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When voter ID schemes tend to be set up in ways that disenfranchise ethnic minorities...

Because everyone knows black people can't be responsible! *scoff*

It's called the racism of low expectations.

10/10 virtue signaling.
"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."—former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman

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Postby Mavorpen » Thu Jun 15, 2017 6:02 pm

Nulla Bellum wrote:Left-wing nutbag shoots at Republican congressmen playing softball.

Discuss.

Based on...?
"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."—former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Jun 15, 2017 6:03 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Nulla Bellum wrote:Left-wing nutbag shoots at Republican congressmen playing softball.

Discuss.

Based on...?


There aren't very many right wingers who self describe as democratic socialists and are huge Sanders fans.
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Postby Mavorpen » Thu Jun 15, 2017 6:05 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:Based on...?


There aren't very many right wingers who self describe as democratic socialists and are huge Sanders fans.

Generally speaking, the ones I've come across have been precisely that.
"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."—former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Jun 15, 2017 6:07 pm

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Washington Resistance Army wrote:
There aren't very many right wingers who self describe as democratic socialists and are huge Sanders fans.

Generally speaking, the ones I've come across have been precisely that.


Generally speaking, none of the ones I've come across have been precisely that.

Literally everything points to him being a left wing nutbag.
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Postby Mavorpen » Thu Jun 15, 2017 6:10 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:Generally speaking, the ones I've come across have been precisely that.


Generally speaking, none of the ones I've come across have been precisely that.

Literally everything nothing points to him being a left wing nutbag.

FTFY.

Unless you have some sources showing him calling for abolition of private property or actual left-wing ideology.
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"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."—former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman

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Postby Ifreann » Thu Jun 15, 2017 6:11 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Generally speaking, none of the ones I've come across have been precisely that.

Literally everything nothing points to him being a left wing nutbag.

FTFY.

Unless you have some sources showing him calling for abolition of private property or actual left-wing ideology.

Look at you, acting like "left" doesn't mean "not Republican".
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Jun 15, 2017 6:11 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Generally speaking, none of the ones I've come across have been precisely that.

Literally everything nothing points to him being a left wing nutbag.

FTFY.

Unless you have some sources showing him calling for abolition of private property or actual left-wing ideology.


Go take a scroll through his Facebook if you're that interested. It was linked a while back and has all sorts of gems.

I particularly liked the one where he said right wingers are pretty much the Taliban.
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Postby Mavorpen » Thu Jun 15, 2017 6:15 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:FTFY.

Unless you have some sources showing him calling for abolition of private property or actual left-wing ideology.


Go take a scroll through his Facebook if you're that interested. It was linked a while back and has all sorts of gems.

I particularly liked the one where he said right wingers are pretty much the Taliban.

Any particular gems of the sorts that I stated?
"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."—former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Jun 15, 2017 6:16 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Go take a scroll through his Facebook if you're that interested. It was linked a while back and has all sorts of gems.

I particularly liked the one where he said right wingers are pretty much the Taliban.

Any particular gems of the sorts that I stated?


Dunno, go find out and report back.
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Postby Mavorpen » Thu Jun 15, 2017 6:17 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:FTFY.

Unless you have some sources showing him calling for abolition of private property or actual left-wing ideology.

Look at you, acting like "left" doesn't mean "not Republican".

Just last week someone told me that conservatives are the true liberals and left-wing and the modern liberals/Democrats have tainted liberalism with their evil "political correctness." It's so hard to keep track these days.

Edited just in case we are not allowed to quote someone using echoes for some reason.
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"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."—former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman

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Postby Mavorpen » Thu Jun 15, 2017 6:18 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:Any particular gems of the sorts that I stated?


Dunno, go find out and report back.

So what you're telling me is that you lied to me about him being left-wing? Because, if you haven't seen what I asked for and yet claimed he's left-wing, then that's the only conclusion I can draw.
"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."—former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman

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Postby Nulla Bellum » Thu Jun 15, 2017 6:22 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Generally speaking, none of the ones I've come across have been precisely that.

Literally everything
nothing points to him being a left wing nutbag.

FTFY.

Unless you have some sources showing him calling for abolition of private property or actual left-wing ideology.


No True Leftist has an intelligible philosophy.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Jun 15, 2017 6:23 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Dunno, go find out and report back.

So what you're telling me is that you lied to me about him being left-wing? Because, if you haven't seen what I asked for and yet claimed he's left-wing, then that's the only conclusion I can draw.


I'm telling you that all the reporting thus far has made him out to be a pretty left leaning individual, given all of his social media supports that as does his family and friends.

I don't really care if you think he's a real left winger™ or not.
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Postby Mavorpen » Thu Jun 15, 2017 6:23 pm

Nulla Bellum wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:FTFY.

Unless you have some sources showing him calling for abolition of private property or actual left-wing ideology.


No True Leftist has an intelligible philosophy.

Could you rephrase this so that it makes sense?
"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."—former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman

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Postby Mavorpen » Thu Jun 15, 2017 6:24 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:So what you're telling me is that you lied to me about him being left-wing? Because, if you haven't seen what I asked for and yet claimed he's left-wing, then that's the only conclusion I can draw.


I'm telling you that all the reporting thus far has made him out to be a pretty left leaning individual, given all of his social media supports that as does his family and friends.

I don't really care if you think he's a real left winger™ or not.

So that's a yes, you did lie.

And I'm well aware that you don't care about reality. That seems pretty evident.
"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."—former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman

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Postby Greed and Death » Thu Jun 15, 2017 6:28 pm

Nulla Bellum wrote:Left-wing nutbag shoots at Republican congressmen playing softball.

Discuss.

Its baseball.

Anyways a crackdown on the left needs to occur most democratic Senators and Congresspersons should be detained in gitmo for national security concerns.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu Jun 15, 2017 6:29 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
I'm telling you that all the reporting thus far has made him out to be a pretty left leaning individual, given all of his social media supports that as does his family and friends.

I don't really care if you think he's a real left winger™ or not.

So that's a yes, you did lie.

And I'm well aware that you don't care about reality. That seems pretty evident.


Yes, I've been had. He was actually an ultraconservative. Obviously No True Leftist™ would do something bad.
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Postby Mavorpen » Thu Jun 15, 2017 6:31 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:So that's a yes, you did lie.

And I'm well aware that you don't care about reality. That seems pretty evident.


Yes, I've been had. He was actually an ultraconservative.

Seems more like a liberal to me.
Washington Resistance Army wrote: Obviously No True Leftist™ would do something bad.

If you say so. I disagree, but if you insist on such an absurd idea, I can't stop you.
"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."—former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman

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Postby Nulla Bellum » Thu Jun 15, 2017 6:38 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Nulla Bellum wrote:
No True Leftist has an intelligible philosophy.

Could you rephrase this so that it makes sense?


Have you tried the brightness knob?
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Postby The Widening Gyre » Thu Jun 15, 2017 6:38 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:So what you're telling me is that you lied to me about him being left-wing? Because, if you haven't seen what I asked for and yet claimed he's left-wing, then that's the only conclusion I can draw.


I'm telling you that all the reporting thus far has made him out to be a pretty left leaning individual, given all of his social media supports that as does his family and friends.

I don't really care if you think he's a real left winger™ or not.


'Left-leaning' being the thing there. Based on what he's written in terms of his politcal views, I think it's pretty safe to put him square in the progressive, populist wing of the Democrats. Left-of-centre sure, but the guy was no Marxist or anarchist or what have you.
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Postby Mavorpen » Thu Jun 15, 2017 6:39 pm

The Widening Gyre wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
I'm telling you that all the reporting thus far has made him out to be a pretty left leaning individual, given all of his social media supports that as does his family and friends.

I don't really care if you think he's a real left winger™ or not.


'Left-leaning' being the thing there. Based on what he's written in terms of his politcal views, I think it's pretty safe to put him square in the progressive, populist wing of the Democrats. Left-of-centre sure, but the guy was no Marxist or anarchist or what have you.

Left of center compared to what? He seems like a generic centrist unless you maintain that the United States represents the entirety of the world/the political spectrum.
"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."—former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman

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Postby The Widening Gyre » Thu Jun 15, 2017 6:43 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
The Widening Gyre wrote:
'Left-leaning' being the thing there. Based on what he's written in terms of his politcal views, I think it's pretty safe to put him square in the progressive, populist wing of the Democrats. Left-of-centre sure, but the guy was no Marxist or anarchist or what have you.

Left of center compared to what? He seems like a generic centrist unless you maintain that the United States represents the entirety of the world/the political spectrum.


I'm being charitable and using American political definitions. Certainly by international standards increasing capital gains taxes, increasing income tax and legalizing marijuana aren't exactly radical positions.
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Postby Mavorpen » Thu Jun 15, 2017 6:45 pm

The Widening Gyre wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:Left of center compared to what? He seems like a generic centrist unless you maintain that the United States represents the entirety of the world/the political spectrum.


I'm being charitable and using American political definitions. Certainly by international standards increasing capital gains taxes, increasing income tax and legalizing marijuana aren't exactly radical positions.

I figured, I'm just being preemptive,
"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."—former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman

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Postby Gallia- » Thu Jun 15, 2017 6:47 pm

The Widening Gyre wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:Left of center compared to what? He seems like a generic centrist unless you maintain that the United States represents the entirety of the world/the political spectrum.


I'm being charitable and using American political definitions. Certainly by international standards increasing capital gains taxes, increasing income tax and legalizing marijuana aren't exactly radical positions.


Increasing taxes today is a highly conservative position, anyway. The only "left" position in that list is legalizing marijuana, I guess, but I'm pretty sure some paleoconservatives are pro-marijuana too.

Nulla Bellum wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:FTFY.

Unless you have some sources showing him calling for abolition of private property or actual left-wing ideology.


No True Leftist has an intelligible philosophy.


It's weird you'd say that since you have an anarcho-capitalist gold/black flag.

Libertarianism itself is a leftist leaning belief system on quite a few metrics, like advocating neo-liberal economic policies. That is something both the Democratic and Republican parties share, too, so they are both leftist/progressive in economic beliefs at their core. It would be difficult to reconcile libertarianism with neoconservatism and paleoconservatism, for one thing, which alienates it from any substantial conservative elements in American politics.

It's much easier to reconcile libertarianism with Silicon Valley techno-progressivism, though, which isn't surprising since libertarianism's root beliefs are leftist.
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