions back into place but they've never been big enough or popular enough to encourage politicians poke that particular constitutional hornet's nest with a stick.
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Postby Engineerinia » Thu Jun 15, 2017 9:32 pm

Make it illigal, ur killing ppl thats murder.
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As President Supreme Dictator of the United States, I take the following action:
  • Illegalize abortion except in cases of rape, incest, or provable and grave danger to the health of the mother
  • Provide universal Pre-Kindergarten, Paid Maternity Leave, and More Expansive Child Benefit
  • Ensure free and affordable contraceptive access
  • Expand the scope and capabilities of current adoption facilities
  • Expand funding for community health centers
  • Improve the quality of sexual education programs in the United States
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Note: As a pro-life Democrat, I do believe that abortion is the murder of an innocent human. As such, I find it to be abhorrent. But, I find equally reprehensible the Republican Party's willingness to abandon the cause of life as soon as it is born.
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Postby Godular » Thu Jun 15, 2017 9:37 pm

Engineerinia wrote:Make it illigal, ur killing ppl thats murder.


People kill other people legally all the time. Is killing in self-defense murder?
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Postby United Massachusetts » Thu Jun 15, 2017 9:40 pm

Godular wrote:
Engineerinia wrote:Make it illigal, ur killing ppl thats murder.


People kill other people legally all the time. Is killing in self-defense murder?

Very rarely is abortion in self-defense. 92% of abortions are for social or economic circumstances. What makes you say a fetus is not worthy of a Right to Life?

See what I did there?
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Postby Engineerinia » Thu Jun 15, 2017 9:41 pm

Godular wrote:
Engineerinia wrote:Make it illigal, ur killing ppl thats murder.


People kill other people legally all the time. Is killing in self-defense murder?

Thats diffrent, if i run at you with a sword you better sure as heck defend yourself, you dont have any choice. However sleeping with your boyfriend is a choice.
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Postby Engineerinia » Thu Jun 15, 2017 9:41 pm

United Massachusetts wrote:
Godular wrote:
People kill other people legally all the time. Is killing in self-defense murder?

Very rarely is abortion in self-defense. 92% of abortions are for social or economic circumstances. What makes you say a fetus is not worthy of a Right to Life?

See what I did there?

This guy gets it
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Postby Xelsis » Thu Jun 15, 2017 9:43 pm

Absolutely illegal across the board. We don't make exceptions for any other killings because of inconvenience or possible economic difficulty, and it is no different here.

If you are truly so desperate to end the life of your child, Canada beckons.
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Postby Godular » Thu Jun 15, 2017 9:43 pm

United Massachusetts wrote:As President Supreme Dictator of the United States, I take the following action:
  • Illegalize abortion except in cases of rape, incest, or provable and grave danger to the health of the mother
  • Provide universal Pre-Kindergarten, Paid Maternity Leave, and More Expansive Child Benefit
  • Ensure free and affordable contraceptive access
  • Expand the scope and capabilities of current adoption facilities
  • Expand funding for community health centers
  • Improve the quality of sexual education programs in the United States
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Note: As a pro-life Democrat, I do believe that abortion is the murder of an innocent human. As such, I find it to be abhorrent. But, I find equally reprehensible the Republican Party's willingness to abandon the cause of life as soon as it is born.


See, my question in this case is that if you should happen to make it so that the probability of a woman seeking out an abortion is for all practical purposes nonexistent, would not seeking to enforce any laws against abortion in general be a waste of resources? Those caveats that are spoken of effectively render any law restricting abortion access unenforceable, so why go to the trouble of trying to muck in such a moral gray area?
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Postby Grand Byelorussia » Thu Jun 15, 2017 9:44 pm

Engineerinia wrote:
Godular wrote:
People kill other people legally all the time. Is killing in self-defense murder?

Thats diffrent, if i run at you with a sword you better sure as heck defend yourself, you dont have any choice. However sleeping with your boyfriend is a choice.


Unless it wasn't your choice...

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Postby The Widening Gyre » Thu Jun 15, 2017 9:45 pm

United Massachusetts wrote:What makes you say a fetus is not worthy of a Right to Life?


Contrariwise, what makes a fetus born of rape or incest not worthy of life? Surely as you said, murder is murder, and the manner of the life's creation doesn't invalidate that life's right to existence?
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Postby Godular » Thu Jun 15, 2017 9:47 pm

United Massachusetts wrote:
Godular wrote:
People kill other people legally all the time. Is killing in self-defense murder?

Very rarely is abortion in self-defense. 92% of abortions are for social or economic circumstances. What makes you say a fetus is not worthy of a Right to Life?

See what I did there?


My position is that no right supercedes another. Pregnancy presents an imposition upon the rights of the woman. If she consents to this, it is a wonderful thing. If she does not, on what basis have you to deny her the right to control her own body?
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Postby Engineerinia » Thu Jun 15, 2017 9:47 pm

Grand Byelorussia wrote:
Engineerinia wrote:Thats diffrent, if i run at you with a sword you better sure as heck defend yourself, you dont have any choice. However sleeping with your boyfriend is a choice.


Unless it wasn't your choice...

Still, God put that rapest in your life for a reason. And it wasnt to kill the thing.
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Postby United Massachusetts » Thu Jun 15, 2017 9:47 pm

Godular wrote:
United Massachusetts wrote:As President Supreme Dictator of the United States, I take the following action:
  • Illegalize abortion except in cases of rape, incest, or provable and grave danger to the health of the mother
  • Provide universal Pre-Kindergarten, Paid Maternity Leave, and More Expansive Child Benefit
  • Ensure free and affordable contraceptive access
  • Expand the scope and capabilities of current adoption facilities
  • Expand funding for community health centers
  • Improve the quality of sexual education programs in the United States
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Note: As a pro-life Democrat, I do believe that abortion is the murder of an innocent human. As such, I find it to be abhorrent. But, I find equally reprehensible the Republican Party's willingness to abandon the cause of life as soon as it is born.


See, my question in this case is that if you should happen to make it so that the probability of a woman seeking out an abortion is for all practical purposes nonexistent, would not seeking to enforce any laws against abortion in general be a waste of resources? Those caveats that are spoken of effectively render any law restricting abortion access unenforceable, so why go to the trouble of trying to muck in such a moral gray area?

To say that if we have measures in place to reduce abortion, that it will become non-existent is nonsense. Since 1980, over 1 billion have been aborted. The question about its legality comes down to this: Is a fetus worthy of a Right to Life? If so, then, regardless of its practicality, abortions should be illegal just as homicide is. Pray tell, then: why do you believe a fetus is not alive
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Postby Engineerinia » Thu Jun 15, 2017 9:48 pm

Godular wrote:
United Massachusetts wrote:Very rarely is abortion in self-defense. 92% of abortions are for social or economic circumstances. What makes you say a fetus is not worthy of a Right to Life?

See what I did there?


My position is that no right supercedes another. Pregnancy presents an imposition upon the rights of the woman. If she consents to this, it is a wonderful thing. If she does not, on what basis have you to deny her the right to control her own body?

Gods authority.
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Postby Xelsis » Thu Jun 15, 2017 9:48 pm

Godular wrote:
United Massachusetts wrote:Very rarely is abortion in self-defense. 92% of abortions are for social or economic circumstances. What makes you say a fetus is not worthy of a Right to Life?

See what I did there?


My position is that no right supercedes another. Pregnancy presents an imposition upon the rights of the woman. If she consents to this, it is a wonderful thing. If she does not, on what basis have you to deny her the right to control her own body?


Your post began with "No right supercedes another" and ended with "the woman's right supercedes the child's"

The issue is not telling a woman what she can do with her own body, but preventing her from destroying someone else's.
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Postby United Massachusetts » Thu Jun 15, 2017 9:49 pm

Godular wrote:
United Massachusetts wrote:Very rarely is abortion in self-defense. 92% of abortions are for social or economic circumstances. What makes you say a fetus is not worthy of a Right to Life?

See what I did there?


My position is that no right supercedes another. Pregnancy presents an imposition upon the rights of the woman. If she consents to this, it is a wonderful thing. If she does not, on what basis have you to deny her the right to control her own body?

Note the exception for rape in my platform. However, a fetus has its own genetic material, and is a living being in its own right. As such, it really isn't the "mother's body." It's an individual human who ought to be treated as such
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Postby The Widening Gyre » Thu Jun 15, 2017 9:50 pm

United Massachusetts wrote:
Godular wrote:
My position is that no right supercedes another. Pregnancy presents an imposition upon the rights of the woman. If she consents to this, it is a wonderful thing. If she does not, on what basis have you to deny her the right to control her own body?

Note the exception for rape in my platform. However, a fetus has its own genetic material, and is a living being in its own right. As such, it really isn't the "mother's body." It's an individual human who ought to be treated as such


So again, why are you giving an exception for rape and incest if you think it's murder?
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Postby Engineerinia » Thu Jun 15, 2017 9:51 pm

The Widening Gyre wrote:
United Massachusetts wrote:Note the exception for rape in my platform. However, a fetus has its own genetic material, and is a living being in its own right. As such, it really isn't the "mother's body." It's an individual human who ought to be treated as such


So again, why are you giving an exception for rape and incest if you think it's murder?

Thats my issue with his argument
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Founded: Jan 17, 2016
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Postby United Massachusetts » Thu Jun 15, 2017 9:51 pm

The Widening Gyre wrote:
United Massachusetts wrote:What makes you say a fetus is not worthy of a Right to Life?


Contrariwise, what makes a fetus born of rape or incest not worthy of life? Surely as you said, murder is murder, and the manner of the life's creation doesn't invalidate that life's right to existence?

Things like this are certainly difficult moral questions.. I add the exception because I see it as equally reprehensible to force a mother into coming to term in such circumstances from a legal standpoint. Morally, abortion is always wrong in my eyes. The question is when it should be illegal
United Massachusetts
World Assembly Mission

Pro-Life Social Democratic Catholic
Ambassador: Bishop Alexander Pierce

Deputy Outreach Minister, The Rejected Realms
Assistant: Father Carl Sullivan

President, Right to Life
Author/Co-author: 7 GA, 2 SC resolutions

Queen Yuno wrote:You have a very contradictory rep yourself, [UM].
Sanctaria wrote:We get it. You're pro-life.
Davelands wrote:(UM tries to slip another one by)
Wallenburg wrote:You've got to be the most ignorant person on this Discord.
Davelands wrote:Remember that United Mass is extremely on the religious right side. Look for hidden gotcha's for later. He is playing a long game with proposals...
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