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by Grenartia » Mon Jun 19, 2017 6:18 am
Nulla Bellum wrote:Vassenor wrote:
OK, so now prove that left-wingers carry out the majority of political violence like you are claiming.
We need to first establish firmly the definitions of left wing, right wing, and political violence itself before we can do that, rather than conveniently ignore, say the violent history of labor unionism in America (left) to declare the right-wing responsible for the "vast majority" of political attacks in America.
Considering the actual majority of American political attacks with the parameter criteria of "attacking politicians or elected officials or law enforcement officers" - the government itself and its functionaries - are overwhelmingly left-wing, I don't think you can expand the criteria of what political violence is to put the right-wing ahead on that scoreboard.
by The East Marches II » Mon Jun 19, 2017 6:56 am
Grenartia wrote:
I see somebody's not familiar with the concept of gerrymandering. Would it shock you to find out that Steve Scalise's district (the Louisiana 1st Congressional District) is pretty heavily gerrymandered?
Note that in the map of the district in that article, there are 3 portions of land, none of which are actually connected to each other.
by Grenartia » Mon Jun 19, 2017 7:04 am
The East Marches II wrote:Grenartia wrote:
I see somebody's not familiar with the concept of gerrymandering. Would it shock you to find out that Steve Scalise's district (the Louisiana 1st Congressional District) is pretty heavily gerrymandered?
Note that in the map of the district in that article, there are 3 portions of land, none of which are actually connected to each other.
I see you had a failure to properly explain what you meant. You should have said gerrymandering instead of election rigging. I thought you meant 100.000 dead people showed up to vote your version of Mayor Daley or something interesting like that. What a buzzkill, I'm disappointed. Don't get people's hopes up with false language. 0/10 do not want.
by Conserative Morality » Mon Jun 19, 2017 7:07 am
by Luminesa » Mon Jun 19, 2017 7:11 am
by Frank Zipper » Mon Jun 19, 2017 7:12 am
by Luminesa » Mon Jun 19, 2017 7:13 am
Grenartia wrote:Nulla Bellum wrote:
We need to first establish firmly the definitions of left wing, right wing, and political violence itself before we can do that, rather than conveniently ignore, say the violent history of labor unionism in America (left) to declare the right-wing responsible for the "vast majority" of political attacks in America.
Considering the actual majority of American political attacks with the parameter criteria of "attacking politicians or elected officials or law enforcement officers" - the government itself and its functionaries - are overwhelmingly left-wing, I don't think you can expand the criteria of what political violence is to put the right-wing ahead on that scoreboard.
I see you yourself created definitions that allow you to conveniently ignore things like Klan murders, abortion clinic bombers, and the terrorists that forcibly seized a government building, armed to the teeth, to bitch about having to pay taxes, and kept pleading for the American people to "send snacks".
I see somebody's not familiar with the concept of gerrymandering. Would it shock you to find out that Steve Scalise's district (the Louisiana 1st Congressional District) is pretty heavily gerrymandered?
Note that in the map of the district in that article, there are 3 portions of land, none of which are actually connected to each other.
by Mavorpen » Mon Jun 19, 2017 7:27 am
Vassenor wrote:Nulla Bellum wrote:
A union calls a strike against an employer and then union workers physically assault people who cross their picket lines and / or the homes and families of the business owner. Right-wing or left-wing?
Some African-Americans displeased with the outcome of a police incident or court decision begin smashing shop windows and setting fires and blocking highways and attacking any white people they can find. Right-wing or left-wing?
A man shows up at a baseball practice to gun down Republican politicians. Right-wing or left-wing?
A man shows up at a church to kill black people and takes out a Democrat politician. Right-wing or left-wing?
A man anonymously mails bombs to various tech industry leaders and university faculties and demands his extreme environmentalist manifesto be published in major newspapers or more bombs will follow. Right-wing or left-wing?
A self-declared communist leads his church to the jungles of South America to set up a commune and kills a visiting US congressman....
You get the point.
OK, so now prove that left-wingers carry out the majority of political violence like you are claiming.
by Mavorpen » Mon Jun 19, 2017 7:34 am
by Ifreann » Mon Jun 19, 2017 7:37 am
by Mavorpen » Mon Jun 19, 2017 7:42 am
by Vassenor » Mon Jun 19, 2017 7:43 am
Grenartia wrote:The East Marches II wrote:
I see you had a failure to properly explain what you meant. You should have said gerrymandering instead of election rigging. I thought you meant 100.000 dead people showed up to vote your version of Mayor Daley or something interesting like that. What a buzzkill, I'm disappointed. Don't get people's hopes up with false language. 0/10 do not want.
What if I told you gerrymandering IS election rigging?
by Yortium Allanstan » Mon Jun 19, 2017 7:46 am
by Gauthier » Mon Jun 19, 2017 7:48 am
by Yortium Allanstan » Mon Jun 19, 2017 7:54 am
by Frank Zipper » Mon Jun 19, 2017 7:56 am
Yortium Allanstan wrote:Personally I don't really care for Scalise or his politics so it's hard to be too upset at his getting shot...
by The East Marches II » Mon Jun 19, 2017 7:56 am
by Vassenor » Mon Jun 19, 2017 8:01 am
by Nulla Bellum » Mon Jun 19, 2017 8:21 am
Grenartia wrote:Nulla Bellum wrote:
We need to first establish firmly the definitions of left wing, right wing, and political violence itself before we can do that, rather than conveniently ignore, say the violent history of labor unionism in America (left) to declare the right-wing responsible for the "vast majority" of political attacks in America.
Considering the actual majority of American political attacks with the parameter criteria of "attacking politicians or elected officials or law enforcement officers" - the government itself and its functionaries - are overwhelmingly left-wing, I don't think you can expand the criteria of what political violence is to put the right-wing ahead on that scoreboard.
I see you yourself created definitions that allow you to conveniently ignore things like Klan murders, abortion clinic bombers, and the terrorists that forcibly seized a government building, armed to the teeth, to bitch about having to pay taxes, and kept pleading for the American people to "send snacks".
by Nulla Bellum » Mon Jun 19, 2017 8:36 am
Mavorpen wrote:Vassenor wrote:
OK, so now prove that left-wingers carry out the majority of political violence like you are claiming.
My source considers Sanders to be left-wing, so whether I believe he's a centrist or not is ultimately irrelevant. Nulla wants to make it about what I believe because of some weird obsession with me.
by Luminesa » Mon Jun 19, 2017 8:41 am
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