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Postby Vassenor » Fri Jun 23, 2017 9:30 am

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Pretty sure just about everyone in the block was a UK citizen. Also owning a faulty appliance without knowing it is not "set fire to their own home".


They were not citizens. They purposefully sabotaged their appliances though, that has been proven. This was an act of terror and everyone involved WILL be punished


Where was it proven that the appliance was sabotaged?
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Postby Shrilland » Fri Jun 23, 2017 9:32 am

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They were not citizens. They purposefully sabotaged their appliances though, that has been proven. This was an act of terror and everyone involved WILL be punished


Where was it proven that the appliance was sabotaged?


Umm, honey they were members of ISIS. Enough said. I get you love them but they are a terrorist organisation. Let the adults talk, okay?

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Postby Vassenor » Fri Jun 23, 2017 9:32 am

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Where was it proven that the appliance was sabotaged?


Umm, honey they were members of ISIS. Enough said. I get you love them but they are a terrorist organisation. Let the adults talk, okay?


Let's see your evidence.
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Postby Vulgar Bulgar » Fri Jun 23, 2017 9:33 am

Lmao why should I even pay taxes. People were getting council flats in Grenfell and subletting them while I need 140 a week to rent a tiny studio in Stanmore, and these victims still complain about being moved out Kensington because they are too lazy to travel.
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Postby Shrilland » Fri Jun 23, 2017 9:34 am

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Umm, honey they were members of ISIS. Enough said. I get you love them but they are a terrorist organisation. Let the adults talk, okay?


Let's see your evidence.


Let's see yours. Look, I get it's edgy to support terrorism but you're not fooling anyone. We get it, you're out of school for the summer

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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Fri Jun 23, 2017 9:34 am

Shrilland wrote:None of the "victims" had a right to be in any EU country. We need to deport them ASAP. The fact that they set fire to their own home is bad enough, what's next for them? Stabbing people? Bombing? Enough is enough.

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Postby Vassenor » Fri Jun 23, 2017 9:34 am

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Let's see your evidence.


Let's see yours. Look, I get it's edgy to support terrorism but you're not fooling anyone. We get it, you're out of school for the summer


Evidence for what? You're the one claiming that the residents of the tower had links to terrorism. Burden of proof is on you to prove that.
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Postby Shrilland » Fri Jun 23, 2017 9:35 am

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Let's see yours. Look, I get it's edgy to support terrorism but you're not fooling anyone. We get it, you're out of school for the summer


Evidence for what? You're the one claiming that the residents of the tower had links to terrorism. Burden of proof is on you to prove that.


You're the one saying terrorism is helpful to the UK. Burden of proof is on you. I have made no claims while you have made several

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Postby Vassenor » Fri Jun 23, 2017 9:37 am

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Evidence for what? You're the one claiming that the residents of the tower had links to terrorism. Burden of proof is on you to prove that.


You're the one saying terrorism is helpful to the UK. Burden of proof is on you. I have made no claims while you have made several


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Postby Fartsniffage » Fri Jun 23, 2017 9:45 am

Shrilland wrote:
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Evidence for what? You're the one claiming that the residents of the tower had links to terrorism. Burden of proof is on you to prove that.


You're the one saying terrorism is helpful to the UK. Burden of proof is on you. I have made no claims while you have made several


Terrorism stimulates the economy, keeps doctors, nurses and policemen in jobs and provides a smokescreen for our indigenous racists to hate people with a bit of a tan.

Also, I wonder whose puppet you are?

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Postby Ifreann » Fri Jun 23, 2017 10:13 am

Thyerata wrote:
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Pretty sure just about everyone in the block was a UK citizen. Also owning a faulty appliance without knowing it is not "set fire to their own home".


I hate to say this, but Shrilland is right - many of the people in that building had a questionable immigration status - though in light of the tragedy, the Government won't carry out immigration checks on them

It would hardly be a productive use of resources to carry out immigration checks on dead people.
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Postby Risottia » Fri Jun 23, 2017 10:18 am

Shrilland wrote:None of the "victims" had a right to be in any EU country. We need to deport them ASAP. The fact that they set fire to their own home is bad enough, what's next for them? Stabbing people? Bombing? Enough is enough.

Apart from your unsourced, nonsensical claim, two of the Grenfell fire victims were Italian architects. They had more right to be in the EU than any Briton will have once Brexit is completed.
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Postby Farnhamia » Fri Jun 23, 2017 10:23 am

Shrilland wrote:None of the "victims" had a right to be in any EU country. We need to deport them ASAP. The fact that they set fire to their own home is bad enough, what's next for them? Stabbing people? Bombing? Enough is enough.

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Postby Caracasus » Fri Jun 23, 2017 10:27 am

Shrilland wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Pretty sure just about everyone in the block was a UK citizen. Also owning a faulty appliance without knowing it is not "set fire to their own home".


They were not citizens. They purposefully sabotaged their appliances though, that has been proven. This was an act of terror and everyone involved WILL be punished


Evidence please.

You're talking about a fire where people were literally throwing their own children out of windows in the hopes that they'd survive and not get burned to death. To blame this on some evil muslim plot without concrete evidence is frankly a new low - even for NSG.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Fri Jun 23, 2017 10:28 am

Caracasus wrote:
Shrilland wrote:
They were not citizens. They purposefully sabotaged their appliances though, that has been proven. This was an act of terror and everyone involved WILL be punished


Evidence please.

You're talking about a fire where people were literally throwing their own children out of windows in the hopes that they'd survive and not get burned to death. To blame this on some evil muslim plot is frankly a new low - even for NSG.

You are going to have to wait one week for a reply it seems.
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Postby Thyerata » Fri Jun 23, 2017 10:29 am

Caracasus wrote:
Shrilland wrote:
They were not citizens. They purposefully sabotaged their appliances though, that has been proven. This was an act of terror and everyone involved WILL be punished


Evidence please.

You're talking about a fire where people were literally throwing their own children out of windows in the hopes that they'd survive and not get burned to death. To blame this on some evil muslim plot is frankly a new low - even for NSG.

See Farnhamia's post above. We won't be hearing from him for a bit...
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Postby Caracasus » Fri Jun 23, 2017 10:32 am

Indeed!

Must have posted seconds after the Mod. Not usually one to get too involved with such nonsense but this particular incident is a bit close to home for me.
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Postby Farnhamia » Fri Jun 23, 2017 10:34 am

Caracasus wrote:Indeed!

Must have posted seconds after the Mod. Not usually one to get too involved with such nonsense but this particular incident is a bit close to home for me.

That's understandable but one should always keep in mind that the main purposes of trolling are to get you riled up and to get the troll attention.
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Postby Caracasus » Fri Jun 23, 2017 10:36 am

Farnhamia wrote:
Caracasus wrote:Indeed!

Must have posted seconds after the Mod. Not usually one to get too involved with such nonsense but this particular incident is a bit close to home for me.

That's understandable but one should always keep in mind that the main purposes of trolling are to get you riled up and to get the troll attention.


I know Farnhamia. Usually I think before responding to such a troll, sadly in this instance they got the better of me. Thanks once again for your intervention here.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Fri Jun 23, 2017 12:15 pm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-40389148

Well this isn't going to be putting pressure on already stretched social housing resources....

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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri Jun 23, 2017 1:41 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-40389148

Well this isn't going to be putting pressure on already stretched social housing resources....


Better than leaving the folks in those buildings though.
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Postby Vassenor » Fri Jun 23, 2017 3:08 pm

Grenfell tenants 'not exempt from bedroom tax or benefit cap'

So basically even though they have no control over what property they get billeted in, if there's spare rooms they will be taxed accordingly.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Fri Jun 23, 2017 3:11 pm

Vassenor wrote:Grenfell tenants 'not exempt from bedroom tax or benefit cap'

So basically even though they have no control over what property they get billeted in, if there's spare rooms they will be taxed accordingly.


I didn't think bedroom tax was still a thing.

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Postby Frank Zipper » Sat Jun 24, 2017 1:34 am

Emails show Arconic knowingly supplied flammable panels for Grenfell House despite recommending they not be used on buildings taller than 30m.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-brita ... SKBN19F05M
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Postby Minoa » Sat Jun 24, 2017 3:15 am

Source: http://news.camden.gov.uk/fire-brigade- ... ord-tower/

Blashford Tower is declared inhabitable, but fire safety patrols will remain escalated ahead of the panels being removed over the next few weeks.

Camden not taking chances with the panels despite the Taplow fire, based on the composition of the panels.
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