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Postby Imperializt Russia » Wed Jun 14, 2017 12:05 pm

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you are right. it doesn't make any sense.


Since when have gun rights restriction been required to make sense? :lol2:

It's not a gun rights restriction, it's a dumb protectionist measure designed to "help" American businesses by demanding that every firearm in the country has at least some US-made parts.
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Postby Sovaal » Wed Jun 14, 2017 12:05 pm

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you are right. it doesn't make any sense.


Since when have gun rights restriction been required to make sense? :lol2:

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Postby Big Jim P » Wed Jun 14, 2017 12:07 pm

MC United wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:Please don't blame Bernie for this.

The guy who shot him was just a crazy asshole and is not represent all of the left wing.



That's a strawman fallacy statement.


It appears that your sarcasm detector is out of order as well.

The larger point remains. Bernie, as well as the entirety of the extreme left wing in the States, has helped create the environment in which this attempted assassination could be imagined, let alone committed. THEY bear responsibility for their actions

Btw: How interesting that leftists and Islamic terrorists never seem to represent anyone but themselves, yet rightists and Christians represent all rightists and Christians when one of them goes astray.


I've seen that exact attitude and argument from both sides.
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Postby The United Dark Republic » Wed Jun 14, 2017 12:08 pm

Imperializt Russia wrote:
Athrax wrote:The individual is either dead or in custody, reports differ

BBC clarified that he is in custody, and that Lee must have been mistaken. I understand he is the only person to have made the claim that the shooter died.

No, Lee was correct. The shooter has died.
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Postby Nulla Bellum » Wed Jun 14, 2017 12:08 pm

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That's the spirit! Needs MOAR "Republicans are killing millions of people with their health care proposals! We must RESIST!" tho.

What emails are you getting? Every thing I get with resist involves calling people and holding marches. Opposing toxic legislation isn't a violent act, it's democracy. Where ever this guy got the fucked off idea that this was okay doesn't give the administration a "free shot" at their shitty policy proposals.


Brah. It's not like people killed by Republican health care proposals will stop voting for Democrats.
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Postby Big Jim P » Wed Jun 14, 2017 12:11 pm

Nulla Bellum wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:What emails are you getting? Every thing I get with resist involves calling people and holding marches. Opposing toxic legislation isn't a violent act, it's democracy. Where ever this guy got the fucked off idea that this was okay doesn't give the administration a "free shot" at their shitty policy proposals.


Brah. It's not like people killed by Republican health care proposals will stop voting for Democrats.


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Postby Corrian » Wed Jun 14, 2017 12:17 pm

Nulla Bellum wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:What emails are you getting? Every thing I get with resist involves calling people and holding marches. Opposing toxic legislation isn't a violent act, it's democracy. Where ever this guy got the fucked off idea that this was okay doesn't give the administration a "free shot" at their shitty policy proposals.


Brah. It's not like people killed by Republican health care proposals will stop voting for Democrats.

...Really? Dead people barely vote anyway as that's mostly a bullshit thing people exaggerated. Also seems kind of...insensitive of a comment.

And the healthcare proposal will most likely affect Trump supporters the most, anyway.
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Postby Nulla Bellum » Wed Jun 14, 2017 12:22 pm

Corrian wrote:
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Brah. It's not like people killed by Republican health care proposals will stop voting for Democrats.

...Really? Dead people barely vote anyway as that's mostly a bullshit thing people exaggerated. Also seems kind of...insensitive of a comment.

And the healthcare proposal will most likely affect Trump supporters the most, anyway.


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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Wed Jun 14, 2017 12:22 pm

MC United wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:Please don't blame Bernie for this.

The guy who shot him was just a crazy asshole and is not represent all of the left wing.



That's a strawman fallacy statement.


It appears that your sarcasm detector is out of order as well.

The larger point remains. Bernie, as well as the entirety of the extreme left wing in the States, has helped create the environment in which this attempted assassination could be imagined, let alone committed. THEY bear responsibility for their actions

Btw: How interesting that leftists and Islamic terrorists never seem to represent anyone but themselves, yet rightists and Christians represent all rightists and Christians when one of them goes astray.


Does that mean I can blame Trump for making the toxic environment of current US politics?



That's not how it works.

If a group is about being a terrorist organization, then there members are to be held responsible for the groups actions and themselves.

If it was just one crazy person, then that person is responsible for there own actions. Not Bernie, not the extreme left wing, just this one dude.

For example, this one dude who shot up an abortion clinic does not represent the entire American extreme right.

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Postby Imperializt Russia » Wed Jun 14, 2017 12:33 pm

The United Dark Republic wrote:
Imperializt Russia wrote:BBC clarified that he is in custody, and that Lee must have been mistaken. I understand he is the only person to have made the claim that the shooter died.

No, Lee was correct. The shooter has died.

No, Lee was not correct. The shooter died in medical care, some hours after the incident.
Lee texted to Fox that the shooter died at the incident.
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Postby Corrian » Wed Jun 14, 2017 12:34 pm

Nulla Bellum wrote:To the safe spaces! Quick!

Thanks for clarifying you're not a poster worth bothering with since you can apparently only post in buzz words.
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Postby Arumbia67 » Wed Jun 14, 2017 12:37 pm

Was the shooter insane, or did he think he would actually achieve something here? Kudos to the capital police being quick on the draw, and ending the situation though.
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Postby Nulla Bellum » Wed Jun 14, 2017 12:38 pm

Corrian wrote:
Nulla Bellum wrote:To the safe spaces! Quick!

Thanks for clarifying you're not a poster worth bothering with since you can apparently only post in buzz words.


Look ma, a lefty that wants to be taken seriously.
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Postby Major-Tom » Wed Jun 14, 2017 12:38 pm

Yes, this was an act of politically motivated terrorism. Christ - far rightists have pulled shit like this, it should come as no surprise that people from the other side of the spectrum are capable of the same shit.

I'm just glad everyone is okay, really.

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Postby Shrillland » Wed Jun 14, 2017 12:46 pm

Arumbia67 wrote:Was the shooter insane, or did he think he would actually achieve something here? Kudos to the capital police being quick on the draw, and ending the situation though.


No, he wasn't crazy, I'm sure. He just thought he could rid the country of corrupt and vile GOP leadership(not my views but his).

I may disagree with the GOP on a lot of things, I may even hate individual members with a fiery vengeance, but I would and shall never advocate their assassinations or any form of violence on any individual just because of their differing world views. Here is hoping that this is not merely a spark that sets America ablaze, for there is no future going down that path, and here is hoping all who were attacked will recover.
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Postby Big Jim P » Wed Jun 14, 2017 12:48 pm

Nulla Bellum wrote:
Corrian wrote:Thanks for clarifying you're not a poster worth bothering with since you can apparently only post in buzz words.


Look ma, a lefty that wants to be taken seriously.


FYI, some leftist can and should be taken seriously, and showing a little respect doesn't hurt either. I don't always agree with the left (it depends on the individual and the issue at hand), but I respect a few, and take some seriously.
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Postby Big Jim P » Wed Jun 14, 2017 12:52 pm

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Arumbia67 wrote:Was the shooter insane, or did he think he would actually achieve something here? Kudos to the capital police being quick on the draw, and ending the situation though.


No, he wasn't crazy, I'm sure. He just thought he could rid the country of corrupt and vile GOP leadership(not my views but his).

I may disagree with the GOP on a lot of things, I may even hate individual members with a fiery vengeance, but I would and shall never advocate their assassinations or any form of violence on any individual just because of their differing world views. Here is hoping that this is not merely a spark that sets America ablaze, for there is no future going down that path, and here is hoping all who were attacked will recover.


I've said much the same from a rightist point of view. I don't want a shooting war. I would rather have our debates, and walk away agreeing to disagree if necessary.
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Postby Luziyca » Wed Jun 14, 2017 12:56 pm

...fucking hell.

Shrillland wrote:
Arumbia67 wrote:Was the shooter insane, or did he think he would actually achieve something here? Kudos to the capital police being quick on the draw, and ending the situation though.


No, he wasn't crazy, I'm sure. He just thought he could rid the country of corrupt and vile GOP leadership(not my views but his).

I may disagree with the GOP on a lot of things, I may even hate individual members with a fiery vengeance, but I would and shall never advocate their assassinations or any form of violence on any individual just because of their differing world views. Here is hoping that this is not merely a spark that sets America ablaze, for there is no future going down that path, and here is hoping all who were attacked will recover.

Agreed. But knowing the political climate is as toxic as the air in Zabol... it would not be surprising if this sparks greater tensions between both sides.

The way I see it, I feel this is going to be the start of a long hot summer, not just in the USA, but elsewhere as well.
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Postby Nulla Bellum » Wed Jun 14, 2017 12:56 pm

Big Jim P wrote:
Nulla Bellum wrote:
Look ma, a lefty that wants to be taken seriously.


FYI, some leftist can and should be taken seriously, and showing a little respect doesn't hurt either. I don't always agree with the left (it depends on the individual and the issue at hand), but I respect a few, and take some seriously.


So do I. This was not one of those.
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Postby Republic of the Cristo » Wed Jun 14, 2017 12:57 pm

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Derpy, please don't be that guy. Absolutely no one cares about fallacies, and they don't end arguments, ever.
It's a little pretentious to just say "thats a fallacy". All it does is make you look smart.


I mean, they should beacuse fallacies are logically incorrect that undermine the argument's logical validity and leads to a recognition of an argument being unsound.

I just wanted to say it in that way beacuse i'm tired and can't argue politely right now.


It's better to explain why something is wrong, instead of using the word fallacy - it just makes you look smart.
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Postby Big Jim P » Wed Jun 14, 2017 12:58 pm

Nulla Bellum wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
FYI, some leftist can and should be taken seriously, and showing a little respect doesn't hurt either. I don't always agree with the left (it depends on the individual and the issue at hand), but I respect a few, and take some seriously.


So do I. This was not one of those.


You got called for a useless post. Deal with it.
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Postby Genivaria » Wed Jun 14, 2017 1:00 pm

So what exactly do we know so far?
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Postby Genivaria » Wed Jun 14, 2017 1:00 pm

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So do I. This was not one of those.


You got called for a useless post. Deal with it.

I think my respect for you just went up for that.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed Jun 14, 2017 1:02 pm

Genivaria wrote:So what exactly do we know so far?


Shooter dead. Majority Whip in surgery. Trump talking nonsense.
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Postby Big Jim P » Wed Jun 14, 2017 1:02 pm

Genivaria wrote:So what exactly do we know so far?


A Bernie supporter used an AR to shoot (very poorly) at Republicans practicing for a charity softball game. Shooter injured five, was injured and later died. People are reacting as expected.
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