US Representative Shot

[Ifreann]

...Ifreann...this is literally the most basic concept of any democratic election. What are you trying to get at?

That america has somehow fallen to fascist dictatorship.

I mean, is that the rule that tells us whether Scalise is a tyrant or not? Is that rule enshrined in law somewhere?

If the idea is for the people to bear arms against a tyrannical government, surely there are instructions for recognising one.

[Genivaria]

...For democratically voting-in a politician...Okay then.

i mean, by that vein the nazis were elected but then Hitler was appointed.

Thanks germany.

Well...technically yeah the nazi government was democratically elected, Hitler refused any position other than Chancellor, the Reichstag fire happened, Hitler blamed communists and proclaimed the Enabling Act which banned all other parties.
Soooo after doing some quick research the Nazi party was only real backed by 18.25% of the German people in the 1930 election.

[Neo Balka]

That america has somehow fallen to fascist dictatorship.

I mean, is that the rule that tells us whether Scalise is a tyrant or not? Is that rule enshrined in law somewhere?

If the idea is for the people to bear arms against a tyrannical government, surely there are instructions for recognising one.

is the government actively oppressing people at this point and time?

[Genivaria]

That america has somehow fallen to fascist dictatorship.

I mean, is that the rule that tells us whether Scalise is a tyrant or not? Is that rule enshrined in law somewhere?

If the idea is for the people to bear arms against a tyrannical government, surely there are instructions for recognising one.

There really aren't.
Some people genuinely think that Obama was a tyrant, others think the same about Bush.
Both are silly.

[Ifreann]

I mean, is that the rule that tells us whether Scalise is a tyrant or not? Is that rule enshrined in law somewhere?

If the idea is for the people to bear arms against a tyrannical government, surely there are instructions for recognising one.

is the government actively oppressing people at this point and time?

Is that the rule by which you determine tyranny? Is that enshrined in law somewhere?

[Genivaria]

I mean, is that the rule that tells us whether Scalise is a tyrant or not? Is that rule enshrined in law somewhere?

If the idea is for the people to bear arms against a tyrannical government, surely there are instructions for recognising one.

is the government actively oppressing people at this point and time?

Some states, some people, some cities.
The answer would be yes.

[Ifreann]

I mean, is that the rule that tells us whether Scalise is a tyrant or not? Is that rule enshrined in law somewhere?

If the idea is for the people to bear arms against a tyrannical government, surely there are instructions for recognising one.

There really aren't.
Some people genuinely think that Obama was a tyrant, others think the same about Bush.
Both are silly.

So there's no law. Presumably politicians lecture on it. Give speeches, hand out pamphlets, do something to set out their position on what tyranny is.

Or do they really just tell a country with more guns than people to shoot the government when it's tyrannical and then just move on to talking about cutting welfare or invading somewhere?

[Mavorpen]

There really aren't.
Some people genuinely think that Obama was a tyrant, others think the same about Bush.
Both are silly.

So there's no law. Presumably politicians lecture on it. Give speeches, hand out pamphlets, do something to set out their position on what tyranny is.

Or do they really just tell a country with more guns than people to shoot the government when it's tyrannical and then just move on to talking about cutting welfare or invading somewhere?

The true trade secret is to insist that only your specific base's "tyranny" matters.

[Osnil Returns]

Sorry I've been missing all the fun here. You guys have already probably discussed how the intended killer held high-ranking Republican names in his pocket, but here's my rant:

Have you guys talked about how this is what happens when a certain political leaning advocates violence? Yet if the other political leaning advocates violence, it's hate-speech. But since they're double-minded liberals, they can use their right to free speech to advocate shooting Republicans. AND THIS DUDE ACTUALLY DID.

Republicans didn't scream for Democrats to be violently resisted during the eight years of Obama. They peacefully protested. We didn't go screaming "NOT OUR PRESIDENT!" at the top of our lungs, nor did we advocate shooting Democrats. And we sure didn't shoot them at a baseball practice! The closest thing we did to that was demand that HIllary be put on trial for her crimes. When you think about it, "Lock Her Up" does not even compare to "Shoot All Republicans."

[Vassenor]

Sorry I've been missing all the fun here. You guys have already probably discussed how the intended killer held high-ranking Republican names in his pocket, but here's my rant:

Have you guys talked about how this is what happens when a certain political leaning advocates violence? Yet if the other political leaning advocates violence, it's hate-speech. But since they're double-minded liberals, they can use their right to free speech to advocate shooting Republicans. AND THIS DUDE ACTUALLY DID.

Republicans didn't scream for Democrats to be violently resisted during the eight years of Obama. They peacefully protested. We didn't go screaming "NOT OUR PRESIDENT!" at the top of our lungs, nor did we advocate shooting Democrats. And we sure didn't shoot them at a baseball practice! The closest thing we did to that was demand that HIllary be put on trial for her crimes. When you think about it, "Lock Her Up" does not even compare to "Shoot All Republicans."

So where is the violence being advocated?

[Mavorpen]

Sorry I've been missing all the fun here. You guys have already probably discussed how the intended killer held high-ranking Republican names in his pocket, but here's my rant:

Have you guys talked about how this is what happens when a certain political leaning advocates violence? Yet if the other political leaning advocates violence, it's hate-speech. But since they're double-minded liberals, they can use their right to free speech to advocate shooting Republicans. AND THIS DUDE ACTUALLY DID.

Republicans didn't scream for Democrats to be violently resisted during the eight years of Obama. They peacefully protested. We didn't go screaming "NOT OUR PRESIDENT!" at the top of our lungs, nor did we advocate shooting Democrats. And we sure didn't shoot them at a baseball practice! The closest thing we did to that was demand that HIllary be put on trial for her crimes. When you think about it, "Lock Her Up" does not even compare to "Shoot All Republicans."

So where is the violence being advocated?

If right-wing political attacks make up the vast majority of political attacks without advocating for violence, I'd hate to see what the stats would be with them calling for violence.

[Gauthier]

is the government actively oppressing people at this point and time?

Is that the rule by which you determine tyranny? Is that enshrined in law somewhere?

It's tyranny when Republicans say it is, silly.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Sorry I've been missing all the fun here. You guys have already probably discussed how the intended killer held high-ranking Republican names in his pocket, but here's my rant:

Have you guys talked about how this is what happens when a certain political leaning advocates violence? Yet if the other political leaning advocates violence, it's hate-speech. But since they're double-minded liberals, they can use their right to free speech to advocate shooting Republicans. AND THIS DUDE ACTUALLY DID.

Republicans didn't scream for Democrats to be violently resisted during the eight years of Obama. They peacefully protested. We didn't go screaming "NOT OUR PRESIDENT!" at the top of our lungs, nor did we advocate shooting Democrats. And we sure didn't shoot them at a baseball practice! The closest thing we did to that was demand that HIllary be put on trial for her crimes. When you think about it, "Lock Her Up" does not even compare to "Shoot All Republicans."

Where the fuck have you been that you haven't seen the underlined?

I don't know about you, but there were plenty of people during the Obama years that were grating and disrespectful towards Obama, and they even said "NOT MY PRESIDENT!" at the top of their lungs. Not to mention many of them derided and mocked peaceful protests as "oh what a bunch of snowflakes!" and actively have spoken about rebelling towards the government.

Now I don't know about the shooting and whatnot, not going to get into it, but to think that the last 8 years haven't been of conservatives literally shitting on Democrats? No, not really buying it. This has a long tail coming since the beginning of the Obama administration with birtherism and the Tea Party shenanigans. So, no, there's no reason why to think that this doesn't have a background and that all of a sudden people shooting representatives wasn't something we should have seen coming. It's bad that it happened, because I thought that we'd be able to ride the storm without a single attempt at a politician, but we haven't. To be fair, the only thing that's surprising in this event is who did it, not that it happened.

I said it before in these forums, things are just going to get worse before they get any better. The writing was all over the walls.

[Neo Balka]

i mean, by that vein the nazis were elected but then Hitler was appointed.

Thanks germany.

Well...technically yeah the nazi government was democratically elected, Hitler refused any position other than Chancellor, the Reichstag fire happened, Hitler blamed communists and proclaimed the Enabling Act which banned all other parties.
Soooo after doing some quick research the Nazi party was only real backed by 18.25% of the German people in the 1930 election.

Russian hackers!

[Genivaria]

Well...technically yeah the nazi government was democratically elected, Hitler refused any position other than Chancellor, the Reichstag fire happened, Hitler blamed communists and proclaimed the Enabling Act which banned all other parties.
Soooo after doing some quick research the Nazi party was only real backed by 18.25% of the German people in the 1930 election.

Russian hackers!

What?

[Gauthier]

Russian hackers!

What?

He can't pass up screaming RUSSIAN HACKERS at the least pretense. Meme addiction is harder to kick than opioids. At least with opioid addiction you're too numb to say anything.

[Osnil Returns]

Sorry I've been missing all the fun here. You guys have already probably discussed how the intended killer held high-ranking Republican names in his pocket, but here's my rant:

Have you guys talked about how this is what happens when a certain political leaning advocates violence? Yet if the other political leaning advocates violence, it's hate-speech. But since they're double-minded liberals, they can use their right to free speech to advocate shooting Republicans. AND THIS DUDE ACTUALLY DID.

Republicans didn't scream for Democrats to be violently resisted during the eight years of Obama. They peacefully protested. We didn't go screaming "NOT OUR PRESIDENT!" at the top of our lungs, nor did we advocate shooting Democrats. And we sure didn't shoot them at a baseball practice! The closest thing we did to that was demand that HIllary be put on trial for her crimes. When you think about it, "Lock Her Up" does not even compare to "Shoot All Republicans."

So where is the violence being advocated?

It's being advocated everywhere: Media, Hollywood, colleges. ANd I've got sources.
Here's a list of celebrities advocating it: https://needtoknow.news/2017/06/15-celebrities-promoted-violence-donald-trump-gop/
The Huffington Post ADVOCATES Violence in this article. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jesse-benn/sorry-liberals-a-violent-_b_10316186.html
John Griffin, an Art Professor, said that Republicans should be lined up and shot. https://www.bing.com/search?q=john+griffin+republicans+should+be+shot&form=EDGEAR&qs=PF&cvid=4e4dbd733a2744419832bb0a2532091a&cc=US&setlang=en-US&elv=AXXfrEiqqD9r3GuelwApulrl6CyfzKRTSunSGUOpszX*UkgASOY1AotJa2ErrOQNd*KH29vjsqFsnERCjoot1E7a8UYdwAKsINm%21KpseUT95&adlt=strict
And this is not an isolated incident either. These guys are claiming to have received threats that are being ignored. http://www.wnem.com/story/35688314/some-in-gop-say-threats-of-violence-against-them-ignored

[Neo Balka]

What?

He can't pass up screaming RUSSIAN HACKERS at the least pretense. Meme addiction is harder to kick than opioids. At least with opioid addiction you're too numb to say anything.

Hey, im just like MSNBC without maddow.

so im roughly 30% better.

[Gauthier]

So where is the violence being advocated?

It's being advocated everywhere: Media, Hollywood, colleges. ANd I've got sources.
Here's a list of celebrities advocating it: https://needtoknow.news/2017/06/15-celebrities-promoted-violence-donald-trump-gop/
The Huffington Post ADVOCATES Violence in this article. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jesse-benn/sorry-liberals-a-violent-_b_10316186.html
John Griffin, an Art Professor, said that Republicans should be lined up and shot. https://www.bing.com/search?q=john+griffin+republicans+should+be+shot&form=EDGEAR&qs=PF&cvid=4e4dbd733a2744419832bb0a2532091a&cc=US&setlang=en-US&elv=AXXfrEiqqD9r3GuelwApulrl6CyfzKRTSunSGUOpszX*UkgASOY1AotJa2ErrOQNd*KH29vjsqFsnERCjoot1E7a8UYdwAKsINm%21KpseUT95&adlt=strict
And this is not an isolated incident either. These guys are claiming to have received threats that are being ignored. http://www.wnem.com/story/35688314/some-in-gop-say-threats-of-violence-against-them-ignored

Ignoring that Obama set the record for most Presidential threats.

[Gauthier]

He can't pass up screaming RUSSIAN HACKERS at the least pretense. Meme addiction is harder to kick than opioids. At least with opioid addiction you're too numb to say anything.

Hey, im just like MSNBC without maddow.

so im roughly 30% better.

Like you ever watched MSNBC.

[Neo Balka]

Hey, im just like MSNBC without maddow.

so im roughly 30% better.

Like you ever watched MSNBC.

I like ed Schultz.

[Osnil Returns]

It's being advocated everywhere: Media, Hollywood, colleges. ANd I've got sources.
Here's a list of celebrities advocating it: https://needtoknow.news/2017/06/15-celebrities-promoted-violence-donald-trump-gop/
The Huffington Post ADVOCATES Violence in this article. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jesse-benn/sorry-liberals-a-violent-_b_10316186.html
John Griffin, an Art Professor, said that Republicans should be lined up and shot. https://www.bing.com/search?q=john+griffin+republicans+should+be+shot&form=EDGEAR&qs=PF&cvid=4e4dbd733a2744419832bb0a2532091a&cc=US&setlang=en-US&elv=AXXfrEiqqD9r3GuelwApulrl6CyfzKRTSunSGUOpszX*UkgASOY1AotJa2ErrOQNd*KH29vjsqFsnERCjoot1E7a8UYdwAKsINm%21KpseUT95&adlt=strict
And this is not an isolated incident either. These guys are claiming to have received threats that are being ignored. http://www.wnem.com/story/35688314/some-in-gop-say-threats-of-violence-against-them-ignored

Ignoring that Obama set the record for most Presidential threats.

1. You all seem to be attacking me on MY sources. Where's yours?
2. Let me ask you a question: How many of those threats were carried out against Democrats?
A: The only threats that the people made to the Democratic Party about replacing them with their opponents.

[Gauthier]

Ignoring that Obama set the record for most Presidential threats.

1. You all seem to be attacking me on MY sources. Where's yours?
2. Let me ask you a question: How many of those threats were carried out against Democrats?
A: The only threats that the people made to the Democratic Party about replacing them with their opponents.

Assassination threats against Barack Obama

[Catochristoferson]

Ugh, assuming just because i'm left wing must also supposedly mean I support Marxist-Lenninist tyrannies as well.

That's not how it fucking works.

Your words are just that against the record of history.

1) Free Territory was a thing.
2) Catolonia was a thing.
3) Communism is a stateless, moneyless, classless society.
3) The USSR never claimed to be communist. They claimed to be socialist. According to Marxist Leninist theory, socialism is supposed to be the transition state to communism. Of course, in real life that "transition" never happened, but I guess that was supposedly the idea.

And no, the media is not promoting violence against anyone. They are promoting #resistance, but calling your senators and having the police escort you while you're protesting isn't really protesting anything.

[Nulla Bellum]

Honestly, considering the whole idea of Helter Skelter was to start an apocalyptic race war, I wouldn't really call Manson a leftist. That's not a thing leftists want to achieve, generally speaking.

Switch race with class and i'd say it was on the money.

Direct action to provoke a disproportionate reaction, reduced to a generic. Wasn't really interested in plugging in the variables of the formula to suit a particular flavor of collectivist crazy.