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Do you hate/dislike Muslims or Islam

Yes
57
28%
No
141
69%
I Am Muslim
6
3%
 
Total votes : 204

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Postby Lackadaisical2 » Thu Mar 18, 2010 5:17 pm

Sailsia wrote:
Lackadaisical2 wrote:I'd liek to add that I work with quite a few guys form Pakistan (muslims) so I can't really hate them all, but the one guy does say some strange things to a western perspective. For example he beats his wife.

cough*report him*cough cough

Nah, hes a nice guy. And hes not even a permanent resident. Hes abotu to get his PhD and bounce. Plus his kids are really nice and I don't wnat to fuck their lives up.
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Postby JJ Place » Thu Mar 18, 2010 5:17 pm

Sailsia wrote:I would like to know, where are there such a vast number of people who hate (or strongly dislike) people of Islam. I am a Lutheran Christian, but I have no problem with Muslims, my aunt married an immigrant from Iraq in '98. and hes a Muslim, and hes a perfectly nice guy. I mean, sure, Islam is very different then what the West is used to, but then again, at one point paper was too...

To re-state the question:
why do so many people dislike/hate Muslims?


Most people don't hate all Muslims; just crazed, extremist sects of the religion. I have no problem with Muslims myself, and most people do not hate Muslims at all either.
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Postby Sailsia » Thu Mar 18, 2010 5:18 pm

Kyphos wrote:
Sailsia wrote:
Kyphos wrote:Bad relations? I suppose but if it was that bad i wouldn't had been 1/3 white people in my class in grade 6.

They wouldn't even be here.

Thats not true exactly. Plenty of French people hate Americans, yet they still vacation in America and buy American things.



You can't compare Muslims to the French, they eat snails.

Comedy aside, (it was pretty funny) the point was, French people still go to the US, they don't hate us, its the culture, to say they actually like the US is like saying in America in 1989 "hey the soviets aren't all bad!" The Muslims can't say, let bygons be bygons even if they DO live in the UK, or they will probably be ridiculed by the rest of the community.
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Postby Sailsia » Thu Mar 18, 2010 5:21 pm

Well, I have to get going, sorry to cut it short...
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Postby Rolling squid » Thu Mar 18, 2010 5:25 pm

Lackadaisical2 wrote:
Sailsia wrote:
Lackadaisical2 wrote:I'd liek to add that I work with quite a few guys form Pakistan (muslims) so I can't really hate them all, but the one guy does say some strange things to a western perspective. For example he beats his wife.

cough*report him*cough cough

Nah, hes a nice guy. And hes not even a permanent resident. Hes abotu to get his PhD and bounce. Plus his kids are really nice and I don't wnat to fuck their lives up.


It's impossible to be both a nice guy and a wife beater.
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Postby Lunatic Goofballs » Thu Mar 18, 2010 5:26 pm

'Hate' is a word that I very rarely use to describe my feelings for anything. I mock and ridicule Islam(not Muslims) as I mock and ridicule all religions because... they're religions.

As for Muslims, it annoys me that people who follow the Islamic religion are referred to as Muslims before anything else. We see someone of arab descent or dressed a particular way(which more often than not is wholly different than the way Muslims dress. Ask the Sikhs) we automatically think 'muslim'. Why is that? We don't identify Christians as a primary descriptor on sight. Maybe Jews, but that annoys me too for the same reason. Labeling someone based on the invisible man they worship seems silly enough; making it the primary first-impression judgment of a person seems wrong to me.

I'm a Christian, but first and foremost, I am a clown, a wacko and a sex fiend. :)
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Postby Lackadaisical2 » Thu Mar 18, 2010 5:27 pm

Rolling squid wrote:
Lackadaisical2 wrote:
Sailsia wrote:
Lackadaisical2 wrote:I'd liek to add that I work with quite a few guys form Pakistan (muslims) so I can't really hate them all, but the one guy does say some strange things to a western perspective. For example he beats his wife.

cough*report him*cough cough

Nah, hes a nice guy. And hes not even a permanent resident. Hes abotu to get his PhD and bounce. Plus his kids are really nice and I don't wnat to fuck their lives up.


It's impossible to be both a nice guy and a wife beater.

...hmm...

Nope.
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Postby JuNii » Thu Mar 18, 2010 5:34 pm

Lackadaisical2 wrote:
Sailsia wrote:
Lackadaisical2 wrote:I'd liek to add that I work with quite a few guys form Pakistan (muslims) so I can't really hate them all, but the one guy does say some strange things to a western perspective. For example he beats his wife.

cough*report him*cough cough

Nah, hes a nice guy. And hes not even a permanent resident. Hes abotu to get his PhD and bounce. Plus his kids are really nice and I don't wnat to fuck their lives up.

so... because you think he's a nice guy, leaving soon and don't want to fuck up the kid's lives, it's ok for him to physically Assault his wife and possibly kill her?
on the other hand... I have another set of fingers.

Unscramble these words...1) PNEIS. 2)HTIELR 3) NGGERI 4) BUTTSXE
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Postby Lackadaisical2 » Thu Mar 18, 2010 5:42 pm

JuNii wrote:
Lackadaisical2 wrote:
Sailsia wrote:
Lackadaisical2 wrote:I'd liek to add that I work with quite a few guys form Pakistan (muslims) so I can't really hate them all, but the one guy does say some strange things to a western perspective. For example he beats his wife.

cough*report him*cough cough

Nah, hes a nice guy. And hes not even a permanent resident. Hes abotu to get his PhD and bounce. Plus his kids are really nice and I don't wnat to fuck their lives up.

so... because you think he's a nice guy, leaving soon and don't want to fuck up the kid's lives, it's ok for him to physically Assault his wife and possibly kill her?

Theers a point where involving the law won't help any. heres what is likely to happen, I call the police on him, present my nonexistent evidence then:

1) nothing happens, as she goes along with it (most likely)
2) He gets arrested, and she gets blamed for it, serious issues lie here.

I honestly don't think he is the type to kill her, shes missing teeth, but thats probably just due to poor hygiene. Honestly its none of my business, it won't affect me one way or the other so why put my ass on the line?
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Postby Gauthier » Thu Mar 18, 2010 5:53 pm

Oppresso Liber wrote:Most people do not hate Islam. People only hate Islamic fascism, or the perversion of their religion.

Jihadism, Wahhabism, etc. The fucking terrorists. The Islamic terrorists suck, not Islam.


True. Unfortunately Westerners associate terrorism and perversion with Islam as a whole. Speaking of which, in before the NSG Islamic Scholars and self-proclaimed atheists ranting about how Islam and all Muslims are Pure Evil.
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Postby Lord-General Drache » Thu Mar 18, 2010 6:47 pm

Sailsia wrote:I would like to know, where are there such a vast number of people who hate (or strongly dislike) people of Islam. I am a Lutheran Christian, but I have no problem with Muslims, my aunt married an immigrant from Iraq in '98. and hes a Muslim, and hes a perfectly nice guy. I mean, sure, Islam is very different then what the West is used to, but then again, at one point paper was too...

To re-state the question:
why do so many people dislike/hate Muslims?


You forgot to include the "I hate all religions" option. I voted yes because I loathe all religions and spiritual beliefs. I see them belief in them as mental disorders and the systems themselves as means of populace control which work admirably well at gaining money and power for those in charge, all under the pretense of morality and righteousness.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Thu Mar 18, 2010 7:02 pm

Risottia wrote:
Sailsia wrote:why do so many people dislike/hate Muslims?


Meh, as for me it's exactly the same thing with Christianity and Christians. (Or any other religion and the followers thereof).
The ideas of "Christianity" and "Islam" never damaged me - as they aren't physical beings.

On the other hand, many Christians and many Muslims are RL bigoted trolls. Quite obnoxious if you ask me.
If that's "hating Islam" or "hating Christianity", well, too bad for them.

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Postby Martaz » Thu Mar 18, 2010 7:05 pm

I hate islam because is a backward religion

In africa all religious war are always initiated by muslims(rwuanda) never by catholic
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Postby JuNii » Thu Mar 18, 2010 7:06 pm

Lackadaisical2 wrote:Theers a point where involving the law won't help any. heres what is likely to happen, I call the police on him, present my nonexistent evidence then:

1) nothing happens, as she goes along with it (most likely)
2) He gets arrested, and she gets blamed for it, serious issues lie here.

I honestly don't think he is the type to kill her, shes missing teeth, but thats probably just due to poor hygiene. Honestly its none of my business, it won't affect me one way or the other so why put my ass on the line?

and that's why many cases of abuse don't get reported in. :(
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Postby Gauthier » Thu Mar 18, 2010 7:08 pm

Martaz wrote:I hate islam because is a backward religion

In africa all religious war are always initiated by muslims(rwuanda) never by catholic


Uganda. Lord's Resistance Army. Check and Mate. Ebil Mozlem Theorem for the lose, thank you for playing come again.
Crimes committed by Muslims will be a pan-Islamic plot and proof of Islam's inherent evil. On the other hand crimes committed by non-Muslims will merely be the acts of loners who do not represent their belief system at all.
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Postby Minotzia » Thu Mar 18, 2010 7:08 pm

I can't stand Islam or Muslims because they have messed up geopolitics for everyone else. In the past it was fine to have a clear conflict between Christians and Muslims because it polarized the world along clear lines. In the pre-Modern era it was okay too, because Islamic nations were subordinate to European powers. But after WWII especially, Muslims started to resent colonial control and took back the Middle East and Africa. Even that would be fine, but today Islam is no longer a polarizing entity, but instead requires that we add a large dollop of political correctness when discussing the spread of Islam into Europe and beyond. Personally I am opposed to the religious aspect of Islam because I'm Catholic, but politically I find it to be particularly annoying because policy towards Islamic nations is always* skewed in one of two ways. On the one hand you've got the radical right point of view that is treating them as the source of all evil, and on the other you've got moderate to radical lefties saying that Islam is just like Christianity and we need to treat Islamic nations equally. Both points of view are wrong, but I find myself much more aligned to the right's position because Islam is not like Christianity, and because treating it as such is dangerous and irresponsible.

The major political component of Islamic nations is the sharia law systems that they are regulated by, which are derived from the Five Pillars, and can range from relatively liberal to extremely conservative. But even in the most liberal of sharia law systems, there's still the fact that it is a religious law. Separation of Church and State is simply not the case for any Islamic nation, because of history and Islam's teachings. Historically Islamic nations grew with a large demand for territorial expansion and militarization. This required strong law systems to prevent troublesome rebellions in unstable provinces like India, or even back home in Anatolia and the Middle East. Sharia provided the religious justification for strong law systems and so the "Islamic bloc," survived until WWI with the defeat of the Ottoman Empire. Sharia is one of the Five Pillars of the Islamic faith, and though most Muslims would provide a liberal interpretation of this and other controversial aspects of Islam, the fact is that their leaders don't. Iran, Azerbaijan, pretty much all of the -stan countries, and many of the SE Asian nations all take interpretation of sharia through conservative light in order to justify harsh laws or to build support among radicals who in turn control populations through fear and intimidation.

Problems arise in geopolitics when dealing with Islamic nations because the policy from the West towards them is typified by tolerance and political correctness, as well as a tendency to not treat their governments as actual governments. We need to take a hard-line approach to Islam on the whole because if we continue to make concessions towards the religion then we cannot hope to successfully operate on a neo-conservative agenda, and at the moment that's the only way to fix a lot of the problems in the world.

So in response to the question, I do hate Islam, because our political leaders can't see past the controversy in dealing with it, and as a result Islam is screwing us over.

* - I don't mean to present a false dichotomy here, but rather a REAL one. There are just the two points of view in actual policy, and though politicians may claim to have other views, these two are the only ones reflected in political action.
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Postby Lunatic Goofballs » Thu Mar 18, 2010 7:09 pm

Gauthier wrote:
Martaz wrote:I hate islam because is a backward religion

In africa all religious war are always initiated by muslims(rwuanda) never by catholic


Uganda. Lord's Resistance Army. Check and Mate. Ebil Mozlem Theorem for the lose, thank you for playing come again.


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Postby Lord-General Drache » Thu Mar 18, 2010 7:09 pm

Martaz wrote:I hate islam because is a backward religion

In africa all religious war are always initiated by muslims(rwuanda) never by catholic


Never heard of the Crusades, eh? Christianity has caused countless wars and the massacres of many of their own people and others. All religions are guilty of mass murder.
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Postby Ermarian » Thu Mar 18, 2010 7:11 pm

I consider religion harmful to society, in general. I wouldn't single out Islam specifically, but it is no less bad than Christianity.
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Postby UnhealthyTruthseeker » Thu Mar 18, 2010 7:13 pm

Lord-General Drache wrote:Never heard of the Crusades, eh? Christianity has caused countless wars and the massacres of many of their own people and others. All religions are guilty of mass murder.


I guess there's also no tribal warfare in Africa. It's all just Muslims vs. Christians.
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Postby Lackadaisical2 » Thu Mar 18, 2010 7:14 pm

UnhealthyTruthseeker wrote:
Lord-General Drache wrote:Never heard of the Crusades, eh? Christianity has caused countless wars and the massacres of many of their own people and others. All religions are guilty of mass murder.


I guess there's also no tribal warfare in Africa. It's all just Muslims vs. Christians.

Indeed, isn't it simpler just to assume that the conflicts are caused mostly by things other than religion, since so many religions have no problem coinciding all over the world with minimal violence?
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Postby Gauthier » Thu Mar 18, 2010 7:15 pm

UnhealthyTruthseeker wrote:
Lord-General Drache wrote:Never heard of the Crusades, eh? Christianity has caused countless wars and the massacres of many of their own people and others. All religions are guilty of mass murder.


I guess there's also no tribal warfare in Africa. It's all just Muslims vs. Christians.


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Postby Lackadaisical2 » Thu Mar 18, 2010 7:20 pm

JuNii wrote:
Lackadaisical2 wrote:Theers a point where involving the law won't help any. heres what is likely to happen, I call the police on him, present my nonexistent evidence then:

1) nothing happens, as she goes along with it (most likely)
2) He gets arrested, and she gets blamed for it, serious issues lie here.

I honestly don't think he is the type to kill her, shes missing teeth, but thats probably just due to poor hygiene. Honestly its none of my business, it won't affect me one way or the other so why put my ass on the line?

and that's why many cases of abuse don't get reported in. :(

Meh, maybe. That doesn't mean anything is helped by reporting it.

I'd rather let them sort it out themselves, I think its quite rare and so forth. The 'nice guy' part was about him being that way only due to cultural influences, thus likely not a murderer or anything, just enough to maintain his role as hes supposed to. Like I said, no skin off my back. He said 'discipline' to be exact, its possible he doesn't hit her at all, like I said, non existent evidence of any crime.
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Postby Kirhean Tribes » Thu Mar 18, 2010 7:26 pm

I don't hate Islam, I hate religious extremists. Or, in simpler terms, I hate people...not religions.


As it is with "guns don't kill people, people kill people..."


So it goes with "religions don't kill people, extremists kill people..."



Besides, singling out Islam would be totally unfair...many religions have provisions for "holy war" and the slaughter of "infidels..."
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Postby Uawc » Thu Mar 18, 2010 7:29 pm

Islam and its followers are just the new scapegoat that the political right blames its problems on. It was black people in the 1800s, Jews in the early 1930's up 'till mid 40's, it was the FILTHY RED COMMIE PINKOS after that, and now it's the Muslims. Next it will probably be the Mexicans for DEY TUK AR JERBS!!!!!
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