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Postby Gauthier » Wed Jun 14, 2017 7:20 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Outer Sparta wrote:So the solution to gun violence is more guns?


On this forum, the solution to everything seems to be more guns.

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Postby Nulla Bellum » Wed Jun 14, 2017 7:25 pm

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It works for wild game animals, if you listen to hunters.


I'm not sure I'd call a person who shoots animals with increasingly larger rounds just to see what happens a hunter. A bit of a cunt, perhaps. But not a hunter.


I wouldn't call someone who leaves a wounded animal behind a "hunter" either, be it a large animal shot with a .22 or even a duck with an arrow through its neck. Hunting, however you feel about getting meat to your table, does not involve being cruel with underpowered weaponry.
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Postby Greed and Death » Wed Jun 14, 2017 7:29 pm

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Jamzmania wrote:Or because it's unnecessary, stupid, counterproductive, and possibly illegal.

So the solution to gun violence is more guns?

If guns are not solving your problem you are not using enough guns.
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Postby Randsbeik » Wed Jun 14, 2017 7:32 pm

Nulla Bellum wrote:
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I'm not sure I'd call a person who shoots animals with increasingly larger rounds just to see what happens a hunter. A bit of a cunt, perhaps. But not a hunter.


I wouldn't call someone who leaves a wounded animal behind a "hunter" either, be it a large animal shot with a .22 or even a duck with an arrow through its neck. Hunting, however you feel about getting meat to your table, does not involve being cruel with underpowered weaponry.


They're either a sadist or a really shitty hunter.
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Postby Nulla Bellum » Wed Jun 14, 2017 7:40 pm

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I wouldn't call someone who leaves a wounded animal behind a "hunter" either, be it a large animal shot with a .22 or even a duck with an arrow through its neck. Hunting, however you feel about getting meat to your table, does not involve being cruel with underpowered weaponry.


They're either a sadist or a really shitty hunter.


Aye.

I hunt deer with a 1891/32 Mosin Nagant, fires a 7.62x54mmR round, and just exactly the same way that round can pierce a quarter inch of plate steel and keep going, it is perfectly suitable for dropping a deer dead where peppering it with a shotgun blast or nicking it with small caliber rounds is just cruelty. Like going to a slaughterhouse and slaughtering a cow slowly with an angle grinder.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed Jun 14, 2017 7:48 pm

greed and death wrote:
Outer Sparta wrote:So the solution to gun violence is more guns?

If guns are not solving your problem you are not using enough guns.


It would be great exercise. Think of the great definition you would get from pointing a gun a somebody all day long?
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Postby Gallia- » Wed Jun 14, 2017 7:54 pm

Nulla Bellum wrote:
Randsbeik wrote:
They're either a sadist or a really shitty hunter.


Aye.

I hunt deer with a 1891/32 Mosin Nagant, fires a 7.62x54mmR round, and just exactly the same way that round can pierce a quarter inch of plate steel and keep going, it is perfectly suitable for dropping a deer dead where peppering it with a shotgun blast or nicking it with small caliber rounds is just cruelty. Like going to a slaughterhouse and slaughtering a cow slowly with an angle grinder.


I was mocking the common meme in hunter circles that .220 Swift, .223 Remington, and other "varmint" cartridges "aren't enough" for deer, though.

If it's good enough for P.O. Ackley it's good enough for anyone else.

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Postby Outer Sparta » Wed Jun 14, 2017 7:57 pm

greed and death wrote:
Outer Sparta wrote:So the solution to gun violence is more guns?

If guns are not solving your problem you are not using enough guns.

How many guns would we need?
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Postby Nulla Bellum » Wed Jun 14, 2017 7:59 pm

Gallia- wrote:
Nulla Bellum wrote:
Aye.

I hunt deer with a 1891/32 Mosin Nagant, fires a 7.62x54mmR round, and just exactly the same way that round can pierce a quarter inch of plate steel and keep going, it is perfectly suitable for dropping a deer dead where peppering it with a shotgun blast or nicking it with small caliber rounds is just cruelty. Like going to a slaughterhouse and slaughtering a cow slowly with an angle grinder.


I was mocking the common meme in hunter circles that .220 Swift, .223 Remington, and other "varmint" cartridges "aren't enough" for deer, though.

If it's good enough for P.O. Ackley it's good enough for anyone else.


I wouldn't hunt large game with a plinker, conversely I wouldn't go rabbit hunting with a Mosin either... if I wanted to have anything left of the rabbit to grill...
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Postby Nulla Bellum » Wed Jun 14, 2017 8:01 pm

Outer Sparta wrote:
greed and death wrote:If guns are not solving your problem you are not using enough guns.

How many guns would we need?


Less guns, more marksmen.
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Postby Greed and Death » Wed Jun 14, 2017 8:03 pm

Outer Sparta wrote:
greed and death wrote:If guns are not solving your problem you are not using enough guns.

How many guns would we need?

Employment should improve once every man woman and child has 3-5 guns.
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Postby Shonburg » Wed Jun 14, 2017 8:18 pm

Nulla Bellum wrote:
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And decidedly different hydrostatic shock profile from a .223 round. i wouldbt want to be shot with either, but beggars be choosers, I'd much rather be plinked by a .223 round than turned into soup on the inside by a 7.62x39mm round.

Proper .223 (Not shitty M855 Greentip) will turn you into soup better than a 7.62x39
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Postby Donut section » Wed Jun 14, 2017 8:26 pm

Nulla Bellum wrote:
Outer Sparta wrote:How many guns would we need?


Less guns, more marksmen.


Time to promote the name mark to more expecting mothers then.

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Postby Nulla Bellum » Wed Jun 14, 2017 8:52 pm

Shonburg wrote:
Nulla Bellum wrote:
And decidedly different hydrostatic shock profile from a .223 round. i wouldbt want to be shot with either, but beggars be choosers, I'd much rather be plinked by a .223 round than turned into soup on the inside by a 7.62x39mm round.

Proper .223 (Not shitty M855 Greentip) will turn you into soup better than a 7.62x39


Conceded, but M855 Greentip is like creamed corn, you only buy it when there's no other flavors on the shelf...
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Postby Liriena » Wed Jun 14, 2017 10:27 pm

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Postby Galloism » Wed Jun 14, 2017 10:28 pm


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Postby Liriena » Wed Jun 14, 2017 10:30 pm

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Oh good grief.

And you just know that this propaganda is going to do wonders for all those people on the right already convinced that the apparently omnipresent and omnipotent antifa are out to get them.

But it's that pesky liberal Kathy Griffin that encouraged political violence, y'all.
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Postby Napkiraly » Wed Jun 14, 2017 10:32 pm

Tbf Antifa does deserve the iron boot of the state.

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Postby Liriena » Wed Jun 14, 2017 10:35 pm

Napkiraly wrote:Tbf Antifa does deserve the iron boot of the state.

Yes, I suppose people who hate bootlicking are generally prime targets for said boot's violence. Can't have a libertarian left start getting ideas about stateless societies and challenging the state's monopoly on violence.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Jun 14, 2017 10:36 pm

Liriena wrote:
Napkiraly wrote:Tbf Antifa does deserve the iron boot of the state.

Yes, I suppose people who hate bootlicking are generally prime targets for said boot's violence. Can't have a libertarian left start getting ideas about stateless societies and challenging the state's monopoly on violence.


>libertarian
>attack people with different political views

Pick one, and only one.
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Postby Napkiraly » Wed Jun 14, 2017 10:37 pm

Liriena wrote:
Napkiraly wrote:Tbf Antifa does deserve the iron boot of the state.

Yes, I suppose people who hate bootlicking are generally prime targets for said boot's violence. Can't have a libertarian left start getting ideas about stateless societies and challenging the state's monopoly on violence.

Yes, little shits running around causing violence and mayhem do deserve to be treaded upon.

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Postby Liriena » Wed Jun 14, 2017 10:39 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Liriena wrote:Yes, I suppose people who hate bootlicking are generally prime targets for said boot's violence. Can't have a libertarian left start getting ideas about stateless societies and challenging the state's monopoly on violence.


>libertarian
>attack people with different political views

Pick one, and only one.

By that standard, the American revolution was the least libertarian thing ever.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Jun 14, 2017 10:41 pm

Liriena wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
>libertarian
>attack people with different political views

Pick one, and only one.

By that standard, the American revolution was the least libertarian thing ever.


There's a tiny bit of difference between fighting for muh freedom from the imperialists (surely something a leftist must respect) and hitting random people over the head with bike locks at free speech rallies.
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Postby Liriena » Wed Jun 14, 2017 10:44 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Liriena wrote:By that standard, the American revolution was the least libertarian thing ever.


There's a tiny bit of difference between fighting for muh freedom from the imperialists (surely something a leftist must respect) and hitting random people over the head with bike locks at free speech rallies.

Disregarding the fact that the whole "free speech rallies" thing, as far as I can tell, was more far right virtue signalling than anything else (aided by true believers with a depressingly unsurprising willingness to accept that)... yeah. And if that was the only thing all antifa everywhere ever did... but it isn't.
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