US Representative Shot

[Ifreann]

Difficult to know, given that the latter is dead.

Really?

Unless you know a good medium.

[Grenartia]

OK, so now prove that left-wingers carry out the majority of political violence like you are claiming.

We need to first establish firmly the definitions of left wing, right wing, and political violence itself before we can do that, rather than conveniently ignore, say the violent history of labor unionism in America (left) to declare the right-wing responsible for the "vast majority" of political attacks in America.

Considering the actual majority of American political attacks with the parameter criteria of "attacking politicians or elected officials or law enforcement officers" - the government itself and its functionaries - are overwhelmingly left-wing, I don't think you can expand the criteria of what political violence is to put the right-wing ahead on that scoreboard.

I see you yourself created definitions that allow you to conveniently ignore things like Klan murders, abortion clinic bombers, and the terrorists that forcibly seized a government building, armed to the teeth, to bitch about having to pay taxes, and kept pleading for the American people to "send snacks".

Except, you know, legalized voter suppression and election rigging prevents that. Signed, one of the constituents in his district who's been dissatisfied with him for years.

Do you have proofadoodledoo about election rigging?

I see somebody's not familiar with the concept of gerrymandering. Would it shock you to find out that Steve Scalise's district (the Louisiana 1st Congressional District) is pretty heavily gerrymandered?

Note that in the map of the district in that article, there are 3 portions of land, none of which are actually connected to each other.

[The East Marches II]

I see somebody's not familiar with the concept of gerrymandering. Would it shock you to find out that Steve Scalise's district (the Louisiana 1st Congressional District) is pretty heavily gerrymandered?

Note that in the map of the district in that article, there are 3 portions of land, none of which are actually connected to each other.

I see you had a failure to properly explain what you meant. You should have said gerrymandering instead of election rigging. I thought you meant 100.000 dead people showed up to vote your version of Mayor Daley or something interesting like that. What a buzzkill, I'm disappointed. Don't get people's hopes up with false language. 0/10 do not want.

[Grenartia]

I see somebody's not familiar with the concept of gerrymandering. Would it shock you to find out that Steve Scalise's district (the Louisiana 1st Congressional District) is pretty heavily gerrymandered?

Note that in the map of the district in that article, there are 3 portions of land, none of which are actually connected to each other.

I see you had a failure to properly explain what you meant. You should have said gerrymandering instead of election rigging. I thought you meant 100.000 dead people showed up to vote your version of Mayor Daley or something interesting like that. What a buzzkill, I'm disappointed. Don't get people's hopes up with false language. 0/10 do not want.

What if I told you gerrymandering IS election rigging?

[Conserative Morality]

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What if I told you gerrymandering IS election rigging?

It's not the interesting kind of election rigging.

[Luminesa]

Difficult to know, given that the latter is dead.

Really?

No, but the useless comment had to be made, I suppose.

[Frank Zipper]

Really?

Unless you know a good medium.

Cryogenically freeze him until science enables interrogating the dead.

[Luminesa]

We need to first establish firmly the definitions of left wing, right wing, and political violence itself before we can do that, rather than conveniently ignore, say the violent history of labor unionism in America (left) to declare the right-wing responsible for the "vast majority" of political attacks in America.

Considering the actual majority of American political attacks with the parameter criteria of "attacking politicians or elected officials or law enforcement officers" - the government itself and its functionaries - are overwhelmingly left-wing, I don't think you can expand the criteria of what political violence is to put the right-wing ahead on that scoreboard.

I see you yourself created definitions that allow you to conveniently ignore things like Klan murders, abortion clinic bombers, and the terrorists that forcibly seized a government building, armed to the teeth, to bitch about having to pay taxes, and kept pleading for the American people to "send snacks".

Do you have proofadoodledoo about election rigging?

I see somebody's not familiar with the concept of gerrymandering. Would it shock you to find out that Steve Scalise's district (the Louisiana 1st Congressional District) is pretty heavily gerrymandered?

Note that in the map of the district in that article, there are 3 portions of land, none of which are actually connected to each other.

They said "majority" of political attacks, not "all". There have only been 11/12 abortion-clinic bombings in the history of the United States (I may need to check the stats again).

Also...huh! No wonder that map looks so wonky. XD

[The East Marches II]

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What if I told you gerrymandering IS election rigging?

It's not the interesting kind of election rigging.

^ This

It was pretty mediocre

[Mavorpen]

A union calls a strike against an employer and then union workers physically assault people who cross their picket lines and / or the homes and families of the business owner. Right-wing or left-wing?

Some African-Americans displeased with the outcome of a police incident or court decision begin smashing shop windows and setting fires and blocking highways and attacking any white people they can find. Right-wing or left-wing?

A man shows up at a baseball practice to gun down Republican politicians. Right-wing or left-wing?

A man shows up at a church to kill black people and takes out a Democrat politician. Right-wing or left-wing?

A man anonymously mails bombs to various tech industry leaders and university faculties and demands his extreme environmentalist manifesto be published in major newspapers or more bombs will follow. Right-wing or left-wing?

A self-declared communist leads his church to the jungles of South America to set up a commune and kills a visiting US congressman....

You get the point.

OK, so now prove that left-wingers carry out the majority of political violence like you are claiming.

My source considers Sanders to be left-wing, so whether I believe he's a centrist or not is ultimately irrelevant. Nulla wants to make it about what I believe because of some weird obsession with me.

[Ifreann]

Unless you know a good medium.

Cryogenically freeze him until science enables interrogating the dead.

It's the only reasonable course of action.

[Mavorpen]

Cryogenically freeze him until science enables interrogating the dead.

It's the only reasonable course of action.

Aw... *puts away copy of The Necromantic Ritual Book*

[Ifreann]

It's the only reasonable course of action.

Aw... *puts away copy of The Necromantic Ritual Book*

All True Americans contact the dead with a Ouija board, trademark Hasbro.

[Mavorpen]

Aw... *puts away copy of The Necromantic Ritual Book*

All True Americans contact the dead with a Ouija board, trademark Hasbro.

These fuckers devastated us when they had the means to just contact Optimus after his death the whole time.

[Vassenor]

I see you had a failure to properly explain what you meant. You should have said gerrymandering instead of election rigging. I thought you meant 100.000 dead people showed up to vote your version of Mayor Daley or something interesting like that. What a buzzkill, I'm disappointed. Don't get people's hopes up with false language. 0/10 do not want.

What if I told you gerrymandering IS election rigging?

But it doesn't fit the narrative that people constantly only blame Russian hackers so it can't be rigging.

[Yortium Allanstan]

Personally I don't really care for Scalise or his politics so it's hard to be too upset at his getting shot...

[Gauthier]

What if I told you gerrymandering IS election rigging?

But it doesn't fit the narrative that people constantly only blame Russian hackers so it can't be rigging.

Something Something Russian Gerrymandering.

[Yortium Allanstan]

That america has somehow fallen to fascist dictatorship.

...For democratically voting-in a politician...Okay then.

Who is the puppet of a foreign dictatorship.

[Frank Zipper]

Personally I don't really care for Scalise or his politics so it's hard to be too upset at his getting shot...

Personally I don't want any politicians being murdered simply for being politicians.

[The East Marches II]

But it doesn't fit the narrative that people constantly only blame Russian hackers so it can't be rigging.

Something Something Russian Gerrymandering.

I'd thought you'd be the first to use that as an excuse somebody having lost the election.

[Vassenor]

That america has somehow fallen to fascist dictatorship.

...For democratically voting-in a politician...Okay then.

Remember, America is only a Democracy when it suits the Right Wing.

[Ifreann]

Personally I don't really care for Scalise or his politics so it's hard to be too upset at his getting shot...

Personally I don't want any politicians being murdered simply for being politicians.

I've found that less murder is often preferable.

[Nulla Bellum]

We need to first establish firmly the definitions of left wing, right wing, and political violence itself before we can do that, rather than conveniently ignore, say the violent history of labor unionism in America (left) to declare the right-wing responsible for the "vast majority" of political attacks in America.

Considering the actual majority of American political attacks with the parameter criteria of "attacking politicians or elected officials or law enforcement officers" - the government itself and its functionaries - are overwhelmingly left-wing, I don't think you can expand the criteria of what political violence is to put the right-wing ahead on that scoreboard.

I see you yourself created definitions that allow you to conveniently ignore things like Klan murders, abortion clinic bombers, and the terrorists that forcibly seized a government building, armed to the teeth, to bitch about having to pay taxes, and kept pleading for the American people to "send snacks".

Not really. I just figured the easiest level of defining "political violence" are those attacks that actually were directed at elected officials and their agents, which covers the shooting in the topic of this thread. I have no problem including KKK attacks upon elected officials and their agents. I don't think those will somehow put the right ahead on the political violence scoreboard.

Widening the scope of what "political violence" is to include abortion clinic bombers is certainly as acceptable as including a war protester shooting up a Navy shipyard. Pile it all on. I still don't think we'd get to "the right-wing has done the most political violence in America."

[Nulla Bellum]

OK, so now prove that left-wingers carry out the majority of political violence like you are claiming.

My source considers Sanders to be left-wing, so whether I believe he's a centrist or not is ultimately irrelevant. Nulla wants to make it about what I believe because of some weird obsession with me.

No, it's that you have an indefensibly exclusive definition of "left-wing" that stymies rational discussion. Calling James Hodgkinson "right-wing" despite his known political statements and affiliations indicating the opposite still doesn't get us to the "right-wing has committed the vast majority of political violence in America" even if you crown the pile of actual right-wing political violence with the attack on Scalise.

[Luminesa]

...For democratically voting-in a politician...Okay then.

Who is the puppet of a foreign dictatorship.

...This better be a joke.