US Representative Shot

[Staniel]

And you're just going on ahead ignoring the widespread, continuous attacks against Trump in the media? All right, your loss.

No, I am just finding extremely distasteful, indecent, shameful, and sick that someone would claim that someone speaking ill of Donald Trump is oppression when Yazidi women are actually being oppressed everyday as sex slaves by their Islamic State kidnappers.
This is so indecent, so shameful. There once was a time when America would not stoop this low, but that time is long gone, unfortunately.

And I feel sorry for those are oppressed.

But that's not going to detract me stating the obvious.

Persecution can also mean "unfair treatment on a group of people". It doesn't HAVE to be based on slavery or oppression.

Do you not see the Trump/conservative backlash?

http://nypost.com/2017/04/18/two-women- ... rump-sign/

https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/new ... /94037802/

Among other drivel...

[Ifreann]

I know I'm late to the party on this, but things like this, the "Shakespeare in the Park" play, Snoop Dogg shooting a highly exaggerated "Trump clown", and Kathy Griffin holding the bloodied head of Trump is why this conservative persecution from the Left has got to STOP!

My godless heathens, even when you have the Presidency, both houses of Congress, and the fucking Supreme Court, the right-wing persecution complex never stops, does it?

But people keep saying that he's a bad president! The struggle is real!

[Soldati Senza Confini]

To claim that what your faction is "experiencing" is persecution (plays, videos, photos, oh the humanity!) while there are people out there genuinely fearing for their continued existence because they are being persecuted is so indecent, so shameful, that only modern American politics would genuinely allow someone to go this far.

And you're just going on ahead ignoring the widespread, continuous attacks against Trump in the media? All right, your loss.

Trump has brought all that criticism on himself.

Every candidate that has won the electoral vote, but lost the popular vote, has faced this, and even presidents who didn't (see Richard Nixon).

Trump, instead of learning from the experiences of the past presidents in the same position, he has decided to act like a petulant child, which has brought him more problem than not.

Fact is, people didn't like Trump, and the only reason many like Trump is because it makes the left angry, and to be fair, that's a childish reason to back a candidate.

[The East Marches II]

And you're just going on ahead ignoring the widespread, continuous attacks against Trump in the media? All right, your loss.

No, I am just finding extremely distasteful, indecent, shameful, and sick that someone would claim that someone speaking ill of Donald Trump is oppression when there are actual human beings fearing for their lives due to the oppression they face.
This is so indecent, so shameful. There once was a time when America would not stoop this low, but that time is long gone, unfortunately.

Yes and there was a time when France wouldn't pay bribes to Sultans. We're all worse off and weaker than before.

[Dylar]

No, I am just finding extremely distasteful, indecent, shameful, and sick that someone would claim that someone speaking ill of Donald Trump is oppression when Yazidi women are actually being oppressed everyday as sex slaves by their Islamic State kidnappers.
This is so indecent, so shameful. There once was a time when America would not stoop this low, but that time is long gone, unfortunately.

And I feel sorry for those are oppressed.

But that's not going to detract me stating the obvious.

Persecution can also mean "unfair treatment on a group of people". It doesn't HAVE to be based on slavery or oppression.

Do you not see the Trump/conservative backlash?

http://nypost.com/2017/04/18/two-women- ... rump-sign/

https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/new ... /94037802/

Among other drivel...

No one's denying the backlash against the Republican Party, however, this backlash is really just a bunch of people from the left expressing their Constitutional right to Freedom of Speech. Meaning that you can say whatever you want about this country, or it's government, and you will not be arrested for hurting the President's feelings. It's not a persecution, otherwise we'd have people running around the streets killing anyone who even mentions the word "Republican." Also, persecution is usually committed against minority groups, not governments.

[Olerand]

No, I am just finding extremely distasteful, indecent, shameful, and sick that someone would claim that someone speaking ill of Donald Trump is oppression when Yazidi women are actually being oppressed everyday as sex slaves by their Islamic State kidnappers.
This is so indecent, so shameful. There once was a time when America would not stoop this low, but that time is long gone, unfortunately.

And I feel sorry for those are oppressed.

But that's not going to detract me stating the obvious.

Persecution can also mean "unfair treatment on a group of people". It doesn't HAVE to be based on slavery or oppression.

Do you not see the Trump/conservative backlash?

http://nypost.com/2017/04/18/two-women- ... rump-sign/

https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/new ... /94037802/

Among other drivel...

To compare Twitter and "two women charged with hate crime for burning Trump sign" with actual, real, oppression is so indecent.

No, I am just finding extremely distasteful, indecent, shameful, and sick that someone would claim that someone speaking ill of Donald Trump is oppression when there are actual human beings fearing for their lives due to the oppression they face.
This is so indecent, so shameful. There once was a time when America would not stoop this low, but that time is long gone, unfortunately.

Yes and there was a time when France wouldn't pay bribes to Sultans. We're all worse off and weaker than before.

I don't even know what this means, or how us paying tribute to a sultan relates to the indecency and shamelessness that American politics have degenerated into.

[Staniel]

And I feel sorry for those are oppressed.

But that's not going to detract me stating the obvious.

Persecution can also mean "unfair treatment on a group of people". It doesn't HAVE to be based on slavery or oppression.

Do you not see the Trump/conservative backlash?

http://nypost.com/2017/04/18/two-women- ... rump-sign/

https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/new ... /94037802/

Among other drivel...

No one's denying the backlash against the Republican Party, however, this backlash is really just a bunch of people from the left expressing their Constitutional right to Freedom of Speech. Meaning that you can say whatever you want about this country, or it's government, and you will not be arrested for hurting the President's feelings. It's not a persecution, otherwise we'd have people running around the streets killing anyone who even mentions the word "Republican." Also, persecution is usually committed against minority groups, not governments.

So Kathy Griffin holding the decapitated head of
our President is still under Free Speech? Isn't that inflammatory as it signifies the murder of someone? And speech inciting such an act is not under the Freedom of Speech clause.

[The East Marches II]

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I don't even know what this means, or how us paying tribute to a sultan relates to the indecency and shamelessness that American politics have degenerated into.

Would DeGaulle tolerate Erdogan's games? I was merely commenting on the sad state of the West. I can start posting Ron Paul faces.

[Vassenor]

No one's denying the backlash against the Republican Party, however, this backlash is really just a bunch of people from the left expressing their Constitutional right to Freedom of Speech. Meaning that you can say whatever you want about this country, or it's government, and you will not be arrested for hurting the President's feelings. It's not a persecution, otherwise we'd have people running around the streets killing anyone who even mentions the word "Republican." Also, persecution is usually committed against minority groups, not governments.

So Kathy Griffin holding the decapitated head of
our President is still under Free Speech? Isn't that inflammatory as it signifies the murder of someone? And speech inciting such an act is not under the Freedom of Speech clause.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Per Brandenburg v. Ohio (1969) said that the government cannot punish inflammatory speech unless that speech is "directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action." So unless she was actively telling people to kill him it's not incitement.

[Olerand]

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I don't even know what this means, or how us paying tribute to a sultan relates to the indecency and shamelessness that American politics have degenerated into.

Would DeGaulle tolerate Erdogan's games?

Angela Merkel made that deal. Ask if Adenauer would tolerate Erdogan's games.

[The East Marches II]

Would DeGaulle tolerate Erdogan's games?

Angela Merkel made that deal. Ask if Adenauer would tolerate Erdogan's games.

Then why did France pay into it via the EU? Where is that famous French independence I was supposed to hear so much about?

[Olerand]

Angela Merkel made that deal. Ask if Adenauer would tolerate Erdogan's games.

Then why did France pay into it via the EU? Where is that famous French independence I was supposed to hear so much about?

We give money to the EU, as all member-States do. The EU then disposes of that money in various ways. One of those ways, as set up by Mutti, is paying Erdogan to keep the Syrians on his side of the Aegean.

Is this the best possible outcome? No. Is it better than the alternative? Yes.
Was France involved in this? No. Does France pay the EU money completely separately from this issue? Yes.

And again, the EU paying Erdogan to have his coast guards do their jobs does not relate to the indecency, shamelessness, and downright sick behavior that American politics have become.

[The East Marches II]

Then why did France pay into it via the EU? Where is that famous French independence I was supposed to hear so much about?

We give money to the EU, as all member-States do. The EU then disposes of that money in various ways. One of those ways, as set up by Mutti, is paying Erdogan to keep the Syrians on his side of the Aegean.

Is this the best possible outcome? No. Is it better than the alternative? Yes.
Was France involved in this? No. Does France pay the EU money completely separately from this issue? Yes.

And again, the EU paying Erdogan to have his coast guards do their jobs does not relate to the indecency, shamelessness, and downright sick behavior that American politics have become.

You aren't involved in the spending of your own money? Merde, the situation is far worse than I thought.

Sure it is related. Its shameless, indecent and cowardly as well. You aren't even turning a profit via a corrupt arms deal ala Mitterand. Its so disappointing.

[Gauthier]

To claim that what your faction is "experiencing" is persecution (plays, videos, photos, oh the humanity!) while there are people out there genuinely fearing for their continued existence because they are being persecuted is so indecent, so shameful, that only modern American politics would genuinely allow someone to go this far.

And you're just going on ahead ignoring the widespread, continuous attacks against Trump in the media? All right, your loss.

Ah, it's hypocritical how The Champion of Anti-PC Trump is such a delicate snowflake that he needs to be safe spaced from such hard free speech.

[Olerand]

We give money to the EU, as all member-States do. The EU then disposes of that money in various ways. One of those ways, as set up by Mutti, is paying Erdogan to keep the Syrians on his side of the Aegean.

Is this the best possible outcome? No. Is it better than the alternative? Yes.
Was France involved in this? No. Does France pay the EU money completely separately from this issue? Yes.

And again, the EU paying Erdogan to have his coast guards do their jobs does not relate to the indecency, shamelessness, and downright sick behavior that American politics have become.

You aren't involved in the spending of your own money? Merde, the situation is far worse than I thought.

Sure it is related. Its shameless, indecent and cowardly as well. You aren't even turning a profit via a corrupt arms deal ala Mitterand. Its so disappointing.

No, France does not control the funds we send to the EU. Unlike the British, we didn't enter this project as a Trojan Horse, and did not expect that we would have our milk, the money to buy the milk, and the milkmaid's smile too.
We don't get a rebate, and like everyone else, we don't get to section our money to certain issues or causes. Do American states get to do that in the federal budget?

To compare us paying the EU the money we owe due to our membership to the American right claiming it is "being oppressed" because Kathy Griffin posted a photo online is so... outlandish and silly that I don't have anything to say.

[Staniel]

So Kathy Griffin holding the decapitated head of
our President is still under Free Speech? Isn't that inflammatory as it signifies the murder of someone? And speech inciting such an act is not under the Freedom of Speech clause.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Per Brandenburg v. Ohio (1969) said that the government cannot punish inflammatory speech unless that speech is "directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action." So unless she was actively telling people to kill him it's not incitement.

Her beheading of our President is insinuating a malicious threat to him. How is a portrayal of killing a ruler supposedly funny and not incitement?

[Neo Balka]

We give money to the EU, as all member-States do. The EU then disposes of that money in various ways. One of those ways, as set up by Mutti, is paying Erdogan to keep the Syrians on his side of the Aegean.

Is this the best possible outcome? No. Is it better than the alternative? Yes.
Was France involved in this? No. Does France pay the EU money completely separately from this issue? Yes.

And again, the EU paying Erdogan to have his coast guards do their jobs does not relate to the indecency, shamelessness, and downright sick behavior that American politics have become.

You aren't involved in the spending of your own money? Merde, the situation is far worse than I thought.

Sure it is related. Its shameless, indecent and cowardly as well. You aren't even turning a profit via a corrupt arms deal ala Mitterand. Its so disappointing.

Honestly, giving money to the germans is like giving a psycho a loaded gun. We should have never let them into NATO.

[Neo Balka]

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Per Brandenburg v. Ohio (1969) said that the government cannot punish inflammatory speech unless that speech is "directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action." So unless she was actively telling people to kill him it's not incitement.

Its only ok if the leader is a republican.
Her beheading of our President is insinuating a malicious threat to him. How is a potrayal of killing a ruler supposedly funny and not incitement?

[Gauthier]

No one's denying the backlash against the Republican Party, however, this backlash is really just a bunch of people from the left expressing their Constitutional right to Freedom of Speech. Meaning that you can say whatever you want about this country, or it's government, and you will not be arrested for hurting the President's feelings. It's not a persecution, otherwise we'd have people running around the streets killing anyone who even mentions the word "Republican." Also, persecution is usually committed against minority groups, not governments.

So Kathy Griffin holding the decapitated head of
our President is still under Free Speech? Isn't that inflammatory as it signifies the murder of someone? And speech inciting such an act is not under the Freedom of Speech clause.

I'm sure if Kathy Griffin really wanted Trump decapitated the Secret Service would have scheduled a date with her. Such hair trigger from the side that cries about political correctness.

[The East Marches II]

You aren't involved in the spending of your own money? Merde, the situation is far worse than I thought.

Sure it is related. Its shameless, indecent and cowardly as well. You aren't even turning a profit via a corrupt arms deal ala Mitterand. Its so disappointing.

No, France does not control the funds we send to the EU. Unlike the British, we didn't enter this project as a Trojan Horse, and did not expect that we would have our milk, the money to buy the milk, and the milkmaid's smile too.
We don't get a rebate, and like everyone else, we don't get to section our money to certain issues or causes. Do American states get to do that in the federal budget?

To compare us paying the EU the money we owe due to our membership to the American right claiming it is "being oppressed" because Kathy Griffin posted a photo online is so... outlandish and silly that I don't have anything to say.

The citizens pay up my friend, not the States to pay into the Federal budget. They would, if that were a thing, definitely want that influence however if that were the case.

One member of the right, no different than Melenchon's lot crying foul over your own party bullying them :^)

[Staniel]

And you're just going on ahead ignoring the widespread, continuous attacks against Trump in the media? All right, your loss.

Ah, it's hypocritical how The Champion of Anti-PC Trump is such a delicate snowflake that he needs to be safe spaced from such hard free speech.

No. What the MSM does is yellow journalism. Who even trusts them anymore than hard core liberals? How is CNN still a "reliable" news source? Exactly. Come on, help a conservative bro out.

[The East Marches II]

So Kathy Griffin holding the decapitated head of
our President is still under Free Speech? Isn't that inflammatory as it signifies the murder of someone? And speech inciting such an act is not under the Freedom of Speech clause.

I'm sure if Kathy Griffin really wanted Trump decapitated the Secret Service would have scheduled a date with her. Such hair trigger from the side that cries about political correctness.

I thought you were fan of that sort of thing?

[Olerand]

No, France does not control the funds we send to the EU. Unlike the British, we didn't enter this project as a Trojan Horse, and did not expect that we would have our milk, the money to buy the milk, and the milkmaid's smile too.
We don't get a rebate, and like everyone else, we don't get to section our money to certain issues or causes. Do American states get to do that in the federal budget?

To compare us paying the EU the money we owe due to our membership to the American right claiming it is "being oppressed" because Kathy Griffin posted a photo online is so... outlandish and silly that I don't have anything to say.

The citizens pay up my friend, not the States to pay into the Federal budget. They would, if that were a thing, definitely want that influence however if that were the case.

One member of the right, no different than Melenchon's lot crying foul over your own party bullying them :^)

And you would end up with the Articles of Confederation again. Didn't work the first time, won't work again, and it's not a good policy for the EU.

You mean against Valls? It's pathetic, but they're not claiming oppression. They're claiming the PS are social-traitors (or so) and not that they are being oppressed. Do you see the difference? Do you see how one is indecent and illogical, and the other simply childish and irritating?

EDIT: Or do you mean during the protests when the CRS evacuated them by force? Because if so, though I would disagree with Nuit debout and their lot's interpretation that they are being oppressed, losing an eye to a CRS officer does give you more credit than Kathy Griffin's Instagram feed.

[Northwestern Scenario]

You aren't involved in the spending of your own money? Merde, the situation is far worse than I thought.

Sure it is related. Its shameless, indecent and cowardly as well. You aren't even turning a profit via a corrupt arms deal ala Mitterand. Its so disappointing.

Honestly, giving money to the germans is like giving a psycho a loaded gun. We should have never let them into NATO.

Wat? I mean we're like heavily encouraging them not to remilitarize their military (loaded gun) by plopping all our NATO soldiers on them.

[Gauthier]

I'm sure if Kathy Griffin really wanted Trump decapitated the Secret Service would have scheduled a date with her. Such hair trigger from the side that cries about political correctness.

I thought you were fan of that sort of thing?

One sided chivalry is stupid suicide.