US Representative Shot

[Valrifell]

Will having more guns reduce deaths from gun violence?

Dunno, depends on lots of things. If you want to reduce gun violence you need to tackle poverty and the drug war.

That will do more to lower gun crime than any of the retarded gun control ideas people trot out.

Yet the party who exposes gun rights doesn't wanna tackle these issues and the one that doesn't wants to.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Dunno, depends on lots of things. If you want to reduce gun violence you need to tackle poverty and the drug war.

That will do more to lower gun crime than any of the retarded gun control ideas people trot out.

Yet the party who exposes gun rights doesn't wanna tackle these issues and the one that doesn't wants to.

Daily reminder that the two party system is ass.

[Uxupox]

Dunno, depends on lots of things. If you want to reduce gun violence you need to tackle poverty and the drug war.

That will do more to lower gun crime than any of the retarded gun control ideas people trot out.

Yet the party who exposes gun rights doesn't wanna tackle these issues and the one that doesn't wants to.

Both sides tend to wank on trampling each others rights.

[Outer Sparta]

Will having more guns reduce deaths from gun violence?

Dunno, depends on lots of things. If you want to reduce gun violence you need to tackle poverty and the drug war.

That will do more to lower gun crime than any of the retarded gun control ideas people trot out.

The war on drugs isn't working, but nobody seems to notice that in our government.

[Nulla Bellum]

And decidedly different hydrostatic shock profile from a .223 round. i wouldbt want to be shot with either, but beggars be choosers, I'd much rather be plinked by a .223 round than turned into soup on the inside by a 7.62x39mm round.

It wouldn't matter which one hit you there, without immediate medical attention you would be dead in 10 minutes or less

Even with immediate attention there's not much you can do for someone that has gravy for internal organs after the shockwave travels through their body liquifying everything.

[Katganistan]

Replace "twitter" with "the internet" and you pretty much have news reporting today. Oh - and throw in Fox News with that.

Only on NSG in a thread about Republicans being shot can you still find people bitching about Fox News.

Well, they did incorrectly report the shooter dead, in fairness. They really should be better about fact checking.

[Outer Sparta]

Only on NSG in a thread about Republicans being shot can you still find people bitching about Fox News.

Well, they did incorrectly report the shooter dead, in fairness. They really should be better about fact checking.

Fox News in a nutshell?

[-The German Reich-]

Good.

Down with Democracy! It starts with the Legislature! America there is a new revolution coming!

This is what happens with you Oppress the citizens who vote you in and they betray you.

[I didnt vote for Trump]

Will having more guns reduce deaths from gun violence?

Dunno, depends on lots of things. If you want to reduce gun violence you need to tackle poverty and the drug war.

That will do more to lower gun crime than any of the retarded gun control ideas people trot out.

Poverty and the drug war doesn't appear to have any relation to spree shooting and mass murder, which brings us back to the "retarded" gun control laws that seem to work rather well at stopping a mass murder every second week in virtually every other developed country on the planet.

[Gallia-]

J. Hodgkinson was an average person until he shot at some Representatives.

Not really, he had some run ins with the PD. He apparently broke into a house.

He didn't "break into" a house. It was some sort of domestic argument or something, he probably knew the people involved. What happened was he got his daughter out of the house, then he punched a neighbour in the face. 11 years ago. In 2006. So unless you're going to say that the only way he thought his daughter wouldn't fuck some guy he doesn't like is by shooting the House Republican baseball team, I don't see what point you're trying to make. I doubt that intermittent noise complaints and one incident of battery is a large risk factor for "attempted assassination".

He never sent threats or threatened anyone with violence in e-mail correspondence or on Facebook, for one, which is ostensibly a risk factor for actual violence (although I suspect that's a lie to make busywork), but he was politically active and had a "gun owner" or "Anglo-Saxon" mentality. The same sort of mentality that was noted by H.L. Mencken in 1923.

"The normal American of the 'pure-blooded' majority goes to rest every night with an uneasy feeling that there is a burglar under the bed, and he gets up every morning with a sickening fear that his underwear has been stolen. . . . "

https://www.chicagoreader.com/Bleader/a ... n-american

Unfortunately it's not very easy to externally observe how helpless, powerless, or pathetic someone feels, but it may be more important for law enforcement to pay attention to politically active and engaged gun owners. Doubly unfortunately, that seems to be an impossible task given the sheer number of politically active gun owners.

TBH, the only thing that seems to separate Mr. Hodgkinson from the average American gun owner (or, really, the average American) is that he tried to shoot some Congressmen. Attempting to tie it to some specific, "unique" event as being the bulletproof variable that links the ordinary, working class Hodgkinson with the violent, sniper Hodgkinson is a fool's errand.

[Corrian]

I can confirm all of the new regulations that you guys come up with haven't reduced gun violence here.

Will having more guns reduce deaths from gun violence?

You guys already lost this "We need to throw endless regulations on guns" battle, so no. Good luck with that if you want to ever win again.

[Katganistan]

Not much else to say really until more info comes out

Ha, like that'll matter





Oddly, the President is now saying the shooter is dead, despite what media are reporting. Is this just Trump being full of it again?

You know his source for all news is FOX and Twitter -- where it was reported erroneously that the shooter was dead.

[Rhineland Sued]

Good.

Down with Democracy! It starts with the Legislature! America there is a new revolution coming!

This is what happens with you Oppress the citizens who vote you in and they betray you.

Oh my God (If I had one!)

This is the most nonsense I've heard by a person in a single day!

[Corrian]

we should ban guns from Democrats

problem solved

They don't seem to want them anyway.

This idea that Democrats don't use guns is also out of touch with reality.

[Thermodolia]

It wouldn't matter which one hit you there, without immediate medical attention you would be dead in 10 minutes or less

Even with immediate attention there's not much you can do for someone that has gravy for internal organs after the shockwave travels through their body liquifying everything.

Well ya. But the femoral artery is a major artery, put a hole in that and you'd lose blood like no tomorrow

[Corrian]

I live in Britain, for some reason i'm not seeing any BBC reports

Maybe BBC is kind of focusing on a freak building accident you think?

[Washington Resistance Army]

Dunno, depends on lots of things. If you want to reduce gun violence you need to tackle poverty and the drug war.

That will do more to lower gun crime than any of the retarded gun control ideas people trot out.

Poverty and the drug war doesn't appear to have any relation to spree shooting and mass murder, which brings us back to the "retarded" gun control laws that seem to work rather well at stopping a mass murder every second week in virtually every other developed country on the planet.

Such things are a statistically irrelevant part of our gun deaths.

[Thermodolia]

Good.

Down with Democracy! It starts with the Legislature! America there is a new revolution coming!

This is what happens with you Oppress the citizens who vote you in and they betray you.

Ya no

[Thermodolia]

Not really, he had some run ins with the PD. He apparently broke into a house.

He didn't "break into" a house. It was some sort of domestic argument or something, he probably knew the people involved. What happened was he got his daughter out of the house, then he punched a neighbour in the face. 11 years ago. In 2006. So unless you're going to say that the only way he thought his daughter wouldn't fuck some guy he doesn't like is by shooting the House Republican baseball team, I don't see what point you're trying to make. I doubt that intermittent noise complaints and one incident of battery is a large risk factor for "attempted assassination".

He never sent threats or threatened anyone with violence in e-mail correspondence or on Facebook, for one, which is ostensibly a risk factor for actual violence (although I suspect that's a lie to make busywork), but he was politically active and had a "gun owner" or "Anglo-Saxon" mentality. The same sort of mentality that was noted by H.L. Mencken in 1923.

"The normal American of the 'pure-blooded' majority goes to rest every night with an uneasy feeling that there is a burglar under the bed, and he gets up every morning with a sickening fear that his underwear has been stolen. . . . "

https://www.chicagoreader.com/Bleader/a ... n-american

Unfortunately it's not very easy to externally observe how helpless, powerless, or pathetic someone feels, but it may be more important for law enforcement to pay attention to politically active and engaged gun owners. Doubly unfortunately, that seems to be an impossible task given the sheer number of politically active gun owners.

TBH, the only thing that seems to separate Mr. Hodgkinson from the average American gun owner (or, really, the average American) is that he tried to shoot some Congressmen.

Well thats definitely different than what the news said.

[Outer Sparta]

Ha, like that'll matter





Oddly, the President is now saying the shooter is dead, despite what media are reporting. Is this just Trump being full of it again?

You know his source for all news is FOX and Twitter -- where it was reported erroneously that the shooter was dead.

The president seems to watch Fox News, go out golfing and tweeting instead of doing actual presidential work.

[I didnt vote for Trump]

Poverty and the drug war doesn't appear to have any relation to spree shooting and mass murder, which brings us back to the "retarded" gun control laws that seem to work rather well at stopping a mass murder every second week in virtually every other developed country on the planet.

Such things are a statistically irrelevant part of our gun deaths.

So are terrorist attacks and yet somehow we're blowing shit up in the middle east, so where's your line drawn? Are Muslim murderers somehow worse or are you just more concerned about losing your hobby than a few dozen people dying every year?

[Nulla Bellum]

Good.

Down with Democracy! It starts with the Legislature! America there is a new revolution coming!

This is what happens with you Oppress the citizens who vote you in and they betray you.

Uh, no. This is what happens when your politics require guns to implement.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Such things are a statistically irrelevant part of our gun deaths.

So are terrorist attacks and yet somehow we're blowing shit up in the middle east, so where's your line drawn? Are Muslim murderers somehow worse or are you just more concerned about losing your hobby than a few dozen people dying every year?

I don't care about terror attacks.

[Gallia-]

He didn't "break into" a house. It was some sort of domestic argument or something, he probably knew the people involved. What happened was he got his daughter out of the house, then he punched a neighbour in the face. 11 years ago. In 2006. So unless you're going to say that the only way he thought his daughter wouldn't fuck some guy he doesn't like is by shooting the House Republican baseball team, I don't see what point you're trying to make. I doubt that intermittent noise complaints and one incident of battery is a large risk factor for "attempted assassination".

He never sent threats or threatened anyone with violence in e-mail correspondence or on Facebook, for one, which is ostensibly a risk factor for actual violence (although I suspect that's a lie to make busywork), but he was politically active and had a "gun owner" or "Anglo-Saxon" mentality. The same sort of mentality that was noted by H.L. Mencken in 1923.

"The normal American of the 'pure-blooded' majority goes to rest every night with an uneasy feeling that there is a burglar under the bed, and he gets up every morning with a sickening fear that his underwear has been stolen. . . . "

https://www.chicagoreader.com/Bleader/a ... n-american

Unfortunately it's not very easy to externally observe how helpless, powerless, or pathetic someone feels, but it may be more important for law enforcement to pay attention to politically active and engaged gun owners. Doubly unfortunately, that seems to be an impossible task given the sheer number of politically active gun owners.

TBH, the only thing that seems to separate Mr. Hodgkinson from the average American gun owner (or, really, the average American) is that he tried to shoot some Congressmen.

Well thats definitely different than what the news said.

Actually I skimmed a WaPo article.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/pu ... story.html

tl;dr: He punched some woman 11 years ago trying to get his daughter out of her car (his wife was helping him, so he might've punched her too! with his elbow! domestic abuse!), got into a fight with the woman's boyfriend later on when he went to his house to "confront" him [also 11 years ago], and had a neighbour call a noise complaint on him in March.

[Thermodolia]

Such things are a statistically irrelevant part of our gun deaths.

So are terrorist attacks and yet somehow we're blowing shit up in the middle east, so where's your line drawn? Are Muslim murderers somehow worse or are you just more concerned about losing your hobby than a few dozen people dying every year?

Id be fine with that margin. 36 people dead a year from guns? That's not bad at all