US Representative Shot

[Nulla Bellum]

Mavs insistence on making him a right winger seems to indicate in their warped fucking mind, leftists cant be terrorists.

It's the everyone who isn't to the left of me is right wing

Hand in hand with that is the everyone that is obviously more intelligent than him needs his education.

[Neo Balka]

It's the everyone who isn't to the left of me is right wing

Stalin is right of me and I consider him left-wing.

Maybe you shouldn't make shit up about what I believe based on your own ignorance.

How fucking terrifying.

[Nulla Bellum]

Stalin is right of me and I consider him left-wing.

Maybe you shouldn't make shit up about what I believe based on your own ignorance.

How fucking terrifying.

Probably still tries to cut you off in traffic right up until the reason for the Left Lane Closed signs you've passed for the last mile blocks his progress.

[Torrocca]

Stalin is right of me and I consider him left-wing.

Maybe you shouldn't make shit up about what I believe based on your own ignorance.

How fucking terrifying.

Why? Is it because being far left implies he's going to gulag everyone so hard you'd've wished for Stalin, or some other, probably completely stupid reason?

[Nulla Bellum]

How fucking terrifying.

Why? Is it because being far left implies he's going to gulag everyone so hard you'd've wished for Stalin, or some other, probably completely stupid reason?

It's probably more like his efforts at revising dictionaries confuses heads for blocks of ice.

[Dread Lady Nathicana]

> Person goes to shoot Jim.
> Jim whips around and is armed to the literal teeth.
> Pen behind the ear? Nope. That's a letter-opener and he can stab them with it.
> In his boot? A .22.
> Forget the other boot, he has a gun for a leg.
> But it looks like a boot.
> #GunBoot2020.
> Literally holds out both arms and has an arm cannon strapped to each arm, under the sleeves.
> HAS A GUN STRAPPED TO THE GUNBOOT.
> Pulls a Westminster Rifle out from under his shirt, behind his back.
> #ConcealedCarryHasNeverLookedThisCool

Not quite there yet. I am still waiting for obamacare to cover the leg replacement.

They forgot the beltbuckle gun that whips out with quick hip-thrust, so you can truly be said to be 'shooting from the hip' and all. *nods sagely whilst images of Murdoc Nicols run through head*

On a serious note, doesn't seem like much has changed from yesterday, from what little could be gleamed from an earlier perusal of the news, though the victim seems to have had a worse wound than initially thought. Really would love to see folks not address grievances with murder one of these days, or senseless violence. Still stand by my earlier statement about getting to the root of the problems rather than faffing about with assorted secondary issues caused by them after something happens.

[Sovaal]

Not quite there yet. I am still waiting for obamacare to cover the leg replacement.

They forgot the beltbuckle gun that whips out with quick hip-thrust, so you can truly be said to be 'shooting from the hip' and all. *nods sagely whilst images of Murdoc Nicols run through head*

On a serious note, doesn't seem like much has changed from yesterday, from what little could be gleamed from an earlier perusal of the news, though the victim seems to have had a worse wound than initially thought. Really would love to see folks not address grievances with murder one of these days, or senseless violence. Still stand by my earlier statement about getting to the root of the problems rather than faffing about with assorted secondary issues caused by them after something happens.

I doubt humanity will ever get over it's violent reactions to things we don't like.

[Dread Lady Nathicana]

I doubt humanity will ever get over it's violent reactions to things we don't like.

Not sure we've ever given it a fair shot, to be honest, so ... *shrugs* Easier to ignore, or encourage, or spin, or throw a pittance at it than actually do something about it, neh?

[Sovaal]

I doubt humanity will ever get over it's violent reactions to things we don't like.

Not sure we've ever given it a fair shot, to be honest, so ... *shrugs* Easier to ignore, or encourage, or spin, or throw a pittance at it than actually do something about it, neh?

Well, what would you do to stop it?

[Dread Lady Nathicana]

Not sure we've ever given it a fair shot, to be honest, so ... *shrugs* Easier to ignore, or encourage, or spin, or throw a pittance at it than actually do something about it, neh?

Well, what would you do to stop it?

More or less what I've mentioned before - we need to address mental, physical, and emotional well-being of our populace, need to address living conditions, fair treatment and justice systems, economic and financial stability all around, eradication of corruption across the board, all that. How about 'taking one another's welfare into account rather than putting self above all' that tends to be the prevailing attitude? Get a more positive, inclusive angle going on, top to bottom, and things will get sorted. Happy, healthy, content people don't tend to stir shit up. We'd solve a lot of issues just by taking care of our citizenry rather than seeing how much we can grind from 'em all to support the few at the top. Got a broken system here that needs serious fixing.

[Randsbeik]

Well, what would you do to stop it?

More or less what I've mentioned before - we need to address mental, physical, and emotional well-being of our populace, need to address living conditions, fair treatment and justice systems, economic and financial stability all around, eradication of corruption across the board, all that. How about 'taking one another's welfare into account rather than putting self above all' that tends to be the prevailing attitude? Get a more positive, inclusive angle going on, top to bottom, and things will get sorted. Happy, healthy, content people don't tend to stir shit up. We'd solve a lot of issues just by taking care of our citizenry rather than seeing how much we can grind from 'em all to support the few at the top. Got a broken system here that needs serious fixing.

So, "selflessness" at gunpoint?

It's up to a person to manage their own wellbeing. Not up to me, or the state.

All you'll end up with is people using Lamborghinis instead of vans to plow through crowds.

[Dread Lady Nathicana]

More or less what I've mentioned before - we need to address mental, physical, and emotional well-being of our populace, need to address living conditions, fair treatment and justice systems, economic and financial stability all around, eradication of corruption across the board, all that. How about 'taking one another's welfare into account rather than putting self above all' that tends to be the prevailing attitude? Get a more positive, inclusive angle going on, top to bottom, and things will get sorted. Happy, healthy, content people don't tend to stir shit up. We'd solve a lot of issues just by taking care of our citizenry rather than seeing how much we can grind from 'em all to support the few at the top. Got a broken system here that needs serious fixing.

So, "selflessness" at gunpoint?

It's up to a person to manage their own wellbeing. Not up to me, or the state.

All you'll end up with is people using Lamborghinis instead of vans to plow through crowds.

Where did I say anything about 'at gunpoint'? Seriously, y'all gotta get a bit of a grip there, boyo. We're wasting money on bullshit that we could be spending on actually actively helping people. Where's the problem there? No one can force anyone to be happy, healthy, or content, but providing a method to work towards them rather than having to throw yourself day in and day out at the brick wall of bs bureaucracy we have now sounds a bit of a better path, all in all. Not talking 'We Happy Few' here, ffs. Jebus.

[Luminesa]

> Person goes to shoot Jim.
> Jim whips around and is armed to the literal teeth.
> Pen behind the ear? Nope. That's a letter-opener and he can stab them with it.
> In his boot? A .22.
> Forget the other boot, he has a gun for a leg.
> But it looks like a boot.
> #GunBoot2020.
> Literally holds out both arms and has an arm cannon strapped to each arm, under the sleeves.
> HAS A GUN STRAPPED TO THE GUNBOOT.
> Pulls a Westminster Rifle out from under his shirt, behind his back.
> #ConcealedCarryHasNeverLookedThisCool

Not quite there yet. I am still waiting for obamacare to cover the leg replacement.

*Busts into Obama's house.*

"COVER THE GUNBOOT, YOU QUACK."

[Luminesa]

It's the everyone who isn't to the left of me is right wing

Stalin is right of me and I consider him left-wing.

Maybe you shouldn't make shit up about what I believe based on your own ignorance.

Soooo...you're simply trying to be as edgy as humanely possible. Okay.

Look. Nobody cares how left-wing you wish to place yourself. Your insistence on your doing so, and on placing Sanders to the right of you, when it really doesn't matter, shows two things: you are so insecure about your political standing that you have to shout, in a thread in which a left-winger went and shot a Republican politician, "I'M MORE LEFT-WING THAN HE IS NOT ALL OF US ARE BAD," and that you are uncomfortable about being questioned about such, when people question such. I know legit Communists who still wouldn't place themselves to the left of Stalin, and if they did they certainly wouldn't go shouting about it, in a thread in which it doesn't matter. So now that we have this cleared, do you have anything worthwhile to contribute to this thread?

[Randsbeik]

So, "selflessness" at gunpoint?

It's up to a person to manage their own wellbeing. Not up to me, or the state.

All you'll end up with is people using Lamborghinis instead of vans to plow through crowds.

Where did I say anything about 'at gunpoint'? Seriously, y'all gotta get a bit of a grip there, boyo. We're wasting money on bullshit that we could be spending on actually actively helping people. Where's the problem there? No one can force anyone to be happy, healthy, or content, but providing a method to work towards them rather than having to throw yourself day in and day out at the brick wall of bs bureaucracy we have now sounds a bit of a better path, all in all. Not talking 'We Happy Few' here, ffs. Jebus.

"Gunpoint" generally refers to the fact that public services are funded with tax money. I do agree that that money is being wasted on bullshit (I live in the States). But that money shouldn't just be diverted into welfare instead. It's just replacing shit with shit.

Even if (since there really isn't a guarantee) somebody benefits from the spending, it isn't my responsibility to subsidize it.

[Mavorpen]

Stalin is right of me and I consider him left-wing.

Maybe you shouldn't make shit up about what I believe based on your own ignorance.

Soooo...you're simply trying to be as edgy as humanely possible. Okay.

What?

Look. Nobody cares how left-wing you wish to place yourself. Your insistence on your doing so, and on placing Sanders to the right of you, when it really doesn't matter, shows two things: you are so insecure about your political standing that you have to shout, in a thread in which a leftright-winger went and shot a Republican politician, "I'M MORE LEFT-WING THAN HE IS NOT ALL OF US ARE BAD," and that you are uncomfortable about being questioned about such, when people question such. I know legit Communists who still wouldn't place themselves to the left of Stalin, and if they did they certainly wouldn't go shouting about it, in a thread in which it doesn't matter. So now that we have this cleared, do you have anything worthwhile to contribute to this thread?

Was there any point to this that has any relevance to the thread or was the function just to whine that I'm left wing?

[Thama]

You poor ignorant sod.
How can a whackjob shoot someone if he doesn't have a gun?

I'm not some idiot who wants to take guns away from everyone, I love guns, but that doesn't mean I don't support taking them away from morons like this shooter. Background checks, mental health checks, gun licenses - they greatly reduce gun crime. Look at basically all of Europe bud.

To start, being condescending doesn't win you any prizes.

To actually address your point, you can't really legislate crazy. It really is something of a cliche argument, but it's all about the person behind the gun, and chances are, if they're motivated enough to plot a murder, they're willing to put up with the red tape of black market dealings.

As for European gun crime statistics, most European countries are culturally homogeneous, or share a culture that condemns violence against the innocent. To say that European gun crime statistics are in aggregate lower than those of America pretty much ignores the fact that a.) Most European countries have the population of one or two US states, and b.) America has many more places full of people that don't really mind, or even advocate violence (Detroit, parts of NY, etc.). I doubt giving a gun to a German guy is going to yield the same result as giving one to a Harlem gang wannabe. Europe doesn't really seem to have the same sort of cultural schizophrenia when it comes to aggression.

Except the statistics are as a percentage... So that argument falls apart completely... Wow.
Culturally homogenous? Everywhere west of the Oder River is as varied as the lands on both sides of the Mississippi.

[Zanera]

Soooo...you're simply trying to be as edgy as humanely possible. Okay.

What?

Look. Nobody cares how left-wing you wish to place yourself. Your insistence on your doing so, and on placing Sanders to the right of you, when it really doesn't matter, shows two things: you are so insecure about your political standing that you have to shout, in a thread in which a leftright-winger went and shot a Republican politician, "I'M MORE LEFT-WING THAN HE IS NOT ALL OF US ARE BAD," and that you are uncomfortable about being questioned about such, when people question such. I know legit Communists who still wouldn't place themselves to the left of Stalin, and if they did they certainly wouldn't go shouting about it, in a thread in which it doesn't matter. So now that we have this cleared, do you have anything worthwhile to contribute to this thread?

Was there any point to this that has any relevance to the thread or was the function just to whine that I'm left wing?

What, exactly, makes the shooter right-wing at all in American politics?

[Zakuvia]

What?

Was there any point to this that has any relevance to the thread or was the function just to whine that I'm left wing?

What, exactly, makes the shooter right-wing at all in American politics?

Nothing. And neither was he left-wing. His earlier dealings with the Sanders campaign are a red herring when you consider how openly and vociferously opposed to violence Bernie has been for decades. The man was mentally ill, as his behavior prior to the shooting indicates. That's a bipartisan problem.

[Germanic Templars]

What?

Was there any point to this that has any relevance to the thread or was the function just to whine that I'm left wing?

What, exactly, makes the shooter right-wing at all in American politics?

More likely pro-gun? /facetious

[Dread Lady Nathicana]

Where did I say anything about 'at gunpoint'? Seriously, y'all gotta get a bit of a grip there, boyo. We're wasting money on bullshit that we could be spending on actually actively helping people. Where's the problem there? No one can force anyone to be happy, healthy, or content, but providing a method to work towards them rather than having to throw yourself day in and day out at the brick wall of bs bureaucracy we have now sounds a bit of a better path, all in all. Not talking 'We Happy Few' here, ffs. Jebus.

"Gunpoint" generally refers to the fact that public services are funded with tax money. I do agree that that money is being wasted on bullshit (I live in the States). But that money shouldn't just be diverted into welfare instead. It's just replacing shit with shit.

Even if (since there really isn't a guarantee) somebody benefits from the spending, it isn't my responsibility to subsidize it.

Which is why we need to fix how the system works, knock off the waste, and fund things that actually help, actively assist, and benefit the citizenry overall. Some of what you're saying is a bit silly, not to mention selfish. You may not /personally/ benefit from certain systems and services out there, but oddly enough, it isn't all about you. Or me. Or any one individual. Want to be entirely on your own with no ties, no responsibilities? Find yourself some quiet little corner you can claim, and have at it. Otherwise, afraid you're in this boat with the rest of us, and its bail, cut bait, or fish, boyo.

We're more in need of a non-corrupt government getting back to the work of actually serving the country and its citizens rather than itself than some may like to admit. Doesn't mean you ought to be expected to give up all you have in order for it to be redistributed to everyone else, and get back only what the gov determines your 'fair share' is - not suggesting the like, which you seem to be under the delusion that I'd prefer. We've still got to figure out how to survive, together. Like it or not. And with better opportunities, better ability to work for ourselves and provide for ourselves - and others as can be managed when needed, as people do - can't help but think we'll all be a bit better off, without having to do it all at the expense of freedom, or stomping all over others, or their rights.

Don't have all perfect solutions, no - but I know what we're doing isn't working, and we need to be doing something else entirely. Heading in the direction of compassion and solution has to beat greed and wasting time, money, and resources.

[Zanera]

What, exactly, makes the shooter right-wing at all in American politics?

Nothing. And neither was he left-wing. His earlier dealings with the Sanders campaign are a red herring when you consider how openly and vociferously opposed to violence Bernie has been for decades. The man was mentally ill, as his behavior prior to the shooting indicates. That's a bipartisan problem.

Considering the shooter's comments and such, he undeniably has several political values of the American left-wing and constantly denounced conservatives and GOP. Had he been found a conservative/Republican by his environment instead of the other way around, sure, he still might have committed these actions, just against a Democratic baseball team then. I would then identify him as right-wing.
His support for Bernie does seem null, especially after Bernie condemned his actions, nor would I think that Bernie would condone it in any universe.
One thing that might have spurred his actions against the group of Republican Congressmen was his total vilification of the other wing, which seems common in both wings with many people and should be addressed to prevent further violence from either mentally ill people or the mentally healthy.
One thing that definitely spurred his actions was his 'unhingement', although we should hope to prevent further violence that might be fueled, partly if not fully, by political divides.

[Nulla Bellum]

Soooo...you're simply trying to be as edgy as humanely possible. Okay.

What?

Look. Nobody cares how left-wing you wish to place yourself. Your insistence on your doing so, and on placing Sanders to the right of you, when it really doesn't matter, shows two things: you are so insecure about your political standing that you have to shout, in a thread in which a leftright-winger went and shot a Republican politician, "I'M MORE LEFT-WING THAN HE IS NOT ALL OF US ARE BAD," and that you are uncomfortable about being questioned about such, when people question such. I know legit Communists who still wouldn't place themselves to the left of Stalin, and if they did they certainly wouldn't go shouting about it, in a thread in which it doesn't matter. So now that we have this cleared, do you have anything worthwhile to contribute to this thread?

Was there any point to this that has any relevance to the thread or was the function just to whine that I'm left wing?

Nobody cares that you're left-wing more than you, or that you are more left-wing than Robespierre.

[Mavorpen]

What?

Was there any point to this that has any relevance to the thread or was the function just to whine that I'm left wing?

Nobody cares that you're left-wing more than you.

I'd agree if you people wouldn't wine about it every page.

Seriously, get over it already and move on.

[Luminesa]

Soooo...you're simply trying to be as edgy as humanely possible. Okay.

What?

Look. Nobody cares how left-wing you wish to place yourself. Your insistence on your doing so, and on placing Sanders to the right of you, when it really doesn't matter, shows two things: you are so insecure about your political standing that you have to shout, in a thread in which a leftright-winger went and shot a Republican politician, "I'M MORE LEFT-WING THAN HE IS NOT ALL OF US ARE BAD," and that you are uncomfortable about being questioned about such, when people question such. I know legit Communists who still wouldn't place themselves to the left of Stalin, and if they did they certainly wouldn't go shouting about it, in a thread in which it doesn't matter. So now that we have this cleared, do you have anything worthwhile to contribute to this thread?

Was there any point to this that has any relevance to the thread or was the function just to whine that I'm left wing?

That's the point. Nothing you have said about your political affiliation has any relevance. Why do you need to declare that you are even more left-wing than Stalin? Is this supposed to be a good thing? That you're even more communist than a man who made it his life's work to uphold communism (in arguably its most violent form)? Second of all, why do you presume that other people care how left-wing you are? I could care less, your political affiliation means literally nothing to me.

And furthermore. Why do you need to change my post to say that Bernie Sanders, a left-wing candidate, is a right-wing candidate? Does his stance as a left-winger who fell behind Hillary bother you in some way? If so, perhaps you need to focus on him, and not on changing everyone's posts to try and follow your own self-centered definition of "left-wing". I can assure you, there are left-wingers here who wouldn't appreciate being called "right-wing".