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Do you hate/dislike Muslims or Islam

Yes
57
28%
No
141
69%
I Am Muslim
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Postby Raaj » Fri Mar 19, 2010 1:43 am

Oppresso Liber wrote:Most people do not hate Islam. People only hate Islamic fascism, or the perversion of their religion.

Jihadism, Wahhabism, etc. The fucking terrorists. The Islamic terrorists suck, not Islam.


Lol i agree.. :clap: .but dont u think america has a habit of interfering in everything when it comes to middle east...America & UK always have eyes,ears and nose on the middle east...If middle east people want to kill themselves and fight with each other let them do it...for eg:- Aint we fight in our family? how wud we feel if someone interfres in ur personal matter...moreover most of the muslims out in middle east are uneducated,pissed off due to sand storm and hot climate and to add insult to injury the west interfres in their matters. They are very vulnerable to progandable speeches the fanatics deliver every friday in the mosque. ( I am a muslim i know wat i am talkin ) After Afghanistan,it was Iraq then pakistan and then they had eyes on Syria and recently i've heard they gonna blow some nuclear plants in Iran soon. Like what the heck??Dont u guys have Nuclear bombs? and who doesnt knw how many times they did nuclear testing and destroyed so many Sea plantations in the name of Nuclear tests ( It includes Russia too). I guess People in the West are also more interested in having good peaceful life and least interested in war and bringing the inflation up..cause the Middle and lower class people suffer the most in this..after bush we all thought things wud be different and everything wud be sorted out but NO he is also one of them adding trillions of dollars debt on American people...by still supporting war..do u guys think...its really that hard to find osama?? watever happened to the latest technology...they still cant pin him down? wats takin them so long? think about it.. :)
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Postby Schlauberger » Fri Mar 19, 2010 1:50 am

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North Suran wrote:Because evangelical Christians, orthodox Jews* and bigotted white supremacists will all put aside their differences and join hands to denounce Islam as the greater evil.

*Considering the events of the past century, this is somewhat distressing.


I call BS on the bolded. I was raised orthodox, and I must say that no, orthodox Jews do not generally hate Muslims or Islam. In all my years of attending shul in several different cities, not once have I heard anyone say a bad word about the religion of Islam or regular Muslim people. We may disagree with the way certain Muslim leaders incite their people towards hatred of Jews and Israel, but to even compare that to the hatred put out by the likes of the KKK or John Hagee is insulting. If you are speaking of the Kahanists, then there are only a few dozen left, and it would be more apt to call them by that label instead of as orthodox Jews, especially since they seem to disregard the 6th Commandment.


Can't help but notice that despite Kahanism being outlawed, the Israeli government's settlement expansion policies seem to working in the Kahanists' favor anyways.


Yes, because Israel giving back the Sinai and Gaza Strip and putting a 10 month freeze on new settlements outside of East Jerusalem is definitely something that works in the Kahanists favor. Oh wait...

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Postby Raaj » Fri Mar 19, 2010 4:08 am

UAWC wrote:Islam and its followers are just the new scapegoat that the political right blames its problems on. It was black people in the 1800s, Jews in the early 1930's up 'till mid 40's, it was the FILTHY RED COMMIE PINKOS after that, and now it's the Muslims. Next it will probably be the Mexicans for DEY TUK AR JERBS!!!!!

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Postby Ulu Turan » Fri Mar 19, 2010 4:18 am

i dont dislike the muslims as nearly all people of the nation i belong to are muslims but i am hostile toüard the İslam because it is an arabic, not Turkish religion and it has been used as an instrument to introduce arabic words, values culture over the Turks and other non-arab Muslim peoples.

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Postby Manango » Fri Mar 19, 2010 5:29 am

Minotzia wrote:The major political component of Islamic nations is the sharia law systems that they are regulated by, which are derived from the Five Pillars,.......................Sharia is one of the Five Pillars of the Islamic faith, and though most Muslims would provide a liberal interpretation of this and other controversial aspects of Islam,.......


You have your terminology mixed up. The 5 pillars of the Islamic (sunni) faith are prayer, fasting, Hajj, welfare tax and a belief in one god+prophet. The sharia system is just an interpretation of Islamic jurisprudence and Hadith adapted for political law, because there are not enough political rulings in the Quran to base a system off of.

The real problem is that there are more hadith than it is physically possible for the prophet to have said. It is sectarian and cultural biases that influence the decision on which are valid enough to base your sharia law on. Sunni's like to use Aisha, but you won't find a Shia that would take any of her sayings seriously. And no one knows where the Wahhabi bullshit comes from, but they seem to think it is legit.

Of course in places like Iran, you have to study history and language for years before anyone takes you seriously, so that minimises the amount of batshitcrazy stuff that enters the religion, but when you get people calling themselves Mullah's with no formal education and a huge bunch of sheep, you can get all sorts of problems.

And now you have all sorts of political issues that have nothing to do with religion, screwing stuff up for everyone. There are just too many political and geographical factors to consider before you can blame the theology.
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Postby Vervaria » Fri Mar 19, 2010 6:03 am

UAWC wrote:Islam and its followers are just the new scapegoat that the political right blames its problems on. It was black people in the 1800s, Jews in the early 1930's up 'till mid 40's, it was the FILTHY RED COMMIE PINKOS after that, and now it's the Muslims. Next it will probably be the Mexicans for DEY TUK AR JERBS!!!!!

^This. A scapegoat to justify massive civil liberties infringements and defense spending is usually around in one form or another.
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Postby Nobel Hobos » Fri Mar 19, 2010 6:10 am

Manango wrote:
Minotzia wrote:The major political component of Islamic nations is the sharia law systems that they are regulated by, which are derived from the Five Pillars,.......................Sharia is one of the Five Pillars of the Islamic faith, and though most Muslims would provide a liberal interpretation of this and other controversial aspects of Islam,.......


You have your terminology mixed up. The 5 pillars of the Islamic (sunni) faith are prayer, fasting, Hajj, welfare tax and a belief in one god+prophet. The sharia system is just an interpretation of Islamic jurisprudence and Hadith adapted for political law, because there are not enough political rulings in the Quran to base a system off of.

The real problem is that there are more hadith than it is physically possible for the prophet to have said. It is sectarian and cultural biases that influence the decision on which are valid enough to base your sharia law on. Sunni's like to use Aisha, but you won't find a Shia that would take any of her sayings seriously. And no one knows where the Wahhabi bullshit comes from, but they seem to think it is legit.

Of course in places like Iran, you have to study history and language for years before anyone takes you seriously, so that minimises the amount of batshitcrazy stuff that enters the religion, but when you get people calling themselves Mullah's with no formal education and a huge bunch of sheep, you can get all sorts of problems.

And now you have all sorts of political issues that have nothing to do with religion, screwing stuff up for everyone. There are just too many political and geographical factors to consider before you can blame the theology.


I don't know if you know what you're talking about ... because I don't know enough about Islam to know if you know what you're talking about ...

Could you expand upon Aisha ? A female Islamic scholar ??
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Postby WokaStates » Fri Mar 19, 2010 6:20 am

I don't like islam because many Muslims are extremisms.

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Postby The Black Plains » Fri Mar 19, 2010 6:23 am

Sailsia wrote:I would like to know, where are there such a vast number of people who hate (or strongly dislike) people of Islam. I am a Lutheran Christian, but I have no problem with Muslims, my aunt married an immigrant from Iraq in '98. and hes a Muslim, and hes a perfectly nice guy. I mean, sure, Islam is very different then what the West is used to, but then again, at one point paper was too...

To re-state the question:
why do so many people dislike/hate Muslims?


Well here are the three questions people ask that are a lot like yours:
"Why do you hate muslims, they're people too!?" : Well, we don't. The concern is that the religion of Islam puts forth violence. Like a lot of it. I know what you're going to say "TEH BAIBLEZ DUZ VIOLENZ ToO" yea maybe kinda sorta in a metaphorical sense maybe. That's about as far as you can get. No early jews or christians slaughtered cities of people for no cause like the bible said. It has always been interpreted as metaphorical. Basically if every Christian behaved like Jesus the world would be a better place. If every Moslem behaved like Mohammed then the world would be hellafuckin' scary. They would beat their wives, drown their children, cut off fingers and limbs of people who insulted them... ok well they already do a lot of that. The New Testament DOES say to go forth and conquer other religions... by spreading the word... The Koran says to go forth and... kill people of other religions. Der iz a differenz.

Also: "Only SOME moslems are extremists! Right?" Right only like 2% of muslims are extremists. The other 98% obviously don't stop them.

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Postby Ifreann » Fri Mar 19, 2010 6:29 am

I don't know any muslims, so I don't hate them. Islam is just one more religion.

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Postby Nobel Hobos » Fri Mar 19, 2010 6:33 am

Ulu Turan wrote:i dont dislike the muslims as nearly all people of the nation i belong to are muslims but i am hostile toüard the İslam because it is an arabic, not Turkish religion and it has been used as an instrument to introduce arabic words, values culture over the Turks and other non-arab Muslim peoples.


I like Turkish Baths and Turkish Delight, if that helps ?

I can see how a Turk is uncomfortable with being associated with Arabia, but it might be helpful to point out that the country with the greatest number of self-identified Muslims is on the other side of the world.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Fri Mar 19, 2010 10:23 am

Nobel Hobos wrote:
Manango wrote:
Minotzia wrote:The major political component of Islamic nations is the sharia law systems that they are regulated by, which are derived from the Five Pillars,.......................Sharia is one of the Five Pillars of the Islamic faith, and though most Muslims would provide a liberal interpretation of this and other controversial aspects of Islam,.......


You have your terminology mixed up. The 5 pillars of the Islamic (sunni) faith are prayer, fasting, Hajj, welfare tax and a belief in one god+prophet. The sharia system is just an interpretation of Islamic jurisprudence and Hadith adapted for political law, because there are not enough political rulings in the Quran to base a system off of.

The real problem is that there are more hadith than it is physically possible for the prophet to have said. It is sectarian and cultural biases that influence the decision on which are valid enough to base your sharia law on. Sunni's like to use Aisha, but you won't find a Shia that would take any of her sayings seriously. And no one knows where the Wahhabi bullshit comes from, but they seem to think it is legit.

Of course in places like Iran, you have to study history and language for years before anyone takes you seriously, so that minimises the amount of batshitcrazy stuff that enters the religion, but when you get people calling themselves Mullah's with no formal education and a huge bunch of sheep, you can get all sorts of problems.

And now you have all sorts of political issues that have nothing to do with religion, screwing stuff up for everyone. There are just too many political and geographical factors to consider before you can blame the theology.


I don't know if you know what you're talking about ... because I don't know enough about Islam to know if you know what you're talking about ...

Could you expand upon Aisha ? A female Islamic scholar ??


A'isha bin Abu Bakr. In Spain we have a song about her. She was the last wife of Muhammad. In Islamic writings she is sometimes or more times than not, referred to as the 'Mother of Believers'.

She is quoted as source for many hadith, sacred traditions about Muhammad's life, with Muhammad's personal life being the topic of most narrations. She narrated 2210 hadiths out of which 316 hadiths are mentioned in both Sahih al-Bukhari and Sahih Muslim.


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Postby Manango » Fri Mar 19, 2010 10:34 am

Nobel Hobos wrote:
Manango wrote:
Minotzia wrote:The major political component of Islamic nations is the sharia law systems that they are regulated by, which are derived from the Five Pillars,.......................Sharia is one of the Five Pillars of the Islamic faith, and though most Muslims would provide a liberal interpretation of this and other controversial aspects of Islam,.......


You have your terminology mixed up. The 5 pillars of the Islamic (sunni) faith are prayer, fasting, Hajj, welfare tax and a belief in one god+prophet. The sharia system is just an interpretation of Islamic jurisprudence and Hadith adapted for political law, because there are not enough political rulings in the Quran to base a system off of.

The real problem is that there are more hadith than it is physically possible for the prophet to have said. It is sectarian and cultural biases that influence the decision on which are valid enough to base your sharia law on. Sunni's like to use Aisha, but you won't find a Shia that would take any of her sayings seriously. And no one knows where the Wahhabi bullshit comes from, but they seem to think it is legit.

Of course in places like Iran, you have to study history and language for years before anyone takes you seriously, so that minimises the amount of batshitcrazy stuff that enters the religion, but when you get people calling themselves Mullah's with no formal education and a huge bunch of sheep, you can get all sorts of problems.

And now you have all sorts of political issues that have nothing to do with religion, screwing stuff up for everyone. There are just too many political and geographical factors to consider before you can blame the theology.


I don't know if you know what you're talking about ... because I don't know enough about Islam to know if you know what you're talking about ...

Could you expand upon Aisha ? A female Islamic scholar ??


Wife of the prophet. She has many sayings in Bukhari which I guess are the most accessible.

*edit* What the guy above me said. Except no Shia muslim would accept her as the mother of the believers. That would be reserved for the daughter of the Prophet, Fatima, if anyone.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Fri Mar 19, 2010 10:42 am

Manango wrote:
Nobel Hobos wrote:
Manango wrote:
Minotzia wrote:The major political component of Islamic nations is the sharia law systems that they are regulated by, which are derived from the Five Pillars,.......................Sharia is one of the Five Pillars of the Islamic faith, and though most Muslims would provide a liberal interpretation of this and other controversial aspects of Islam,.......


You have your terminology mixed up. The 5 pillars of the Islamic (sunni) faith are prayer, fasting, Hajj, welfare tax and a belief in one god+prophet. The sharia system is just an interpretation of Islamic jurisprudence and Hadith adapted for political law, because there are not enough political rulings in the Quran to base a system off of.

The real problem is that there are more hadith than it is physically possible for the prophet to have said. It is sectarian and cultural biases that influence the decision on which are valid enough to base your sharia law on. Sunni's like to use Aisha, but you won't find a Shia that would take any of her sayings seriously. And no one knows where the Wahhabi bullshit comes from, but they seem to think it is legit.

Of course in places like Iran, you have to study history and language for years before anyone takes you seriously, so that minimises the amount of batshitcrazy stuff that enters the religion, but when you get people calling themselves Mullah's with no formal education and a huge bunch of sheep, you can get all sorts of problems.

And now you have all sorts of political issues that have nothing to do with religion, screwing stuff up for everyone. There are just too many political and geographical factors to consider before you can blame the theology.


I don't know if you know what you're talking about ... because I don't know enough about Islam to know if you know what you're talking about ...

Could you expand upon Aisha ? A female Islamic scholar ??


Wife of the prophet. She has many sayings in Bukhari which I guess are the most accessible.

*edit* What the guy above me said. Except no Shia muslim would accept her as the mother of the believers. That would be reserved for the daughter of the Prophet, Fatima, if anyone.


You're talking about Fatima, daughter of Khadija, right?
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Postby The Alma Mater » Fri Mar 19, 2010 11:37 am

Manango wrote:Wife of the prophet. She has many sayings in Bukhari which I guess are the most accessible.


And controversial due to her age when she married Mohammed (and more specifically: her age when the marriage was consummated). A favourite angle of attack on Islam.

People in the Netherlands dislike Islam because... well.. let me put it this way...

If a woman gets robbed of her purse, it was done by a group of muslims 9 out 10 times.
If a man gets beaten up for "looking homosexual" , it was done by a group of muslims 9 out of 10 times.
If a girl is sexually harrassed in a swimming pool, the persons doing so were... wanna take a guess ?

While it absolutely not so that most muslims in the Netherlands are pieces of shit, it is true that an awful lot of crimes like these are committed by muslims.
And politicians like Wilders of course use this.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Fri Mar 19, 2010 11:40 am

The Alma Mater wrote:
Manango wrote:Wife of the prophet. She has many sayings in Bukhari which I guess are the most accessible.


And controversial due to her age when she married Mohammed (and more specifically: her age when the marriage was consummated). A favourite angle of attack on Islam.

People in the Netherlands dislike Islam because... well.. let me put it this way...

If a woman gets robbed of her purse, it was done by a group of muslims 9 out 10 times.
If a man gets beaten up for "looking homosexual" , it was done by a group of muslims 9 out of 10 times.
If a girl is sexually harrassed in a swimming pool, the persons doing so were... wanna take a guess ?

While it absolutely not so that most muslims in the Netherlands are pieces of shit, it is true that an awful lot of crimes like these are committed by muslims.
And politicians like Wilders of course use this.


It is always the problematic side of a group or religion the one that's most vocal or most visible. That's a pity.
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Postby Sorentos (Ancient) » Fri Mar 19, 2010 11:45 am

I would be willing to bet there are as many Christian as Muslim terrorists nowadays. Case and point, the guy who flew a plane into an IRS building.

That being said, there are things about Muslim culture I find very admirable. And they know how to make some good coffee.

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Postby Manango » Fri Mar 19, 2010 11:46 am

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Manango wrote:
Nobel Hobos wrote:
Manango wrote:
Minotzia wrote:The major political component of Islamic nations is the sharia law systems that they are regulated by, which are derived from the Five Pillars,.......................Sharia is one of the Five Pillars of the Islamic faith, and though most Muslims would provide a liberal interpretation of this and other controversial aspects of Islam,.......


You have your terminology mixed up. The 5 pillars of the Islamic (sunni) faith are prayer, fasting, Hajj, welfare tax and a belief in one god+prophet. The sharia system is just an interpretation of Islamic jurisprudence and Hadith adapted for political law, because there are not enough political rulings in the Quran to base a system off of.

The real problem is that there are more hadith than it is physically possible for the prophet to have said. It is sectarian and cultural biases that influence the decision on which are valid enough to base your sharia law on. Sunni's like to use Aisha, but you won't find a Shia that would take any of her sayings seriously. And no one knows where the Wahhabi bullshit comes from, but they seem to think it is legit.

Of course in places like Iran, you have to study history and language for years before anyone takes you seriously, so that minimises the amount of batshitcrazy stuff that enters the religion, but when you get people calling themselves Mullah's with no formal education and a huge bunch of sheep, you can get all sorts of problems.

And now you have all sorts of political issues that have nothing to do with religion, screwing stuff up for everyone. There are just too many political and geographical factors to consider before you can blame the theology.


I don't know if you know what you're talking about ... because I don't know enough about Islam to know if you know what you're talking about ...

Could you expand upon Aisha ? A female Islamic scholar ??


Wife of the prophet. She has many sayings in Bukhari which I guess are the most accessible.

*edit* What the guy above me said. Except no Shia muslim would accept her as the mother of the believers. That would be reserved for the daughter of the Prophet, Fatima, if anyone.


You're talking about Fatima, daughter of Khadija, right?


Yes. The prophet only had 1 child named Fatima.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Fri Mar 19, 2010 11:47 am

Manango wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Manango wrote:
Nobel Hobos wrote:
Manango wrote:
Minotzia wrote:The major political component of Islamic nations is the sharia law systems that they are regulated by, which are derived from the Five Pillars,.......................Sharia is one of the Five Pillars of the Islamic faith, and though most Muslims would provide a liberal interpretation of this and other controversial aspects of Islam,.......


You have your terminology mixed up. The 5 pillars of the Islamic (sunni) faith are prayer, fasting, Hajj, welfare tax and a belief in one god+prophet. The sharia system is just an interpretation of Islamic jurisprudence and Hadith adapted for political law, because there are not enough political rulings in the Quran to base a system off of.

The real problem is that there are more hadith than it is physically possible for the prophet to have said. It is sectarian and cultural biases that influence the decision on which are valid enough to base your sharia law on. Sunni's like to use Aisha, but you won't find a Shia that would take any of her sayings seriously. And no one knows where the Wahhabi bullshit comes from, but they seem to think it is legit.

Of course in places like Iran, you have to study history and language for years before anyone takes you seriously, so that minimises the amount of batshitcrazy stuff that enters the religion, but when you get people calling themselves Mullah's with no formal education and a huge bunch of sheep, you can get all sorts of problems.

And now you have all sorts of political issues that have nothing to do with religion, screwing stuff up for everyone. There are just too many political and geographical factors to consider before you can blame the theology.


I don't know if you know what you're talking about ... because I don't know enough about Islam to know if you know what you're talking about ...

Could you expand upon Aisha ? A female Islamic scholar ??


Wife of the prophet. She has many sayings in Bukhari which I guess are the most accessible.

*edit* What the guy above me said. Except no Shia muslim would accept her as the mother of the believers. That would be reserved for the daughter of the Prophet, Fatima, if anyone.


You're talking about Fatima, daughter of Khadija, right?


Yes. The prophet only had 1 child named Fatima.


I am well aware of this. I was just checking. Muhammed had 4 daughters.
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Postby Angleter » Fri Mar 19, 2010 11:51 am

Ulu Turan wrote:i dont dislike the muslims as nearly all people of the nation i belong to are muslims but i am hostile toüard the İslam because it is an arabic, not Turkish religion and it has been used as an instrument to introduce arabic words, values culture over the Turks and other non-arab Muslim peoples.


Do you have a W on your keyboard? If not, then use the following to copy and paste:

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Postby Angleter » Fri Mar 19, 2010 11:55 am

WokaStates wrote:I don't like islam because many Muslims are extremisms.


But there are Christian extremists, Jewish extremists, Buddhist extremists, Hindu extremists, Sikh extremists...
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How I'd explain it

Postby Venetoland » Fri Mar 19, 2010 11:55 am

Not all Muslims are terrorists, but most terrorists are Muslim.

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Postby The Alma Mater » Fri Mar 19, 2010 11:56 am

Venetoland wrote:Not all Muslims are terrorists, but most terrorists are Muslim.


Not true I believe. IRA and ETA for instance tend to not have that many muslims amongst their ranks.
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His terrorism had NOTHING to do with his religion!

Postby Venetoland » Fri Mar 19, 2010 11:56 am

Sorentos wrote:I would be willing to bet there are as many Christian as Muslim terrorists nowadays. Case and point, the guy who flew a plane into an IRS building.

That being said, there are things about Muslim culture I find very admirable. And they know how to make some good coffee.


He was an anti-government terrorist!

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Postby DaWoad » Fri Mar 19, 2010 11:57 am

The Black Plains wrote: No early jews or christians slaughtered cities of people for no cause like the bible said.

The crusades,
The various millitary conquests of Solomon
The inquisition
To a certain extent the initial genocide of the north american native populations.
etc. etc. etc.
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