US Representative Shot

[Sovaal]

I mainly had foriegn exports in mind, as there/where are hundreds of different manufacturers of Ak rifles, diluting the market for KC.

Also, Russian AKs are banned from import into the US last time I checked, so there goes the US market.

There are other nations that produced the AK. Ian from Forgotten Weapons has a Romanian one iirc.

I literally stated how all the other AKs from other countries dilutes the market.

But yah, forgotten weapons is awesome.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

There are other nations that produced the AK. Ian from Forgotten Weapons has a Romanian one iirc.

I literally stated how all the other AKs from other countries dilutes the market.

But yah, forgotten weapons is awesome.

Sorry, I was focusing on something else and I didn't read the first part.

[Sovaal]

Trump, we need to come together, Hillary lost, blah blah blah...

Oh so the standard don't look behind the curtain thing?

Basically.

[Sovaal]

I literally stated how all the other AKs from other countries dilutes the market.

But yah, forgotten weapons is awesome.

Sorry, I was focusing on something else and I didn't read the first part.

Eh, it's ok.

[Imperializt Russia]

Whaaa??

The Russian Army stopped placing orders for new AK rifles because they've got a billion in warehouses.
Was it not for the US commercial market, the Izmash factory (which builds the AK) would have gone under.

I mainly had foriegn exports in mind, as there/where are hundreds of different manufacturers of Ak rifles, diluting the market for KC.

Also, Russian AKs are banned from import into the US last time I checked, so there goes the US market.

They aren't. Obviously military-spec AKs are because giggle switches, but the US commercial market is the only thing keeping the Izmash factory afloat.

Almost all new-build AKs from Izmash are brought into the US on importer deals, domestic companies change parts for 922r compliance, then it's sold.
There is one such importer that is highly reputable but I can't recall its name.

[Talvezout]

It's a bit sad that this is already getting heavily politicized

At least no one other then the shooter died (AFAIK), and things seem to be contained now

[Corrian]

It's a bit sad that this is already getting heavily politicized

At least no one other then the shooter died (AFAIK), and things seem to be contained now

Of course it is. Shouldn't be surprising.

[Washington Resistance Army]

I mainly had foriegn exports in mind, as there/where are hundreds of different manufacturers of Ak rifles, diluting the market for KC.

Also, Russian AKs are banned from import into the US last time I checked, so there goes the US market.

They aren't. Obviously military-spec AKs are because giggle switches, but the US commercial market is the only thing keeping the Izmash factory afloat.

Almost all new-build AKs from Izmash are brought into the US on importer deals, domestic companies change parts for 922r compliance, then it's sold.
There is one such importer that is highly reputable but I can't recall its name.

>implying anyone actually follows 922r

[Cannot think of a name]

It's a bit sad that this is already getting heavily politicized

At least no one other then the shooter died (AFAIK), and things seem to be contained now

He shot at politicians. It was political out the gate.

[Ifreann]

I'm just amused by the image of the Flash flash-reloading a musket.

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Heh

Last time that happened the shooter was appointed an attorney who was presumably compensate for her time by the state of Arizona.

What, shit.

Jared Loughner, when on trial for attempting to murder Gabby Giffords, murdering several other people, and probably various other charges, was appointed Judy Clarke as his attorney. I assume she was paid by the state, since they appointed her.

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I'm sure several posters would object to the shooter getting any legal representation, had he lived.

And this has relevance to what I said how?

You said that donating to the legal defence fund of a murderer would not be acceptable here. I know that's not really what you were getting at, and I'm sure not what Thunder Place was getting at, but it occurred to me that it really ought not be objectionable for murderers to get a legal defence, and yet probably would be objected to.

[Sovaal]

They aren't. Obviously military-spec AKs are because giggle switches, but the US commercial market is the only thing keeping the Izmash factory afloat.

Almost all new-build AKs from Izmash are brought into the US on importer deals, domestic companies change parts for 922r compliance, then it's sold.
There is one such importer that is highly reputable but I can't recall its name.

>implying anyone actually follows 922r

Gonna be honest, that law makes no sense.

[MC United]

It's fake news! Fake news, I say! The attempted assassin MUST have been a right-wing Christian NRA member! It was an obvious attempt to discredit the political left in general and Bernie Sanders in particular. This must STOP!!!

Said literally. Fucking. Nobody.

I take it your sarcasm detector is broken.

[Imperializt Russia]

They aren't. Obviously military-spec AKs are because giggle switches, but the US commercial market is the only thing keeping the Izmash factory afloat.

Almost all new-build AKs from Izmash are brought into the US on importer deals, domestic companies change parts for 922r compliance, then it's sold.
There is one such importer that is highly reputable but I can't recall its name.

>implying anyone actually follows 922r

Pretty sure it's an illegal firearm if they don't.

IIRC this was a major issue with when the US Army adopted the Beretta 92 as the M9 Pistol. US-supplied parts for 922r compliance were universally cheap shit, causing reliability problems and lack of faith in the service pistol.

[Imperializt Russia]

Said literally. Fucking. Nobody.

I take it your sarcasm detector is broken.

No, I just remember the time when sarcasm was actually meant to satirise someone and views they actually held.

[Nulla Bellum]

Of course not. Now that we are certain the shooter is left-wing we must stress that all the violent rhetoric on his Facebook is merely performance art.

You have failed to demonstrate violent rhetoric, save for taking one word out of context.

That's the spirit! Needs MOAR "Republicans are killing millions of people with their health care proposals! We must RESIST!" tho.

[Corrian]

Said literally. Fucking. Nobody.

I take it your sarcasm detector is broken.

You do realize what world we live in right now, right?

Also, half-assed sarcasm is half-assed.

[Uxupox]

>implying anyone actually follows 922r

Gonna be honest, that law makes no sense.

you are right. it doesn't make any sense.

[Washington Resistance Army]

>implying anyone actually follows 922r

Pretty sure it's an illegal firearm if they don't.

IIRC this was a major issue with when the US Army adopted the Beretta 92 as the M9 Pistol. US-supplied parts for 922r compliance were universally cheap shit, causing reliability problems and lack of faith in the service pistol.

Well yeah it would be illegal, but nobody actually cares because it's impossible to prove. I don't think there's ever been a case where someone is punished over that silly nonsense.

[Cannot think of a name]

You have failed to demonstrate violent rhetoric, save for taking one word out of context.

That's the spirit! Needs MOAR "Republicans are killing millions of people with their health care proposals! We must RESIST!" tho.

What emails are you getting? Every thing I get with resist involves calling people and holding marches. Opposing toxic legislation isn't a violent act, it's democracy. Where ever this guy got the fucked off idea that this was okay doesn't give the administration a "free shot" at their shitty policy proposals.

[Imperializt Russia]

Pretty sure it's an illegal firearm if they don't.

IIRC this was a major issue with when the US Army adopted the Beretta 92 as the M9 Pistol. US-supplied parts for 922r compliance were universally cheap shit, causing reliability problems and lack of faith in the service pistol.

Well yeah it would be illegal, but nobody actually cares because it's impossible to prove. I don't think there's ever been a case where someone is punished over that silly nonsense.

To my knowledge, all AK importing companies (and presumably any other big, reputable importing firm) have to at least claim they can prove compliance before the weapon can go on sale.

My knowledge of course being pretty meaningless over here.

[United Christian]

Call it what it is. A terrorist attack committed by a married white man. And if they must just to throw a jab at a group call him a radical liberal. Which is what he is. The White House and the entire party has a chance to not look completely bigoted, I'm glad the victims will survive and the suspect is dead. But now you need to call it what it is.

I don't really know you, but this statement overall just feels rather ironic considering the refusal to call so many right-wing extremists terrorists (Not by you specifically, just in general)

This is Trump we are talking about. We'd be lucky if he calls this a terror attack let alone call a right wing attack just that a terrorist attack.

[Big Jim P]

Gonna be honest, that law makes no sense.

you are right. it doesn't make any sense.

Since when have gun rights restriction been required to make sense?

[MC United]

Please don't blame Bernie for this.

The guy who shot him was just a crazy asshole and is not represent all of the left wing.

It's fake news! Fake news, I say! The attempted assassin MUST have been a right-wing Christian NRA member! It was an obvious attempt to discredit the political left in general and Bernie Sanders in particular. This must STOP!!!

That's a strawman fallacy statement.

It appears that your sarcasm detector is out of order as well.

The larger point remains. Bernie, as well as the entirety of the extreme left wing in the States, has helped create the environment in which this attempted assassination could be imagined, let alone committed. THEY bear responsibility for their actions

Btw: How interesting that leftists and Islamic terrorists never seem to represent anyone but themselves, yet rightists and Christians represent all rightists and Christians when one of them goes astray.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Please don't blame Bernie for this.

The guy who shot him was just a crazy asshole and is not represent all of the left wing.



That's a strawman fallacy statement.

Derpy, please don't be that guy. Absolutely no one cares about fallacies, and they don't end arguments, ever.
It's a little pretentious to just say "thats a fallacy". All it does is make you look smart.

I mean, they should beacuse fallacies are logically incorrect that undermine the argument's logical validity and leads to a recognition of an argument being unsound.

I just wanted to say it in that way beacuse i'm tired and can't argue politely right now.

[Big Jim P]

I don't really know you, but this statement overall just feels rather ironic considering the refusal to call so many right-wing extremists terrorists (Not by you specifically, just in general)

This is Trump we are talking about. We'd be lucky if he calls this a terror attack let alone call a right wing attack just that a terrorist attack.

He'd just be following Obamas precedence in refusing to call a act of terrorism an act of terrorism.