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Do you hate/dislike Muslims or Islam

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No
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I Am Muslim
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Postby Uawc » Thu Mar 18, 2010 7:32 pm

Kirhean Tribes wrote:Besides, singling out Islam would be totally unfair...many religions have provisions for "holy war" and the slaughter of "infidels..."


The same goes for anti-theism and atheism as well, which many people are quick to forget. People have killed in the name of every ideology on the planet.
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Postby South Lorenya » Thu Mar 18, 2010 7:37 pm

Do I hate muslims? No, with the occasional exception (Mahmoud Ahmedinejad, Osama bin-laden, etc.).
Do I hate islam? Yes.

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Postby Kirhean Tribes » Thu Mar 18, 2010 7:40 pm

UAWC wrote:
Kirhean Tribes wrote:Besides, singling out Islam would be totally unfair...many religions have provisions for "holy war" and the slaughter of "infidels..."


The same goes for anti-theism and atheism as well, which many people are quick to forget. People have killed in the name of every ideology on the planet.



More or less the point of my argument. I just mean that you can't call one religion on the carpet without calling out the others.



As I have argued many times with family/friends/classes, there are a few trends that exist right up to the first cave paintings. One of them is organized violence.


I don't think any one thing causes it, and I don't think it'll ever just go "poof" and disappear. I don't even really oppose violence...I just get upset when people try to justify it with pretty words and ideals. I prefer to just accept it for what it is, at least that way we don't delude ourselves and use violence when a more efficient means of achieving the goal still exists.
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Postby Gauthier » Thu Mar 18, 2010 7:41 pm

Kirhean Tribes wrote:
UAWC wrote:
Kirhean Tribes wrote:Besides, singling out Islam would be totally unfair...many religions have provisions for "holy war" and the slaughter of "infidels..."


The same goes for anti-theism and atheism as well, which many people are quick to forget. People have killed in the name of every ideology on the planet.



More or less the point of my argument. I just didn't bother bringing up the others.



As I have argued many times with family/friends/classes, there are a few trends that exist right up to the first cave paintings. One of them is organized violence.


I don't think any one thing causes it, and I don't think it'll ever just go "poof" and disappear. I don't even really oppose violence...I just get upset when people try to justify it with pretty words and ideals. I prefer to just accept it for what it is, at least that way we don't delude ourselves and use violence when a more efficient means of achieving the goal still exists.


Of course the perception today is that only Islam is responsible for holy wars and slaughter of infidels.
Crimes committed by Muslims will be a pan-Islamic plot and proof of Islam's inherent evil. On the other hand crimes committed by non-Muslims will merely be the acts of loners who do not represent their belief system at all.
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Postby Minotzia » Thu Mar 18, 2010 7:45 pm

Gauthier wrote:
Kirhean Tribes wrote:
UAWC wrote:
Kirhean Tribes wrote:Besides, singling out Islam would be totally unfair...many religions have provisions for "holy war" and the slaughter of "infidels..."


The same goes for anti-theism and atheism as well, which many people are quick to forget. People have killed in the name of every ideology on the planet.



More or less the point of my argument. I just didn't bother bringing up the others.



As I have argued many times with family/friends/classes, there are a few trends that exist right up to the first cave paintings. One of them is organized violence.


I don't think any one thing causes it, and I don't think it'll ever just go "poof" and disappear. I don't even really oppose violence...I just get upset when people try to justify it with pretty words and ideals. I prefer to just accept it for what it is, at least that way we don't delude ourselves and use violence when a more efficient means of achieving the goal still exists.


Of course the perception today is that only Islam is responsible for holy wars and slaughter of infidels.


I'd disagree entirely, the perception today is that only ideologies are responsible for wars and bad things. And more specifically that religion is the ultimate evil.

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Postby Kirhean Tribes » Thu Mar 18, 2010 7:45 pm

Gauthier wrote:
Kirhean Tribes wrote:
UAWC wrote:
Kirhean Tribes wrote:Besides, singling out Islam would be totally unfair...many religions have provisions for "holy war" and the slaughter of "infidels..."


The same goes for anti-theism and atheism as well, which many people are quick to forget. People have killed in the name of every ideology on the planet.



More or less the point of my argument. I just didn't bother bringing up the others.



As I have argued many times with family/friends/classes, there are a few trends that exist right up to the first cave paintings. One of them is organized violence.


I don't think any one thing causes it, and I don't think it'll ever just go "poof" and disappear. I don't even really oppose violence...I just get upset when people try to justify it with pretty words and ideals. I prefer to just accept it for what it is, at least that way we don't delude ourselves and use violence when a more efficient means of achieving the goal still exists.


Of course the perception today is that only Islam is responsible for holy wars and slaughter of infidels.


Society always wants a scapegoat.

Who knows, maybe next decade it'll be the Irish again.
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Postby UnhealthyTruthseeker » Thu Mar 18, 2010 7:52 pm

UAWC wrote:The same goes for anti-theism and atheism as well, which many people are quick to forget. People have killed in the name of every ideology on the planet.


Name somebody who killed in the name of lack of belief in god. You can name someone who killed in the name of an atheistic IDEOLOGY, but I want an example of someone that was motivated to kill by their lack of belief in god.
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Postby Kirhean Tribes » Thu Mar 18, 2010 7:59 pm

UnhealthyTruthseeker wrote:
UAWC wrote:The same goes for anti-theism and atheism as well, which many people are quick to forget. People have killed in the name of every ideology on the planet.


Name somebody who killed in the name of lack of belief in god. You can name someone who killed in the name of an atheistic IDEOLOGY, but I want an example of someone that was motivated to kill by their lack of belief in god.


I'd say certain serial killers fall under this category. I seem to remember reading about some who killed because they believed they were the closest thing to god there was, and as such they felt it was their right/duty. Sadly I can't quote names on that, as I don't remember and I refuse to use wiki as a source.

*shrug*


I think the point of his argument though is that anyone can find reasons to kill, it doesn't require religion to do so.
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Postby Minotzia » Thu Mar 18, 2010 8:02 pm

UnhealthyTruthseeker wrote:
UAWC wrote:The same goes for anti-theism and atheism as well, which many people are quick to forget. People have killed in the name of every ideology on the planet.


Name somebody who killed in the name of lack of belief in god. You can name someone who killed in the name of an atheistic IDEOLOGY, but I want an example of someone that was motivated to kill by their lack of belief in god.


Antitheism is a force that has more political and economic harm than a physical one. Still, there are cases when antitheists have attacked theists, burned down churches, and much more. All antitheistic beliefs are in opposition to true atheism, but even "innocent" atheists are still generally egocentric and condescending. If you want a case where atheism has created a harm to people, look no further than Soviet Russia under Stalin.

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Postby Arkinesia » Thu Mar 18, 2010 8:05 pm

I do not hate Muslims or Islam. I think Islam is a flawed religion to the very core, but I do not hate people simply because their beliefs are flawed.
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Postby Satirius » Thu Mar 18, 2010 8:53 pm

Kirhean Tribes wrote:
Gauthier wrote:
Kirhean Tribes wrote:
UAWC wrote:
Kirhean Tribes wrote:Besides, singling out Islam would be totally unfair...many religions have provisions for "holy war" and the slaughter of "infidels..."


The same goes for anti-theism and atheism as well, which many people are quick to forget. People have killed in the name of every ideology on the planet.



More or less the point of my argument. I just didn't bother bringing up the others.



As I have argued many times with family/friends/classes, there are a few trends that exist right up to the first cave paintings. One of them is organized violence.


I don't think any one thing causes it, and I don't think it'll ever just go "poof" and disappear. I don't even really oppose violence...I just get upset when people try to justify it with pretty words and ideals. I prefer to just accept it for what it is, at least that way we don't delude ourselves and use violence when a more efficient means of achieving the goal still exists.


Of course the perception today is that only Islam is responsible for holy wars and slaughter of infidels.


Society always wants a scapegoat.

Who knows, maybe next decade it'll be the Irish again.

And then gays the next. They'll prolly even call AIDS GRIDS(Gay-Related ImmunoDeficiency Syndrome) like they did in the seventies for combo insensitivity points.
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Postby Diseased Imaginings » Thu Mar 18, 2010 8:55 pm

UnhealthyTruthseeker wrote:I don't hate all Muslims. I do have a problem with Islam. and Christianity and Judaism and Buddhism and Paganism and Hinduism and Scientology and the Raelian movement and all those other religions too



concur. I have nothing against Muslims in particular, I just don't like religion in general.


In fact, I've found most Muslims around here (Southern California) to be WAY more bearable than most Christians...
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Postby Diseased Imaginings » Thu Mar 18, 2010 8:57 pm

Minotzia wrote:
Antitheism is a force that has more political and economic harm than a physical one. Still, there are cases when antitheists have attacked theists, burned down churches, and much more. All antitheistic beliefs are in opposition to true atheism, but even "innocent" atheists are still generally egocentric and condescending. If you want a case where atheism has created a harm to people, look no further than Soviet Russia under Stalin.




:p atheism didn't harm people, the crazy guy with the bitchin' mustache did
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Postby Gauthier » Thu Mar 18, 2010 9:21 pm

Satirius wrote:
Kirhean Tribes wrote:
Gauthier wrote:
Kirhean Tribes wrote:
UAWC wrote:
Kirhean Tribes wrote:Besides, singling out Islam would be totally unfair...many religions have provisions for "holy war" and the slaughter of "infidels..."


The same goes for anti-theism and atheism as well, which many people are quick to forget. People have killed in the name of every ideology on the planet.



More or less the point of my argument. I just didn't bother bringing up the others.



As I have argued many times with family/friends/classes, there are a few trends that exist right up to the first cave paintings. One of them is organized violence.


I don't think any one thing causes it, and I don't think it'll ever just go "poof" and disappear. I don't even really oppose violence...I just get upset when people try to justify it with pretty words and ideals. I prefer to just accept it for what it is, at least that way we don't delude ourselves and use violence when a more efficient means of achieving the goal still exists.


Of course the perception today is that only Islam is responsible for holy wars and slaughter of infidels.


Society always wants a scapegoat.

Who knows, maybe next decade it'll be the Irish again.

And then gays the next. They'll prolly even call AIDS GRIDS(Gay-Related ImmunoDeficiency Syndrome) like they did in the seventies for combo insensitivity points.


At that point, I feel sorry for gay Irish Muslims.
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Postby Scott Tree » Thu Mar 18, 2010 11:14 pm

Islam in the modern era is were Christianity was during the dark ages most of them are poor and are only raised since birth told America and the west is satin and then told to die for Alla against the infidels. We have small scaled down versions in the U.S. Nazis, and white power groups that blew up the building in Oklahoma. The are small and controlled by the government FBI, police, and educated population. In the Islamic world need to join the rest of the world. They believe they can live in it be but separate form the rest of it. Even China and Russia realized they had to intact with the rest of the world at the end of the cold war. Muslims that are violent have strong restaurant to change. They say they have no chance to be come world leaders without accepting the basic values of global civilization. They look for a way out so they don't have to. The idea is this up with medievalism down with evil techno civilization. What I have a problem with is their refusal to integrate into another country. In England up to 60% of Muslims want Sharia what gives them the right to by pass another countries laws and force it on them by the standards they want not what that nation has established. That is wrong trying to force your laws on anther country. Muslims in Europe need to live and work with in the bounds of European Law and at least respect the customs and cultures of Europe. Westerns respect other other peoples point of view with multiculturalism I expert the same respect in return. Normally I don't have a problem with them some of their nations are our allies but they have responsible and reasonable populations like Kuwait, Qatar, and the UAE. I don't hate them I hate violent ones that attack my country and my allies. Just like I hate extremest groups attacking my own country trying to start a race war.
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Postby Pwnshop » Thu Mar 18, 2010 11:17 pm

Ralkovia wrote:
Sailsia wrote:To re-state the question:
why do so many people dislike/hate Muslims?

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Postby Karsol » Thu Mar 18, 2010 11:17 pm

Sailsia wrote:I would like to know, where are there such a vast number of people who hate (or strongly dislike) people of Islam. I am a Lutheran Christian, but I have no problem with Muslims, my aunt married an immigrant from Iraq in '98. and hes a Muslim, and hes a perfectly nice guy. I mean, sure, Islam is very different then what the West is used to, but then again, at one point paper was too...

To re-state the question:
why do so many people dislike/hate Muslims?

Not for being muslim.

They are just as bad as the Christians and Jews.
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Postby EvilDarkMagicians » Thu Mar 18, 2010 11:53 pm

I think more people (in the U.K especially) are more wary of Islam because the followers seem a lot less liberal than the Christians in the country.

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Postby Nobel Hobos » Fri Mar 19, 2010 12:44 am

Scott Tree wrote: most of them are poor and are only raised since birth told America and the west is satin

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Muslims that are violent have strong restaurant to change.

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NO this problem need to be nip in the butt and only the Muslims can change it no one else can do it for them.



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Postby North Suran » Fri Mar 19, 2010 12:50 am

Because evangelical Christians, orthodox Jews* and bigotted white supremacists will all put aside their differences and join hands to denounce Islam as the greater evil.

*Considering the events of the past century, this is somewhat distressing.
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Postby Risottia » Fri Mar 19, 2010 1:13 am

Sailsia wrote:
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Sailsia wrote:why do so many people dislike/hate Muslims?


Meh, as for me it's exactly the same thing with Christianity and Christians. (Or any other religion and the followers thereof).
The ideas of "Christianity" and "Islam" never damaged me - as they aren't physical beings.

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If that's "hating Islam" or "hating Christianity", well, too bad for them.

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Postby Schlauberger » Fri Mar 19, 2010 1:25 am

North Suran wrote:Because evangelical Christians, orthodox Jews* and bigotted white supremacists will all put aside their differences and join hands to denounce Islam as the greater evil.

*Considering the events of the past century, this is somewhat distressing.


I call BS on the bolded. I was raised orthodox, and I must say that no, orthodox Jews do not generally hate Muslims or Islam. In all my years of attending shul in several different cities, not once have I heard anyone say a bad word about the religion of Islam or regular Muslim people. We may disagree with the way certain Muslim leaders incite their people towards hatred of Jews and Israel, but to even compare that to the hatred put out by the likes of the KKK or John Hagee is insulting. If you are speaking of the Kahanists, then there are only a few dozen left, and it would be more apt to call them by that label instead of as orthodox Jews, especially since they seem to disregard the 6th Commandment.

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Postby Czardas » Fri Mar 19, 2010 1:30 am

Literal adherence to the laws and beliefs of Islam would lead to an oppressive, misogynistic, authoritarian and violent society. Hence, I view those laws and beliefs as wrong. Of course, this also applies to Judaism and Christianity, and probably other religions I haven't studied as well. (Indeed, I'd say Christianity in all its forms has probably been a more destructive force than Islam in all its forms, simply in terms of body count.)

I see nothing wrong with the moderate forms of Islam/Christianity/Judaism etc that ignore large stretches of the Bible/Quran/whatever and have generally adapted to suit present needs. Well, okay, apart from the silliness like "there is a life after death" and the like. Nor do I object to Muslims, Christians, and Jews; they're generally good people, and even the extremists tend to be well-intentioned. It's just some of the religious beliefs that I find objectionable.
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Postby Gauthier » Fri Mar 19, 2010 1:33 am

North Suran wrote:Because evangelical Christians, orthodox Jews* and bigotted white supremacists will all put aside their differences and join hands to denounce Islam as the greater evil.

*Considering the events of the past century, this is somewhat distressing.


Don't forget self-proclaimed atheists as well.
Crimes committed by Muslims will be a pan-Islamic plot and proof of Islam's inherent evil. On the other hand crimes committed by non-Muslims will merely be the acts of loners who do not represent their belief system at all.
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Postby Gauthier » Fri Mar 19, 2010 1:35 am

Schlauberger wrote:
North Suran wrote:Because evangelical Christians, orthodox Jews* and bigotted white supremacists will all put aside their differences and join hands to denounce Islam as the greater evil.

*Considering the events of the past century, this is somewhat distressing.


I call BS on the bolded. I was raised orthodox, and I must say that no, orthodox Jews do not generally hate Muslims or Islam. In all my years of attending shul in several different cities, not once have I heard anyone say a bad word about the religion of Islam or regular Muslim people. We may disagree with the way certain Muslim leaders incite their people towards hatred of Jews and Israel, but to even compare that to the hatred put out by the likes of the KKK or John Hagee is insulting. If you are speaking of the Kahanists, then there are only a few dozen left, and it would be more apt to call them by that label instead of as orthodox Jews, especially since they seem to disregard the 6th Commandment.


Can't help but notice that despite Kahanism being outlawed, the Israeli government's settlement expansion policies seem to working in the Kahanists' favor anyways.
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