Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 8:42 amBut every time you bring up Trump losing the popular vote you get drowned out by cries of "BUT MURICA ISN'T A DEMOCRACY SO IT DOESN'T MATTER".
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Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 8:42 amPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 8:44 amBut every time you bring up Trump losing the popular vote you get drowned out by cries of "BUT MURICA ISN'T A DEMOCRACY SO IT DOESN'T MATTER".
Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 8:52 am...Is the electoral vote not part of a representative democracy?
Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 8:53 amIt's generally considered democratic to give victory to the candidate that the people vote for.
Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 8:56 amNulla Bellum wrote:Mavorpen wrote:My source considers Sanders to be left-wing, so whether I believe he's a centrist or not is ultimately irrelevant. Nulla wants to make it about what I believe because of some weird obsession with me.
No, it's that you have an indefensibly exclusive definition of "left-wing" that stymies rational discussion. Calling James Hodgkinson "right-wing" despite his known political statements and affiliations indicating the opposite still doesn't get us to the "right-wing has committed the vast majority of political violence in America" even if you crown the pile of actual right-wing political violence with the attack on Scalise.
Get a room.
Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 9:04 amCannot think of a name wrote:Nulla Bellum wrote:
No, it's that you have an indefensibly exclusive definition of "left-wing" that stymies rational discussion. Calling James Hodgkinson "right-wing" despite his known political statements and affiliations indicating the opposite still doesn't get us to the "right-wing has committed the vast majority of political violence in America" even if you crown the pile of actual right-wing political violence with the attack on Scalise.
Get a room.
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Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 9:32 amOnly "mostly"?
Look, I'll be the first to admit, I very much disliked Obama back when he was first elected, but even back then, I had no qualms whatsoever with how he got into office (unlike Trump and W).
Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 10:23 amPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 10:25 amPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 10:25 amThe minority of people voted for Trump. The majority voted against. Hillary alone got 3 million more votes than him, and that's not taking into account the 3rd party candidates. The only reason he won, was because the Electoral College is yet another form of legalized election rigging.
Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 10:26 amPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 10:26 amGrenartia wrote:The Empire of Pretantia wrote:The people voted for Trump.
The minority of people voted for Trump. The majority voted against. Hillary alone got 3 million more votes than him, and that's not taking into account the 3rd party candidates. The only reason he won, was because the Electoral College is yet another form of legalized election rigging.
So it was roughly half and half.
Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 10:26 amPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 10:27 amPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 10:28 amPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 10:30 amA majority of those who voted, voted for Hillary.
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:Grenartia wrote:
The minority of people voted for Trump. The majority voted against. Hillary alone got 3 million more votes than him, and that's not taking into account the 3rd party candidates. The only reason he won, was because the Electoral College is yet another form of legalized election rigging.
So it was roughly half and half.
Let me break it down with math.
Trump got 62 million votes (more or less). Clinton got 65 million votes (again, more or less).
62 + 65 = 127
62/127 = 0.48
65/127 = 0.51
3 percent may sound trivial, but in elections, it is not.
Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 10:56 amGrenartia wrote:The Empire of Pretantia wrote:A majority didn't vote for Hillary either.
A majority of those who voted, voted for Hillary.The Empire of Pretantia wrote:So it was roughly half and half.
Let me break it down with math.
Trump got 62 million votes (more or less). Clinton got 65 million votes (again, more or less).
62 + 65 = 127
62/127 = 0.48
65/127 = 0.51
3 percent may sound trivial, but in elections, it is not.
Still clinging to this? It like the Red Sox kicking a field goal for three points and complaining that they still lost the World Series.
Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 10:58 amBig Jim P wrote:Grenartia wrote:
A majority of those who voted, voted for Hillary.
Let me break it down with math.
Trump got 62 million votes (more or less). Clinton got 65 million votes (again, more or less).
62 + 65 = 127
62/127 = 0.48
65/127 = 0.51
3 percent may sound trivial, but in elections, it is not.
Still clinging to this? It like the Red Sox kicking a field goal for three points and complaining that they still lost the World Series.
Well, we still have people mistakenly thinking Trump won the majority of people's votes, despite all evidence to the contrary. Your argument, and your metaphor, are invalid. You get nothing.
Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 11:12 amGrenartia wrote:Big Jim P wrote:
Still clinging to this? It like the Red Sox kicking a field goal for three points and complaining that they still lost the World Series.
Well, we still have people mistakenly thinking Trump won the majority of people's votes, despite all evidence to the contrary. Your argument, and your metaphor, are invalid. You get nothing.
LOL. I get a country without hillary as president. You, however get to whine about it for a long, LONG time.
Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 11:27 amBig Jim P wrote:Grenartia wrote:
Well, we still have people mistakenly thinking Trump won the majority of people's votes, despite all evidence to the contrary. Your argument, and your metaphor, are invalid. You get nothing.
LOL. I get a country without hillary as president. You, however get to whine about it for a long, LONG time.
By this time next year, when the country's in the shitter, don't whine and cry when I tell you I told you so.
Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 11:29 amAnd what if it isn't shittier next year? What if it's better for all American citizens? This pessimistic attitude is what got us into the shit this year...
Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 11:33 amThe only way it would be better for all Americans, is if the entire administration got impeached one after another, along with at least half of both houses of Congress.
Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 11:34 amPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 11:35 amPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 11:37 amThe people (that bothered to vote) voted for how they wanted the Electoral College electors from their state to vote. Both candidates knew how many EC votes they needed. Only one candidate actively campaigned to win them.