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Postby Major-Tom » Thu Jun 15, 2017 9:45 pm

Neo Balka wrote:
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Yeah - Mav shouldn't insist he was right wing to fit his own ideology. He also supported Sanders, no? I mean - all sides can do terrible things, I think that's something we have to recognize. I support Mr. Sanders, and I recognize, that yes, sometimes people on our side can do bad shit.


you'd be the first to do so.


Not really. Anecdote here, I was hanging with someone earlier today, and she's a major Sanders supporting leftie. Flaming leftie, really. Even she was pretty sickened.

We just need people to admit that people from all sides can pull some stupid shit, because nutjobs are everywhere.

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Postby Nulla Bellum » Thu Jun 15, 2017 9:52 pm

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Nulla Bellum wrote:
Sweet!

So, this leftright-wing nutbag shoots up a Republican baseball practice, and injures a Congressman...

Which has a morbidly hilarious side to it considering a twitter comment Rand Paul made about a year ago.


So far you've maliciously edited my quotes twice in this thread, atop your self-confessed threadjacking, atop badgering and insulting the intellect of other posters you presume to "educate," atop flouting the explicit forum rules against using echo-parentheses. Surely you're capable of diversifying into breaking the other forum rules.

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Postby Nulla Bellum » Thu Jun 15, 2017 10:09 pm

Major-Tom wrote:
Neo Balka wrote:
you'd be the first to do so.


Not really. Anecdote here, I was hanging with someone earlier today, and she's a major Sanders supporting leftie. Flaming leftie, really. Even she was pretty sickened.

We just need people to admit that people from all sides can pull some stupid shit, because nutjobs are everywhere.


Indeed. And the nutjob in question currently, was left-wing. I don't see the controversy in admitting that. It's not like anyone would get all reactionary about the idea that there's more than one ideology on the left.
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Postby Zanera » Thu Jun 15, 2017 10:23 pm

Sovaal wrote:
Major-Tom wrote:
Yeah - Mav shouldn't insist he was right wing to fit his own ideology. He also supported Sanders, no? I mean - all sides can do terrible things, I think that's something we have to recognize. I support Mr. Sanders, and I recognize, that yes, sometimes people on our side can do bad shit.

With how decisive American politics is nowadays it seems that the view that the opposition is the only side capable of doing wrong is only to become more and more common.


That already seems common.

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Postby Major-Tom » Thu Jun 15, 2017 10:32 pm

Sovaal wrote:
Major-Tom wrote:
Yeah - Mav shouldn't insist he was right wing to fit his own ideology. He also supported Sanders, no? I mean - all sides can do terrible things, I think that's something we have to recognize. I support Mr. Sanders, and I recognize, that yes, sometimes people on our side can do bad shit.

With how decisive American politics is nowadays it seems that the view that the opposition is the only side capable of doing wrong is only to become more and more common.


Exactly. And I'll admit, I use rhetoric all the time, I'm totally guilty of it. I was watching the news this morning and said to my friend "fuck Republicans." Then I realized, "y'know what no, I can't just say shit like that, I'm just pissed because stuff I don't like is happening."

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Postby Vince Vaughn » Fri Jun 16, 2017 12:00 am

If the shooter were a Muslim or a conservative white male, everyone's reactions to this would be very different, let's be honest.
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Postby Telconi » Fri Jun 16, 2017 12:10 am

Vince Vaughn wrote:If the shooter were a Muslim or a conservative white male, everyone's reactions to this would be very different, let's be honest.


No it wouldn't, let's actually be honest.
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Postby Gauthier » Fri Jun 16, 2017 12:13 am

Vince Vaughn wrote:If the shooter were a Muslim or a conservative white male, everyone's reactions to this would be very different, let's be honest.

Conservative white male shooting Republicans. Yeeeah.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Fri Jun 16, 2017 12:15 am

Gauthier wrote:
Vince Vaughn wrote:If the shooter were a Muslim or a conservative white male, everyone's reactions to this would be very different, let's be honest.

Conservative white male shooting Republicans. Yeeeah.


Wouldn't be the craziest thing ever. People with the same types of beliefs kill each other all the time.

Look at the various strains of extremist Islam who hate the shit out of each other.
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Postby Vince Vaughn » Fri Jun 16, 2017 12:32 am

Gauthier wrote:
Vince Vaughn wrote:If the shooter were a Muslim or a conservative white male, everyone's reactions to this would be very different, let's be honest.

Conservative white male shooting Republicans. Yeeeah.


That has literally been postulated in this thread.
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Postby Vince Vaughn » Fri Jun 16, 2017 12:33 am

Telconi wrote:
Vince Vaughn wrote:If the shooter were a Muslim or a conservative white male, everyone's reactions to this would be very different, let's be honest.


No it wouldn't, let's actually be honest.


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Postby Nulla Bellum » Fri Jun 16, 2017 2:31 am

Vince Vaughn wrote:If the shooter were a Muslim or a conservative white male, everyone's reactions to this would be very different, let's be honest.


It'd be fishy. Murders and attempted murders of American elected officials has historically been mostly a leftist thing.

Random disco or abortion clinic? Muslim or conservative comes to mind. Attacking / killing American elected officials? Look left.
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Postby Mavorpen » Fri Jun 16, 2017 3:52 am

Neo Balka wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:Which has a morbidly hilarious side to it considering a twitter comment Rand Paul made about a year ago.


You do know that the retard supported sanders....right?

Show me where I said he supported Rand Paul.

Nulla Bellum wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:Which has a morbidly hilarious side to it considering a twitter comment Rand Paul made about a year ago.


So far you've maliciously edited my quotes twice in this thread, atop your self-confessed threadjacking, atop badgering and insulting the intellect of other posters you presume to "educate," atop flouting the explicit forum rules against using echo-parentheses. Surely you're capable of diversifying into breaking the other forum rules.

Hurry!

If you're going to try to threadjack again, you should probably go actually read the rules about "malicious editing."
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Postby Mavorpen » Fri Jun 16, 2017 3:57 am

Major-Tom wrote:
Neo Balka wrote:
Mavs insistence on making him a right winger seems to indicate in their warped fucking mind, leftists cant be terrorists.


Yeah - Mav shouldn't insist he was right wing to fit his own ideology. He also supported Sanders, no? I mean - all sides can do terrible things, I think that's something we have to recognize. I support Mr. Sanders, and I recognize, that yes, sometimes people on our side can do bad shit.

I stated such because of facts, not because of trying to fit some "ideology." The only people doing that are people on the "other side " if I really wanted to do this, I would deny he was a Sanders supporter altogether--because so was I. I just recognize that being a Sanders supporter doesn't in any wy, shape, or form make you a leftist. It's not difficult to grasp and has nothing to do with keeping an ideology pure or some nonsense.

EDIT: I didn't even argue he was right wing, I argued he's a generic centrist. The only reason I edited the post to "right-wing" was because he's closer to the right and it would be more accurate.
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"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."—former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman

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Postby Ifreann » Fri Jun 16, 2017 5:47 am

Neo Balka wrote:
Major-Tom wrote:
the point is he was a terrorist. clearly not too there mentally, and he had strong political convictions. we can cherrypick to make 'our side' look more innocent, but the fact is, the polarized environment of politics certainly contributed to what he did.


Mavs insistence on making him a right winger seems to indicate in their warped fucking mind, leftists cant be terrorists.

Am I really the only one who grokked what Mavorpen was getting at?

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Postby Mavorpen » Fri Jun 16, 2017 5:50 am

Ifreann wrote:
Neo Balka wrote:
Mavs insistence on making him a right winger seems to indicate in their warped fucking mind, leftists cant be terrorists.

Am I really the only one who grokked what Mavorpen was getting at?

No, no, my argument was clearly that anyone who does anything bad is a right-winger.

I insulted someone yesterday, therefore I'm a right-winger. *nods*
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Postby Ifreann » Fri Jun 16, 2017 6:00 am

Mavorpen wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Am I really the only one who grokked what Mavorpen was getting at?

No, no, my argument was clearly that anyone who does anything bad is a right-winger.

I insulted someone yesterday, therefore I'm a right-winger. *nods*

Mr. Rogers is the only true left-winger.

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Postby Mavorpen » Fri Jun 16, 2017 6:21 am

Ifreann wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:No, no, my argument was clearly that anyone who does anything bad is a right-winger.

I insulted someone yesterday, therefore I'm a right-winger. *nods*

Mr. Rogers is the only true left-winger.

I wouldn't be so sure about that.
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"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."—former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman

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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Jun 16, 2017 6:21 am

Neo Balka wrote:
Major-Tom wrote:
the point is he was a terrorist. clearly not too there mentally, and he had strong political convictions. we can cherrypick to make 'our side' look more innocent, but the fact is, the polarized environment of politics certainly contributed to what he did.


Mavs insistence on making him a right winger seems to indicate in their warped fucking mind, leftists cant be terrorists.

It's the everyone who isn't to the left of me is right wing
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Postby Thermodolia » Fri Jun 16, 2017 6:22 am

Mavorpen wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Mr. Rogers is the only true left-winger.

I wouldn't be so sure about that.

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Postby Imperializt Russia » Fri Jun 16, 2017 6:22 am

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Because the two are not actually comparable. Voting is not like owning a gun.


It is a right to own a gun here in Freedomstan, it's a pretty fair question.

Why should I have to pay $50 per background check? Does that not unfairly prevent the poor from exercising their right to bear arms?

Should've thought of that before getting on the capitalism train.

While the argument is valid, firearms are consumer products.
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Postby Ifreann » Fri Jun 16, 2017 6:31 am

Imperializt Russia wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
It is a right to own a gun here in Freedomstan, it's a pretty fair question.

Why should I have to pay $50 per background check? Does that not unfairly prevent the poor from exercising their right to bear arms?

Should've thought of that before getting on the capitalism train.

While the argument is valid, firearms are consumer products.

It's a clear violation of the right to bear arms for guns to cost money. Free guns for all when, Trump?

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Postby Mavorpen » Fri Jun 16, 2017 6:44 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Neo Balka wrote:
Mavs insistence on making him a right winger seems to indicate in their warped fucking mind, leftists cant be terrorists.

It's the everyone who isn't to the left of me is right wing

Stalin is right of me and I consider him left-wing.

Maybe you shouldn't make shit up about what I believe based on your own ignorance.
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Postby Mavorpen » Fri Jun 16, 2017 6:46 am

Thermodolia wrote:

500 internal service error?

Mavorpen wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Mr. Rogers is the only true left-winger.

I wouldn't be so sure about that.

Fixed?
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> Person goes to shoot Jim.
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