Why Do They Hate Islam?

[The North Papal States]

I don't hate Islam. But I mean, this question has an obvious freaking answer.

Islamic terrorists blew up the WTC. If atheists had done it, or Catholics, or chipmunks, everyone would hate them instead. But they didn't so we don't.

No, if Atheists, Catholics or chipmunks blew up the WTC, everyone would assume that it was a bunch of lone nutters with no connection to Atheists, Catholics or chipmunks as a whole, unlike the Islamic Gravemind.

Bull. Any kind of terrible event like that is blamed on something. The Columbine shootings were blamed on bullying and video games.

Video games. I mean, seriously? Let's ignore the obvious answer that they were just freaking insane, and claim that shooting terribly animated space demons somehow filled the perpetrators with an unquenchable thirst for blood.

So yeah. Have to say, you're wrong. Psychologically, people need to have a reason for things. Some people even say that natural disasters are a punishment from God. Those people are probably the ones who should most be hit with a natural disaster.

[Tharra]

For the longest time, Christians basically talked down to and patronized the Jews. After all, as another Abrahamic religion, the basic attitude was that they're misguided, but getting some of it right. And now, well, Christians have been knocked from their imaginary pedestal and faced with Muslims doing the same thing to them. Payback is a bitch, isn't it?

[NFA Rulz]

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Next stupid question.

[Kirav]

I am a Catholic Christian, and I quite like Islam.

I think that Christianity and Islam, as the two largest Abrahamic religions, face many of the same internal (Extremism, a lot of bad history, abuse of clerical power, use of the religions in political agendas) and external (Christianity and Islam bear the brunt of criticism of religion) challenges.

Although both faiths are very different from each other, they do share many of the same core values and teachings.

[F1-Insanity]

No, if Atheists, Catholics or chipmunks blew up the WTC, everyone would assume that it was a bunch of lone nutters with no connection to Atheists, Catholics or chipmunks as a whole, unlike the Islamic Gravemind.

Bull. Any kind of terrible event like that is blamed on something. The Columbine shootings were blamed on bullying and video games.

Let's not confuse Gauthier with facts, now, shall we?

I am a Catholic Christian, and I quite like Islam.

I think that Christianity and Islam, as the two largest Abrahamic religions, face many of the same internal (Extremism, a lot of bad history, abuse of clerical power, use of the religions in political agendas) and external (Christianity and Islam bear the brunt of criticism of religion) challenges.

Although both faiths are very different from each other, they do share many of the same core values and teachings.

True, there can be little doubt that Muhammad got the inspiration for 'killing unbelievers where they may be found' from christianity.

[Georgism]

Because bombs

[Gauthier]

No, if Atheists, Catholics or chipmunks blew up the WTC, everyone would assume that it was a bunch of lone nutters with no connection to Atheists, Catholics or chipmunks as a whole, unlike the Islamic Gravemind.

Bull. Any kind of terrible event like that is blamed on something. The Columbine shootings were blamed on bullying and video games.

Let's not confuse Gauthier with facts, now, shall we?

That's soooooo cute of you.

And the point was zipped past like the control tower in Top Gun. Never said nobody would be blamed. They would still blame the people responsible. The point is that if it were anyone but Islamic extremists, the blame would be isolated to those directly responsible without the spillover of "The religion did it," or "everyone with the same beliefs are just like that" that's practically guaranteed if there's even an implied Islamic link to it. In other words, they'd be dismissed as lone nuts "who do not respresent Christianity/Judaism/Atheism/Squirrels as a whole." Look at the Fort Hood shooting as an example. Not a comment about the nature of the perpetrator when it started, and the moment Nidal Hassan was named, all the Islamic Terrorism spook talk started to gush.

It's called Ebil Mozlem Theorem. It's not a global conspiracy if Muslims didn't do it.

[The ivain isles]

Because Islam is the most violent Religion that exists today, and before people start going all "Well what about those damn Christian crusaders! And those damn inquisition supporters!" Guess what, the crusades were done to take back the Christian and Jewish holy land from the Muslims, as for the inquisition... corruption. Islam pretty much teaches violence in their holy book. Yes, the Bible has the Old Testament, which is pretty violent ,but that was pretty much just put in for comparison, Jesus only taught peace.

And warned unbelievers about hell (believe in me or else...)...

Mohammed Spread Islam by war, which would you prefer, he also promoted corporeal punishment, Violence against women and slavery.

[F1-Insanity]

That's soooooo cute of you.

Thank you I do my best.

And the point was zipped past like the control tower in Top Gun. Never said nobody would be blamed. They would still blame the people responsible. The point is that if it were anyone but Islamic extremists, the blame would be isolated to those directly responsible without the spillover of "The religion did it," or "everyone with the same beliefs are just like that" that's practically guaranteed if there's even an implied Islamic link to it. In other words, they'd be dismissed as lone nuts "who do not respresent Christianity/Judaism/Atheism/Squirrels as a whole." Look at the Fort Hood shooting as an example. Not a comment about the nature of the perpetrator when it started, and the moment Nidal Hassan was named, all the Islamic Terrorism spook talk started to gush.

Well, would it have something to do that in the modern day a disproportional number of such acts (as compared to those done by 'christians, jews, atheists or squirrels' are being done by folks who claim it is in the name of islam? Such as the latest bombing

If we take the entire first decade of the 21st century, and we tally the # of suicide bombings and beheadings done by people claiming to have done it in the name of islam, and also tally the # of suicide bombings and beheadings done by people claiming to have done it in the name of christianity/judaism/hinduism/squirrelism/nutsism/etc... combined, how would that comparison come out you think? I'd take a wager on the first mentioned group 'outscoring' the rest. More than willing to have some independent newsgroup tally the 'scores'.

If you say it would make no difference because it is all the same I have this challenge for you.

I draw a cartoon of Jesus or/and a squirrel, put my name under it and publish it on a website.
You draw a cartoon of Muhammad, put you name under it and publish it on a website.

Who would likely get more death threats? You don't have to answer.

[The ivain isles]

That's soooooo cute of you.

Thank you I do my best.

And the point was zipped past like the control tower in Top Gun. Never said nobody would be blamed. They would still blame the people responsible. The point is that if it were anyone but Islamic extremists, the blame would be isolated to those directly responsible without the spillover of "The religion did it," or "everyone with the same beliefs are just like that" that's practically guaranteed if there's even an implied Islamic link to it. In other words, they'd be dismissed as lone nuts "who do not respresent Christianity/Judaism/Atheism/Squirrels as a whole." Look at the Fort Hood shooting as an example. Not a comment about the nature of the perpetrator when it started, and the moment Nidal Hassan was named, all the Islamic Terrorism spook talk started to gush.

Well, would it have something to do that in the modern day a disproportional number of such acts (as compared to those done by 'christians, jews, atheists or squirrels' are being done by folks who claim it is in the name of islam? Such as the latest bombing

If we take the entire first decade of the 21st century, and we tally the # of suicide bombings and beheadings done by people claiming to have done it in the name of islam, and also tally the # of suicide bombings and beheadings done by people claiming to have done it in the name of christianity/judaism/hinduism/squirrelism/nutsism/etc... combined, how would that comparison come out you think? I'd take a wager on the first mentioned group 'outscoring' the rest. More than willing to have some independent newsgroup tally the 'scores'.

If you say it would make no difference because it is all the same I have this challenge for you.

I draw a cartoon of Jesus or/and a squirrel, put my name under it and publish it on a website.
You draw a cartoon of Muhammad, put you name under it and publish it on a website.

Who would likely get more death threats? You don't have to answer.

Yes, but Christianity isn't the one going around with bombs, or have states decapitating people for minor offenses, do they.
I personally Have no problem with people posting images about Jesus, Freedom of Speech.

[The North Papal States]

No, if Atheists, Catholics or chipmunks blew up the WTC, everyone would assume that it was a bunch of lone nutters with no connection to Atheists, Catholics or chipmunks as a whole, unlike the Islamic Gravemind.

Bull. Any kind of terrible event like that is blamed on something. The Columbine shootings were blamed on bullying and video games.

Let's not confuse Gauthier with facts, now, shall we?

That's soooooo cute of you.

And the point was zipped past like the control tower in Top Gun. Never said nobody would be blamed. They would still blame the people responsible. The point is that if it were anyone but Islamic extremists, the blame would be isolated to those directly responsible without the spillover of "The religion did it," or "everyone with the same beliefs are just like that" that's practically guaranteed if there's even an implied Islamic link to it. In other words, they'd be dismissed as lone nuts "who do not respresent Christianity/Judaism/Atheism/Squirrels as a whole." Look at the Fort Hood shooting as an example. Not a comment about the nature of the perpetrator when it started, and the moment Nidal Hassan was named, all the Islamic Terrorism spook talk started to gush.

It's called Ebil Mozlem Theorem. It's not a global conspiracy if Muslims didn't do it.

You're going to have to explain to me how I evaded the point. Again, "the Columbine shootings were blamed on bullying and video games." Unless there's someone out there named bullying and/or video games, nobody blamed the people responsible. They blamed bullying/video games.

So I provided a real world example of people targeting other things after a disaster. Completely and totally relevant to the point.

Here's another.

Japanese Americans. Blamed for Pearl Harbor. Which is interesting, considering they emigrated to the U.S, thereby logically showing they didn't exactly want to be in Japan.

Yeah. They got jammed in internment camps. Don't complain.

@The crowd of people who hate Islam: Yeah. Crusades. Christianity has done just as awful things. Probably more, in fact, just not as recently. If you think that excuses us, you're twats.

And before the atheists go off about how they're awesome, China has forced monks to break their chastity vows on nuns before killing them. So you suck just as bad.

[Gauthier]

You're going to have to explain to me how I evaded the point. Again, "the Columbine shootings were blamed on bullying and video games." Unless there's someone out there named bullying and/or video games, nobody blamed the people responsible. They blamed bullying/video games.

So I provided a real world example of people targeting other things after a disaster. Completely and totally relevant to the point.

Here's another.

Japanese Americans. Blamed for Pearl Harbor. Which is interesting, considering they emigrated to the U.S, thereby logically showing they didn't exactly want to be in Japan.

Yeah. They got jammed in internment camps. Don't complain.

@The crowd of people who hate Islam: Yeah. Crusades. Christianity has done just as awful things. Probably more, in fact, just not as recently. If you think that excuses us, you're twats.

And before the atheists go off about how they're awesome, China has forced monks to break their chastity vows on nuns before killing them. So you suck just as bad.

Blaming a concept for a tragedy (bullying) or an object (video games) is nothing like blaming a tangible group. There hasn't been a backlash against bullying or bullies from the populace. And there hasn't been a serious effort by a vast majority to ban video games. Compare that to how many "OMG Ebil Mozlemz" talk and sometimes actions crop up every time an incident is suggested to be related to Islamic extremism.

The Internment happened and it was a grave injustice. And it targeted a tangible group, unlike this supposed outrage on bullying and video games, which makes it a better example. Still, there are people who would love to push for a Muslim Internment or worse if possible so the underlying attitudes are just as strong if the legal drives aren't.

[Moss Mountain]

I don't dislike Muslims. I dislike people who try to force their religion onto others, which some Muslims do. But so do some Christians, Jews, and people of other faiths. Just keep it to yourself and we're cool, dude.

[Assassinistan]

The same reason they hate Christians. Because a select few of them made bad choises, therefore, they hate them all.

Quantities. And also whether they are doing what their religion tells them to do, or doing the opposite.
Edit: Sorry, just saw how confusing this was.
Not quantities as in the number of muslims, but the number of people who "made bad choices".
If muslims actually have a word in their frickin holy book for holy war, then the 'violent' alarm should start ringing

[The North Papal States]

You're going to have to explain to me how I evaded the point. Again, "the Columbine shootings were blamed on bullying and video games." Unless there's someone out there named bullying and/or video games, nobody blamed the people responsible. They blamed bullying/video games.

So I provided a real world example of people targeting other things after a disaster. Completely and totally relevant to the point.

Here's another.

Japanese Americans. Blamed for Pearl Harbor. Which is interesting, considering they emigrated to the U.S, thereby logically showing they didn't exactly want to be in Japan.

Yeah. They got jammed in internment camps. Don't complain.

@The crowd of people who hate Islam: Yeah. Crusades. Christianity has done just as awful things. Probably more, in fact, just not as recently. If you think that excuses us, you're twats.

And before the atheists go off about how they're awesome, China has forced monks to break their chastity vows on nuns before killing them. So you suck just as bad.

Blaming a concept for a tragedy (bullying) or an object (video games) is nothing like blaming a tangible group. There hasn't been a backlash against bullying or bullies from the populace. And there hasn't been a serious effort by a vast majority to ban video games. Compare that to how many "OMG Ebil Mozlemz" talk and sometimes actions crop up every time an incident is suggested to be related to Islamic extremism.

The Internment happened and it was a grave injustice. And it targeted a tangible group, unlike this supposed outrage on bullying and video games, which makes it a better example. Still, there are people who would love to push for a Muslim Internment or worse if possible so the underlying attitudes are just as strong if the legal drives aren't.

The video game industry is a pretty tangible group. And yeah, they've been taking flak for it. Parents who think video games might make their kids homicidal, yet otherwise might have bought games, are causing a loss of sales. Fortunately not a large percentage of the population believes in that bull...but then a lot less people died in Columbine than in the WTC attack.

The simple fact that the FBI theory that the killers were afflicted by psychopathology and depression is not known to like, anyone, yet the whole "it was the fault of games" opinion is, shows just how much crap the gaming industry has had to deal with.

And yeah there's been a backlash against bullies too. (Which is probably a good thing, actually.) Those anti-bullying programs they force us to listen to in school? Yeah. Those didn't used to be there.

Finally, yeah, I'm sure there are people who would push for Muslim internment. But if Catholics blew up the WTC, we'd be dealing with the same sh*t. So I return to my original argument of "but we didn't so we aren't."

Basically, I feel bad for Muslims. But there's nothing I can really do, and it's just going to have to take a while to blow over, until we find a new scapegoat we can scream at. To claim that the Muslims are being unfairly targeted and that if anyone else had blown up the WTC they wouldn't be, is absurd. We always have a scapegoat. When someone of the same group of people blows up a giant building and then brings attention to the fact they're from that group? That's the fast track to becoming the new one.

So my recommendation is to wait for another major terrorist attack and hope it isn't done by Muslims. Because then everyone will hate that group instead.

[North Calaveras]

No, if Atheists, Catholics or chipmunks blew up the WTC, everyone would assume that it was a bunch of lone nutters with no connection to Atheists, Catholics or chipmunks as a whole, unlike the Islamic Gravemind.

Bull. Any kind of terrible event like that is blamed on something. The Columbine shootings were blamed on bullying and video games.

Let's not confuse Gauthier with facts, now, shall we?

That's soooooo cute of you.

And the point was zipped past like the control tower in Top Gun. Never said nobody would be blamed. They would still blame the people responsible. The point is that if it were anyone but Islamic extremists, the blame would be isolated to those directly responsible without the spillover of "The religion did it," or "everyone with the same beliefs are just like that" that's practically guaranteed if there's even an implied Islamic link to it. In other words, they'd be dismissed as lone nuts "who do not respresent Christianity/Judaism/Atheism/Squirrels as a whole." Look at the Fort Hood shooting as an example. Not a comment about the nature of the perpetrator when it started, and the moment Nidal Hassan was named, all the Islamic Terrorism spook talk started to gush.

i dont think refuting your religion is athiesms fault lol, we don't have a holy boook that says " if you find a religous person kill them" lol
It's called Ebil Mozlem Theorem. It's not a global conspiracy if Muslims didn't do it.

You're going to have to explain to me how I evaded the point. Again, "the Columbine shootings were blamed on bullying and video games." Unless there's someone out there named bullying and/or video games, nobody blamed the people responsible. They blamed bullying/video games.

So I provided a real world example of people targeting other things after a disaster. Completely and totally relevant to the point.

Here's another.

Japanese Americans. Blamed for Pearl Harbor. Which is interesting, considering they emigrated to the U.S, thereby logically showing they didn't exactly want to be in Japan.

Yeah. They got jammed in internment camps. Don't complain.

@The crowd of people who hate Islam: Yeah. Crusades. Christianity has done just as awful things. Probably more, in fact, just not as recently. If you think that excuses us, you're twats.

And before the atheists go off about how they're awesome, China has forced monks to break their chastity vows on nuns before killing them. So you suck just as bad.

[Assassinistan]

I don't dislike Muslims. I dislike people who try to force their religion onto others, which some Muslims do. But so do some Christians, Jews, and people of other faiths. Just keep it to yourself and we're cool, dude.

There's a difference between forcing your belief (or non-belief in the case of atheist assholes) on people and blowing up everything in a 50-foot radius around you.

[North Calaveras]

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Next stupid question.

so true

[Urgolon]

'Hate' is a word that I very rarely use to describe my feelings for anything. I mock and ridicule Islam(not Muslims) as I mock and ridicule all religions because... they're religions.

Don't you mock and ridicule all things, because they are things?