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Catochristoferson wrote:A lot of right wing people defend their gun rights by saying "we need to protect ourselves from the tyrannical government". But when it actually happens, they complain about "terrorism", especially when the shooter is black or left wing.

I don't get this contradiction.

Catochristoferson wrote:

Neo Balka wrote:

Your words are just that against the record of history.

1) Free Territory was a thing.
2) Catolonia was a thing.
3) Communism is a stateless, moneyless, classless society.
3) The USSR never claimed to be communist. They claimed to be socialist. According to Marxist Leninist theory, socialism is supposed to be the transition state to communism. Of course, in real life that "transition" never happened, but I guess that was supposedly the idea.

And no, the media is not promoting violence against anyone. They are promoting #resistance, but calling your senators and having the police escort you while you're protesting isn't really protesting anything.

Nulla Bellum wrote:

Catochristoferson wrote:A lot of right wing people defend their gun rights by saying "we need to protect ourselves from the tyrannical government". But when it actually happens, they complain about "terrorism", especially when the shooter is black or left wing.

I don't get this contradiction.

Washing hands to prevent disease is bullshit. Look at all the disease in the world! Ban soap now!

Genivaria wrote:

Ifreann wrote:I mean, is that the rule that tells us whether Scalise is a tyrant or not? Is that rule enshrined in law somewhere?

If the idea is for the people to bear arms against a tyrannical government, surely there are instructions for recognising one.

There really aren't.
Some people genuinely think that Obama was a tyrant, others think the same about Bush.
Both are silly.

Catochristoferson wrote:

Nulla Bellum wrote:
Washing hands to prevent disease is bullshit. Look at all the disease in the world! Ban soap now!

I was just talking about right wing hypocrisy. I'm actually very pro-gun.

I'm not against defending yourself against a tyrannical government either. I was just mentioning how the right bring it up as a talking point, but don't actually like it when it's carried out.

Nulla Bellum wrote:

Catochristoferson wrote:
I was just talking about right wing hypocrisy. I'm actually very pro-gun.

I'm not against defending yourself against a tyrannical government either. I was just mentioning how the right bring it up as a talking point, but don't actually like it when it's carried out.

Here's where we pin you down. Then you can have Mavorpen "educate" you later (lol)

Was Scalise's shooter a hero of the leftist revolution, or does Scalise have to die or never return to Congress first?

Grinning Dragon wrote:

Nulla Bellum wrote:
Here's where we pin you down. Then you can have Mavorpen "educate" you later (lol)

Was Scalise's shooter a hero of the leftist revolution, or does Scalise have to die or never return to Congress first?

While perusing the interwebs following the shooting, to some it seems wouldn't matter if Scalise were to die or not, the fact that anger boy lost it and shot at repubs, was more than enough to get them to high 5 and back slaps.

Soldati Senza Confini wrote:

Osnil Returns wrote:Sorry I've been missing all the fun here. You guys have already probably discussed how the intended killer held high-ranking Republican names in his pocket, but here's my rant:

Have you guys talked about how this is what happens when a certain political leaning advocates violence? Yet if the other political leaning advocates violence, it's hate-speech. But since they're double-minded liberals, they can use their right to free speech to advocate shooting Republicans. AND THIS DUDE ACTUALLY DID.

Republicans didn't scream for Democrats to be violently resisted during the eight years of Obama. They peacefully protested. We didn't go screaming "NOT OUR PRESIDENT!" at the top of our lungs, nor did we advocate shooting Democrats. And we sure didn't shoot them at a baseball practice! The closest thing we did to that was demand that HIllary be put on trial for her crimes. When you think about it, "Lock Her Up" does not even compare to "Shoot All Republicans."

Where the fuck have you been that you haven't seen the underlined?

I don't know about you, but there were plenty of people during the Obama years that were grating and disrespectful towards Obama, and they even said "NOT MY PRESIDENT!" at the top of their lungs. Not to mention many of them derided and mocked peaceful protests as "oh what a bunch of snowflakes!" and actively have spoken about rebelling towards the government.

Now I don't know about the shooting and whatnot, not going to get into it, but to think that the last 8 years haven't been of conservatives literally shitting on Democrats? No, not really buying it. This has a long tail coming since the beginning of the Obama administration with birtherism and the Tea Party shenanigans. So, no, there's no reason why to think that this doesn't have a background and that all of a sudden people shooting representatives wasn't something we should have seen coming. It's bad that it happened, because I thought that we'd be able to ride the storm without a single attempt at a politician, but we haven't. To be fair, the only thing that's surprising in this event is who did it, not that it happened.

I said it before in these forums, things are just going to get worse before they get any better. The writing was all over the walls.

Catochristoferson wrote:To be fair, if the representative was a Democrat instead of a Republican, that wouldn't change my opinion at all.

Ifreann wrote:

Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
Where the fuck have you been that you haven't seen the underlined?

I don't know about you, but there were plenty of people during the Obama years that were grating and disrespectful towards Obama, and they even said "NOT MY PRESIDENT!" at the top of their lungs. Not to mention many of them derided and mocked peaceful protests as "oh what a bunch of snowflakes!" and actively have spoken about rebelling towards the government.

Now I don't know about the shooting and whatnot, not going to get into it, but to think that the last 8 years haven't been of conservatives literally shitting on Democrats? No, not really buying it. This has a long tail coming since the beginning of the Obama administration with birtherism and the Tea Party shenanigans. So, no, there's no reason why to think that this doesn't have a background and that all of a sudden people shooting representatives wasn't something we should have seen coming. It's bad that it happened, because I thought that we'd be able to ride the storm without a single attempt at a politician, but we haven't. To be fair, the only thing that's surprising in this event is who did it, not that it happened.

I said it before in these forums, things are just going to get worse before they get any better. The writing was all over the walls.

People, up to and including the current President, argued for years that President Obama was not American at all, and consequently not President.

Nulla Bellum wrote:

Ifreann wrote:People, up to and including the current President, argued for years that President Obama was not American at all, and consequently not President.

And... those idiots accomplished nothing.

Fartsniffage wrote:

Nulla Bellum wrote:
And... those idiots accomplished nothing.

Well one of them ended up as POTUS...

Nulla Bellum wrote:

Fartsniffage wrote:
Well one of them ended up as POTUS...

Birtherism came out of the Hillary Clinton 2008 campaign. Lil Donnie missed the cease order when that campaign stopped.

Neo Balka wrote:

Nulla Bellum wrote:
Birtherism came out of the Hillary Clinton 2008 campaign. Lil Donnie missed the cease order when that campaign stopped.

Wait.

I knew i heard something like this before.

Gauthier wrote:Lots of people died when Gabby Giffords got shot and her brain was damaged, but damn, nobody was crying and gnashing their teeth about a right-wing conspiracy to kill off the left.

Washington Resistance Army wrote:

Neo Balka wrote:

Wait.

I knew i heard something like this before.

Specifically the birther thing came from the PUMA's, die-hard Clinton supporters that were pretty much the Bernie or Bust people from her base.

Washington Resistance Army wrote:

Neo Balka wrote:

Wait.

I knew i heard something like this before.

Specifically the birther thing came from the PUMA's, die-hard Clinton supporters that were pretty much the Bernie or Bust people from her base.

Neo Balka wrote:

Nulla Bellum wrote:
Birtherism came out of the Hillary Clinton 2008 campaign. Lil Donnie missed the cease order when that campaign stopped.

Wait.

I knew i heard something like this before.

Catochristoferson wrote:A lot of right wing people defend their gun rights by saying "we need to protect ourselves from the tyrannical government". But when it actually happens, they complain about "terrorism", especially when the shooter is black or left wing.

I don't get this contradiction.

Neo Balka wrote:

Catochristoferson wrote:
1) Free Territory was a thing.
2) Catolonia was a thing.
3) Communism is a stateless, moneyless, classless society.
3) The USSR never claimed to be communist. They claimed to be socialist. According to Marxist Leninist theory, socialism is supposed to be the transition state to communism. Of course, in real life that "transition" never happened, but I guess that was supposedly the idea.

And no, the media is not promoting violence against anyone. They are promoting #resistance, but calling your senators and having the police escort you while you're protesting isn't really protesting anything.

Their destruction was righteous as it was needed.

Gauthier wrote:

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Specifically the birther thing came from the PUMA's, die-hard Clinton supporters that were pretty much the Bernie or Bust people from her base.

Which apparently is the same thing as Clinton coming up with the idea of saying Obama is an Illegal Kenyan Muslim.

Neo Balka wrote:

Gauthier wrote:Which apparently is the same thing as Clinton coming up with the idea of saying Obama is an Illegal Kenyan Muslim.

Wouldnt be too surprised if she thought that too once in awhile.