US Representative Shot

[Nulla Bellum]

We're so "far right" ... that we feed the truly hungry in the undeveloped world? Damn. I wonder what nice world we'd have if were as liberal and tolerant as France.

The only caricature here is perhaps calling America the "most far right" Western nation when we're subsidizing the welfare (and national defense) of a very large portion of the world at large while France is what? Grumbling about bailing out Greek socialism?

I like the part where this has nothing to do with the topic.

So anyway, this leftist guy showed up at a baseball game the other day and shot a congressman and some staffers, specifically targeted them for their membership in America's dominant right-wing party, his name adding to a fairly large list of attacks upon democratically elected officials carried out by leftists. This isn't to say there isn't a list of American elected officials attacked / killed by a rightist, but in relation to the list of leftists who have attacked / killed American elected officials, the rightist list is remarkably and statistically negligible. When an American elected official, of any political party, is ever attacked / killed, it's a very safe and pro forma prediction the attacker / killer will turn out to be a leftist.

This isn't to say the left or right is more or less violence prone than the other, but specifically looking to violence directed at American elected officials, the left holds that majority. Even if you disqualify the left attacker on left politician violence.

In that light, what is the cause of this violence? Exposure of unhealthy psyches to the revolutionary, anti-government, anti-Establishment rhetoric of the left?

I'm all for returning to the topic. Most of the diversion off topic has been various failed attempts to keep the leftist shooter off that very long list of his fellow leftists that have attacked / killed American elected officials.

[Imperializt Russia]

What, exactly, makes the shooter right-wing at all in American politics?

Nothing. And neither was he left-wing. His earlier dealings with the Sanders campaign are a red herring when you consider how openly and vociferously opposed to violence Bernie has been for decades. The man was mentally ill, as his behavior prior to the shooting indicates. That's a bipartisan problem.

No, that is not indicated.

Sincerely, possibly the leftmost leftwinger ITT.

[Luminesa]

Was just wondering what said map would look like, lol.

I see...how do I explain this?

Okay. Say there's like this big outdoor...thing...like an instillation or a fish hatchery or something. And there's lots of kids there for various reasons. And there's this totally interesting thing and you're trying to learn more about it. But there's all these kids yelling really loud and running around. And you mutter, "I just wanted to learn about fish breeding..." and then one of the kids over hears you so they run over and slap you on the back and yell, "YOU'RE IT!" and you try to explain, "No, look. I'm not playing, I'm here for the fish" and they just start dancing around yelling "YOU CAN'T CATCH ME!"

I don't want to catch you. I don't want to be a prop in your foreplay with some other poster. I don't give a shit about your crusade and have zero interest in proving or disproving your dumbass premises. You could quit jacking each other off, or not. It'd be great if you didn't and maybe just talked about this shooting, but after sixty pages threads go where they go.

But let me be absolutely clear because you thought what you wrote was funny enough to laugh at it yourself. I'm not part of your whole...thing. I'm here for the fish. Go fuck with the other kids.

Come now, fam, if you can't laugh at yourself, then you'll never make it in the real world. This is just general knowledge. Perhaps you are in need of a chill-pill?

[Wallenburg]

I like the part where this has nothing to do with the topic.

So anyway, this leftist guy showed up at a baseball game the other day and shot a congressman and some staffers, specifically targeted them for their membership in America's dominant right-wing party, his name adding to a fairly large list of attacks upon democratically elected officials carried out by leftists. This isn't to say there isn't a list of American elected officials attacked / killed by a rightist, but in relation to the list of leftists who have attacked / killed American elected officials, the rightist list is remarkably and statistically negligible. When an American elected official, of any political party, is ever attacked / killed, it's a very safe and pro forma prediction the attacker / killer will turn out to be a leftist.

This isn't to say the left or right is more or less violence prone than the other, but specifically looking to violence directed at American elected officials, the left holds that majority. Even if you disqualify the left attacker on left politician violence.

I'm sure you have hard numbers to back up this ridiculous claim.

[Mavorpen]

So you did? Tell me what you got then.

I'm glad not all fools can induce suffering.

Perhaps it's the Yiddish? Your No True Leftist fallacy isn't a schtick?

All this time and you still can't find what No True Scotsman means?

[Nulla Bellum]

I'm glad not all fools can induce suffering.

Perhaps it's the Yiddish? Your No True Leftist fallacy isn't a schtick?

All this time and you still can't find what No True Scotsman means?

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Let's see your imitation of a full-wit.

[Mavorpen]

All this time and you still can't find what No True Scotsman means?

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Let's see your imitation of a full-wit.

Come on, it takes 5 seconds.

[Nulla Bellum]

So anyway, this leftist guy showed up at a baseball game the other day and shot a congressman and some staffers, specifically targeted them for their membership in America's dominant right-wing party, his name adding to a fairly large list of attacks upon democratically elected officials carried out by leftists. This isn't to say there isn't a list of American elected officials attacked / killed by a rightist, but in relation to the list of leftists who have attacked / killed American elected officials, the rightist list is remarkably and statistically negligible. When an American elected official, of any political party, is ever attacked / killed, it's a very safe and pro forma prediction the attacker / killer will turn out to be a leftist.

This isn't to say the left or right is more or less violence prone than the other, but specifically looking to violence directed at American elected officials, the left holds that majority. Even if you disqualify the left attacker on left politician violence.

I'm sure you have hard numbers to back up this ridiculous claim.

Yup. Bumpt for longer reply later.

[Fartsniffage]

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Let's see your imitation of a full-wit.

Come on, it takes 5 seconds.

What are either of you gaining from this? Are you actually enjoying it? Because I'm a masochist and this exchange is far too painful even for me....

[Nulla Bellum]

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Let's see your imitation of a full-wit.

Come on, it takes 5 seconds.

Source?

[Mavorpen]

Come on, it takes 5 seconds.

What are either of you gaining from this? Are you actually enjoying it? Because I'm a masochist and this exchange is far too painful even for me....

And this...this is what is known as a masochist that has ascended past a masochist.

[Nulla Bellum]

Come on, it takes 5 seconds.

What are either of you gaining from this? Are you actually enjoying it? Because I'm a masochist and this exchange is far too painful even for me....

Other participants in this thread, from the left and from the right, have also pointed out the No True Leftist fallacy that Mav is desperately trying to ressurrect with mashed potatoes. It's like watching clown porn, without the relatively highbrow bicycle horns. Performance art, I guess.

[Mavorpen]

What are either of you gaining from this? Are you actually enjoying it? Because I'm a masochist and this exchange is far too painful even for me....

Other participants in this thread, from the left and from the right, have also pointed out the No True Leftist fallacy that Mav is desperately trying to ressurrect with mashed potatoes. It's like watching clown porn, without the relatively highbrow bicycle horns. Performance art, I guess.

I'm still waiting on an actual explanation that this fallacy was committed.

[Salandriagado]

1- I am sure you don't. As you do not seek the best system that provides the best outcome for all, but one that will simply not force you to "pay for someone else". It's a different understanding, a different paradigm, and one of the main reasons why America and its right-wing are nowhere near the center.
2- Polls, and Canadian politics, suggest far more of the first than the latter. Outside of Americans spreading this idea, and a few disgruntled Canadian libertarians, I have actually never heard any Canadian complain about their healthcare system and want it privatized, and I have spent quite a lot of time all around Québec.
3- Something that has never been proven, while the opposite has.
4- Like the best cure, death.
5- A belief far from the "center-right", and one that is light-years away from anything even remotely mainstream in the rest of the developed world. Hell, even our radicals aren't this radical.

1.) "Best outcome for all" means little unless you're referring to the system that results in the most satisfied people. You know, free-market healthcare.

Just not true. Also, there are far better objective measures than "satisfaction".

2.) I never mentioned anything about prevalence, and I'll take it with a grain of salt that most Canadians probably do have a positive opinion on their healthcare. Numbers don't negate criticism.

Given that there are vastly more people complaining about private healthcare, and with vastly better reasons? Yes, they do.

3.) Yeah, despite cheap treatment in the days before America's bureaucracy caught up with it doesn't prove possible market success,

Not true. Cheap treatment before they started offering modern treatments.

and short-term benefits and disasters like Soviet healthcare don't mean that single-payer can fail.

Irrelevant.

4.) Are you implying I'm advocating for the mass execution of the poor?

Effectively, yes.

[Nulla Bellum]

Other participants in this thread, from the left and from the right, have also pointed out the No True Leftist fallacy that Mav is desperately trying to ressurrect with mashed potatoes. It's like watching clown porn, without the relatively highbrow bicycle horns. Performance art, I guess.

I'm still waiting on an actual explanation that this fallacy was committed.

And?

[Mavorpen]

I'm still waiting on an actual explanation that this fallacy was committed.

And?

Well if you don't have one, you could have just said so.

[Nulla Bellum]

And?

Well if you don't have one, you could have just said so.

No True Actual Explanation will enlighten you.

[Genivaria]

Well if you don't have one, you could have just said so.

No True Actual Explanation will enlighten you.

That's an adorable cop-out you have there, and dead obvious.

[Nulla Bellum]

No True Actual Explanation will enlighten you.

That's an adorable cop-out you have there, and dead obvious.

Badger pelts are sexy.

[Springstile]

Hopefully this shooting would not provoke any immediate consequence as a lot of things are going on in America, many more things would not help.

[Nulla Bellum]

Hopefully this shooting would not provoke any immediate consequence as a lot of things are going on in America, many more things would not help.

"Where's the kaboom? There was supposed to be an earth-shattering kaboom!" - Charles Manson on propaganda of the deed. Or was that Marvin Martin? I get my leftists confused

[Vassenor]

Hopefully this shooting would not provoke any immediate consequence as a lot of things are going on in America, many more things would not help.

"Where's the kaboom? There was supposed to be an earth-shattering kaboom!" - Charles Manson on propaganda of the deed. Or was that Marvin Martin? I get my leftists confused

You're not making a whole lot of sense here.

[Genivaria]

"Where's the kaboom? There was supposed to be an earth-shattering kaboom!" - Charles Manson on propaganda of the deed. Or was that Marvin Martin? I get my leftists confused

You're not making a whole lot of sense here.

This statement is always true.

[Nulla Bellum]

You're not making a whole lot of sense here.

This statement is always true.

Sigh.

Leftist debate at its finest.

[Vassenor]

This statement is always true.

Sigh.

Leftist debate at its finest.

Says the person posting random youtube videos.