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Postby Mavorpen » Fri Jun 16, 2017 4:57 pm

Luminesa wrote:That's the point. Nothing you have said about your political affiliation has any relevance.

I was responding to a specific post about my "political affiliation" and therefore I made a post about my "political affiliation." Not once did I say that it is ultimately related to the thread. Again, literally the only reason whatsoever why my "political affiliation" is being brought up is because you people keep whining about it. Follow your own belief that it's irrelevant and stop talking about it. Enough.
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Postby Luminesa » Fri Jun 16, 2017 5:00 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Luminesa wrote:That's the point. Nothing you have said about your political affiliation has any relevance.

I was responding to a specific post about my "political affiliation" and therefore I made a post about my "political affiliation." Not once did I say that it is ultimately related to the thread. Again, literally the only reason whatsoever why my "political affiliation" is being brought up is because you people keep whining about it. Follow your own belief that it's irrelevant and stop talking about it. Enough.

Then you don't go around changing peoples' posts to say Bernie Sanders is right-wing. Kay? And you don't write about how you happen to be more left-wing than Stalin. Literally nobody cares.
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Postby Mavorpen » Fri Jun 16, 2017 5:02 pm

Luminesa wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:I was responding to a specific post about my "political affiliation" and therefore I made a post about my "political affiliation." Not once did I say that it is ultimately related to the thread. Again, literally the only reason whatsoever why my "political affiliation" is being brought up is because you people keep whining about it. Follow your own belief that it's irrelevant and stop talking about it. Enough.

Then you don't go around changing peoples' posts to say Bernie Sanders is right-wing. Kay?

No.
Luminesa wrote: And you don't write about how you happen to be more left-wing than Stalin. Literally nobody cares.

That's great. Why are you still talking about something you supposedly don't care about?
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Fri Jun 16, 2017 5:03 pm

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Postby Nulla Bellum » Fri Jun 16, 2017 5:13 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Nulla Bellum wrote:
Nobody cares that you're left-wing more than you.

I'd agree if you people wouldn't wine about it every page.

Seriously, get over it already and move on.


Get over what? You're the one running around afraid to admit that the shooter was likely more far left-wing than you or Bernie due to his willingness to take direct action.

Go air out your Birkenstockz elsewhere, piker.
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Postby Mavorpen » Fri Jun 16, 2017 5:17 pm

Nulla Bellum wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:I'd agree if you people wouldn't wine about it every page.

Seriously, get over it already and move on.


Get over what? You're the one running around afraid to admit that the shooter was likely more far left-wing than you or Bernie due to his willingness to take direct action.

Go air out your Birkenstockz elsewhere, piker.

Have you gotten the whining out of your system now, so that the thread can continue on topic?
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Postby Nulla Bellum » Fri Jun 16, 2017 5:26 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Nulla Bellum wrote:
Get over what? You're the one running around afraid to admit that the shooter was likely more far left-wing than you or Bernie due to his willingness to take direct action.

Go air out your Birkenstockz elsewhere, piker.

Have you gotten the whining out of your system now, so that the thread can continue on topic?


Sure.

Given the overwhelming majority of assassins and would be assassins that have killed / attacked American elected officials have been left-wing, in what way can American leftists alter their rhetoric so as to not agitate the weaker and more unhealthy minds among them into violence?
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Postby Mavorpen » Fri Jun 16, 2017 5:29 pm

Nulla Bellum wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:Have you gotten the whining out of your system now, so that the thread can continue on topic?


Sure.

Given the overwhelming majority of assassins and would be assassins that have killed / attacked American elected officials have been left-wing, in what way can American leftists alter their rhetoric so as to not agitate the weaker and more unhealthy minds among them into violence?

The first step is making them into an actual leftist. From there, not much else can be done.
"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."—former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman

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Postby Nulla Bellum » Fri Jun 16, 2017 5:54 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Nulla Bellum wrote:
Sure.

Given the overwhelming majority of assassins and would be assassins that have killed / attacked American elected officials have been left-wing, in what way can American leftists alter their rhetoric so as to not agitate the weaker and more unhealthy minds among them into violence?

The first step is making them into an actual leftist. From there, not much else can be done.


You should have already noticed the ubiquitous disinterest in your No True Leftist fallacy.

Leon Czolgosz wasn't an "actual leftist?" Lee Harvey Oswald? Dan White? Severino Di Giovanni? Squeaky Fromme? Carlo Vadonoci? James Lee? The Weather Underground?
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Postby Mavorpen » Fri Jun 16, 2017 5:57 pm

Nulla Bellum wrote:You should have already noticed the ubiquitous disinterest in your No True Leftist fallacy.

Okay. Do you have a response of substance, or are you just going to continue using terms you don't understand?
"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."—former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman

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Postby Geilinor » Fri Jun 16, 2017 6:00 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Nulla Bellum wrote:You should have already noticed the ubiquitous disinterest in your No True Leftist fallacy.

Okay. Do you have a response of substance, or are you just going to continue using terms you don't understand?

Socialism is a left-wing ideology but you expect us to believe that democratic socialism is right-wing. That is disingenuous.
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Postby Olerand » Fri Jun 16, 2017 6:01 pm

A tragic event, but one that was simply unavoidable in the toxic waste dump that American politics have become.
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Postby Mavorpen » Fri Jun 16, 2017 6:03 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:Okay. Do you have a response of substance, or are you just going to continue using terms you don't understand?

Socialism is a left-wing ideology but you expect us to believe that democratic socialism is right-wing. That is disingenuous.

I expect no such thing. Hodgkinson stating that he's a democratic socialist doesn't mean he's a socialist. This is evident by Bernie labeling himself as one despite actually being a social democrat. This is why I asked if he had any Facebook posts about socialist ideology rather than just calling himself a democratic socialist.
"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."—former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman

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Postby Geilinor » Fri Jun 16, 2017 6:06 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Geilinor wrote:Socialism is a left-wing ideology but you expect us to believe that democratic socialism is right-wing. That is disingenuous.

I expect no such thing. Hodgkinson stating that he's a democratic socialist doesn't mean he's a socialist. This is evident by Bernie labeling himself as one despite actually being a social democrat. This is why I asked if he had any Facebook posts about socialist ideology rather than just calling himself a democratic socialist.

Social democrats are not right-wing either.
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Postby Mavorpen » Fri Jun 16, 2017 6:08 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:I expect no such thing. Hodgkinson stating that he's a democratic socialist doesn't mean he's a socialist. This is evident by Bernie labeling himself as one despite actually being a social democrat. This is why I asked if he had any Facebook posts about socialist ideology rather than just calling himself a democratic socialist.

Social democrats are not right-wing either.

If you choose to believe that, fine. I'm not getting into this again for another threadjack. Take it to the leftist thread if you want.
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"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."—former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman

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Postby Olerand » Fri Jun 16, 2017 6:09 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:I expect no such thing. Hodgkinson stating that he's a democratic socialist doesn't mean he's a socialist. This is evident by Bernie labeling himself as one despite actually being a social democrat. This is why I asked if he had any Facebook posts about socialist ideology rather than just calling himself a democratic socialist.

Social democrats are not right-wing either.

Debatable for some leftists. For many on the far-left, and even some on the radical left, the Communist rhetoric of pre-WWII is making a comeback, and everyone who's not at least a democratic socialist is a social-traitor.
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Postby Kramania » Fri Jun 16, 2017 6:13 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Geilinor wrote:Social democrats are not right-wing either.

If you choose to believe that, fine. I'm not getting into this again for another threadjack. Take it to the leftist thread if you want.

Lol. Another communist declaring that anyone right of Stalin is right-wing. Good lord. The cancer.
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Postby Ifreann » Fri Jun 16, 2017 6:21 pm

Kramania wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:If you choose to believe that, fine. I'm not getting into this again for another threadjack. Take it to the leftist thread if you want.

Lol. Another communist declaring that anyone right of Stalin is right-wing. Good lord. The cancer.

Lol. More people not getting it.

Come on. Don't you want to join the ranks of those who get it but pretend they don't?

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Postby Nulla Bellum » Fri Jun 16, 2017 6:24 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Nulla Bellum wrote:You should have already noticed the ubiquitous disinterest in your No True Leftist fallacy.

Okay. Do you have a response of substance, or are you just going to continue using terms you don't understand?


I suspect your inability to respond to substance is merely a symptom of whatever is deluding you into believing you are the arbiter of political attribution or capable of educating anyone.

Show's over, piker. Hit the road.
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Postby Kramania » Fri Jun 16, 2017 6:25 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Kramania wrote:Lol. Another communist declaring that anyone right of Stalin is right-wing. Good lord. The cancer.

Lol. More people not getting it.

Come on. Don't you want to join the ranks of those who get it but pretend they don't?

I'm guessing your definition of "getting it" is warped beyond belief so, no, not really.
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Postby Mavorpen » Fri Jun 16, 2017 6:28 pm

Nulla Bellum wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:Okay. Do you have a response of substance, or are you just going to continue using terms you don't understand?


I suspect your inability to respond to substance is merely a symptom of whatever is deluding you into believing you are the arbiter of political attribution or capable of educating anyone.

Show's over, piker. Hit the road.

So that's a no, you don't have anything of substance to reply to my post with. That's all you had to say.
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Ifreann wrote:Lol. More people not getting it.

Come on. Don't you want to join the ranks of those who get it but pretend they don't?

I'm guessing your definition of "getting it" is warped beyond belief so, no, not really.

Oh shit, Ifreann, your ebil lefty Stalinist bias got exposed. Better pack it up.
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Postby Kramania » Fri Jun 16, 2017 6:34 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Nulla Bellum wrote:
I suspect your inability to respond to substance is merely a symptom of whatever is deluding you into believing you are the arbiter of political attribution or capable of educating anyone.

Show's over, piker. Hit the road.

So that's a no, you don't have anything of substance to reply to my post with. That's all you had to say.

Why are you whining about substance when you've said nothing substantive yourself?

Kramania wrote:I'm guessing your definition of "getting it" is warped beyond belief so, no, not really.

Oh shit, Ifreann, your ebil lefty Stalinist bias got exposed. Better pack it up.

No. Your warped, skewed definitions of left-wing and right-wing got exposed. There's a difference. Oh, and address me directly, please. Not through your NS buddies.
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Postby The American Commonwealth » Fri Jun 16, 2017 6:35 pm

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Postby Mavorpen » Fri Jun 16, 2017 6:36 pm

Kramania wrote:Why are you whining about substance when you've said nothing substantive yourself?

Again, I'm not sure why I'm expected to respond to shit-post tier posts with substance. I need something to respond to, and the generic whining about me being left-wing do not qualify.
Kramania wrote:No. Your warped, skewed definitions of left-wing and right-wing got exposed.

Oh shit, Ifreann. Lefties exposed yet again.
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