Why Do They Hate Islam?

[Chazicaria]

Because Islam is the most violent Religion that exists today, and before people start going all "Well what about those damn Christian crusaders! And those damn inquisition supporters!" Guess what, the crusades were done to take back the Christian and Jewish holy land from the Muslims, as for the inquisition... corruption. Islam pretty much teaches violence in their holy book. Yes, the Bible has the Old Testament, which is pretty violent ,but that was pretty much just put in for comparison, Jesus only taught peace.

And warned unbelievers about hell (believe in me or else...)...

Not unbelievers, he warned bad people about hell (criminals, murderers etc...)

[F1-Insanity]

Because Islam is the most violent Religion that exists today, and before people start going all "Well what about those damn Christian crusaders! And those damn inquisition supporters!" Guess what, the crusades were done to take back the Christian and Jewish holy land from the Muslims, as for the inquisition... corruption. Islam pretty much teaches violence in their holy book. Yes, the Bible has the Old Testament, which is pretty violent ,but that was pretty much just put in for comparison, Jesus only taught peace.

And warned unbelievers about hell (believe in me or else...)...

Not unbelievers, he warned bad people about hell (criminals, murderers etc...)

So, Jesus said unbelievers would enter 'heaven'? I think not.

[Satirius]

...and then regardless of religion(or lack thereof), people start killing people over it, even the "peaceful" ones like Christianity, which tells you to turn the other cheek, not take preemptive action and make a symbol of God out of the Holy Land(2nd Commandment motherfuckers) int their attempts at conquest. It's all deprity derp derp with the human race when the supernatural gets involved.

[Chazicaria]

Because Islam is the most violent Religion that exists today, and before people start going all "Well what about those damn Christian crusaders! And those damn inquisition supporters!" Guess what, the crusades were done to take back the Christian and Jewish holy land from the Muslims, as for the inquisition... corruption. Islam pretty much teaches violence in their holy book. Yes, the Bible has the Old Testament, which is pretty violent ,but that was pretty much just put in for comparison, Jesus only taught peace.

And warned unbelievers about hell (believe in me or else...)...

Not unbelievers, he warned bad people about hell (criminals, murderers etc...)

So, Jesus said unbelievers would enter 'heaven'? I think not.

Anyone can go to hell, anyone can go to heaven, that's pretty much what Jesus said.

[Sailsia]

Because Islam is the most violent Religion that exists today, and before people start going all "Well what about those damn Christian crusaders! And those damn inquisition supporters!" Guess what, the crusades were done to take back the Christian and Jewish holy land from the Muslims, as for the inquisition... corruption. Islam pretty much teaches violence in their holy book. Yes, the Bible has the Old Testament, which is pretty violent ,but that was pretty much just put in for comparison, Jesus only taught peace.

And warned unbelievers about hell (believe in me or else...)...

Not unbelievers, he warned bad people about hell (criminals, murderers etc...)

So, Jesus said unbelievers would enter 'heaven'? I think not.

Anyone can go to hell, anyone can go to heaven, that's pretty much what Jesus said.

Okay, why is bible violence okay again? and who says Islam teaches violence? Radicals of any religion can indoctrinate young people into thinking their religion is for violence. And why is the crusade any different (or justifiable) because you yourself are Christian?

[Chazicaria]

Because Islam is the most violent Religion that exists today, and before people start going all "Well what about those damn Christian crusaders! And those damn inquisition supporters!" Guess what, the crusades were done to take back the Christian and Jewish holy land from the Muslims, as for the inquisition... corruption. Islam pretty much teaches violence in their holy book. Yes, the Bible has the Old Testament, which is pretty violent ,but that was pretty much just put in for comparison, Jesus only taught peace.

And warned unbelievers about hell (believe in me or else...)...

Not unbelievers, he warned bad people about hell (criminals, murderers etc...)

So, Jesus said unbelievers would enter 'heaven'? I think not.

Anyone can go to hell, anyone can go to heaven, that's pretty much what Jesus said.

Okay, why is bible violence okay again? and who says Islam teaches violence? Radicals of any religion can indoctrinate young people into thinking their religion is for violence. And why is the crusade any different (or justifiable) because you yourself are Christian?

The only violence that was in the bible is in the Old Testament, Islam's Quran teaches that all "infidels" must die and for your final question, the crusades were fought to take back a holy place from Muslims!

[Stille Incorporated]

While I respect Islam's progressive stance on women's rights, especially on the Arabian peninsula. I have reservations.

[Urgolon]

I would like to know, where are there such a vast number of people who hate (or strongly dislike) people of Islam. I am a Lutheran Christian, but I have no problem with Muslims, my aunt married an immigrant from Iraq in '98. and hes a Muslim, and hes a perfectly nice guy. I mean, sure, Islam is very different then what the West is used to, but then again, at one point paper was too...

To re-state the question:
why do so many people dislike/hate Muslims?

The same reasons why all of the atheists on this site hate christians.

[Tergnitz]

While I respect Islam's progressive stance on women's rights, especially on the Arabian peninsula. I have reservations.

^^ This, along with the enlightened Islamic view of justice and punishment.

[Gauthier]

While I respect Islam's progressive stance on women's rights, especially on the Arabian peninsula. I have reservations.

^^ This, along with the enlightened Islamic view of justice and punishment.

Yep, and those damn dirty Muslims in the United States are oppressing women right under our Christian nose. Almost forgot every single Muslim in the world is a Saudi Wahhabist too.

[Minotzia]

No one responded to a single point I brought up, so I'll say it again:
I can't stand Islam or Muslims because they have messed up geopolitics for everyone else. In the past it was fine to have a clear conflict between Christians and Muslims because it polarized the world along clear lines. In the pre-Modern era it was okay too, because Islamic nations were subordinate to European powers. But after WWII especially, Muslims started to resent colonial control and took back the Middle East and Africa. Even that would be fine, but today Islam is no longer a polarizing entity, but instead requires that we add a large dollop of political correctness when discussing the spread of Islam into Europe and beyond. Personally I am opposed to the religious aspect of Islam because I'm Catholic, but politically I find it to be particularly annoying because policy towards Islamic nations is always* skewed in one of two ways. On the one hand you've got the radical right point of view that is treating them as the source of all evil, and on the other you've got moderate to radical lefties saying that Islam is just like Christianity and we need to treat Islamic nations equally. Both points of view are wrong, but I find myself much more aligned to the right's position because Islam is not like Christianity, and because treating it as such is dangerous and irresponsible.

The major political component of Islamic nations is the sharia law systems that they are regulated by, which are derived from the Five Pillars, and can range from relatively liberal to extremely conservative. But even in the most liberal of sharia law systems, there's still the fact that it is a religious law. Separation of Church and State is simply not the case for any Islamic nation, because of history and Islam's teachings. Historically Islamic nations grew with a large demand for territorial expansion and militarization. This required strong law systems to prevent troublesome rebellions in unstable provinces like India, or even back home in Anatolia and the Middle East. Sharia provided the religious justification for strong law systems and so the "Islamic bloc," survived until WWI with the defeat of the Ottoman Empire. Sharia is one of the Five Pillars of the Islamic faith, and though most Muslims would provide a liberal interpretation of this and other controversial aspects of Islam, the fact is that their leaders don't. Iran, Azerbaijan, pretty much all of the -stan countries, and many of the SE Asian nations all take interpretation of sharia through conservative light in order to justify harsh laws or to build support among radicals who in turn control populations through fear and intimidation.

Problems arise in geopolitics when dealing with Islamic nations because the policy from the West towards them is typified by tolerance and political correctness, as well as a tendency to not treat their governments as actual governments. We need to take a hard-line approach to Islam on the whole because if we continue to make concessions towards the religion then we cannot hope to successfully operate on a neo-conservative agenda, and at the moment that's the only way to fix a lot of the problems in the world.

So in response to the question, I do hate Islam, because our political leaders can't see past the controversy in dealing with it, and as a result Islam is screwing us over.

* - I don't mean to present a false dichotomy here, but rather a REAL one. There are just the two points of view in actual policy, and though politicians may claim to have other views, these two are the only ones reflected in political action.

[Phenia]

No one responded to a single point I brought up, so I'll say it again:
I can't stand Islam or Muslims because they have messed up geopolitics for everyone else.

Yeah, I'm sure that's the real source of your hate.

In the past it was fine to have a clear conflict between Christians and Muslims because it polarized the world along clear lines. In the pre-Modern era it was okay too, because Islamic nations were subordinate to European powers. But after WWII especially, Muslims started to resent colonial control and took back the Middle East and Africa. Even that would be fine, but today Islam is no longer a polarizing entity, but instead requires that we add a large dollop of political correctness when discussing the spread of Islam into Europe and beyond. Personally I am opposed to the religious aspect of Islam because I'm Catholic, but politically I find it to be particularly annoying because policy towards Islamic nations is always* skewed in one of two ways. On the one hand you've got the radical right point of view that is treating them as the source of all evil, and on the other you've got moderate to radical lefties saying that Islam is just like Christianity and we need to treat Islamic nations equally. Both points of view are wrong, but I find myself much more aligned to the right's position because Islam is not like Christianity, and because treating it as such is dangerous and irresponsible.

You're aligned to the right's position because you hate Muslims and Islam. You can quit pretending to be some sort of moderate voice of reason now.

[Bergnovinaia]

I would like to know, where are there such a vast number of people who hate (or strongly dislike) people of Islam. I am a Lutheran Christian, but I have no problem with Muslims, my aunt married an immigrant from Iraq in '98. and hes a Muslim, and hes a perfectly nice guy. I mean, sure, Islam is very different then what the West is used to, but then again, at one point paper was too...

To re-state the question:
why do so many people dislike/hate Muslims?

Because 99.99999999% of them of ignorant, racist, uneducated, morons... Simple as that.

[Tergnitz]

While I respect Islam's progressive stance on women's rights, especially on the Arabian peninsula. I have reservations.

^^ This, along with the enlightened Islamic view of justice and punishment.

Yep, and those damn dirty Muslims in the United States are oppressing women right under our Christian nose. Almost forgot every single Muslim in the world is a Saudi Wahhabist too.

Islam isn't the problem, religion is.

However, saying that, if I was forced to live in a Western Christian society or an Islamic one, I know what my decision would be.

[Phenia]

I would like to know, where are there such a vast number of people who hate (or strongly dislike) people of Islam. I am a Lutheran Christian, but I have no problem with Muslims, my aunt married an immigrant from Iraq in '98. and hes a Muslim, and hes a perfectly nice guy. I mean, sure, Islam is very different then what the West is used to, but then again, at one point paper was too...

To re-state the question:
why do so many people dislike/hate Muslims?

The same reasons why all of the atheists on this site hate christians.

I'd like to hear what the reason is that you know I hate Christians despite the fact I know I don't!

[The Rich Port]

I would like to know, where are there such a vast number of people who hate (or strongly dislike) people of Islam. I am a Lutheran Christian, but I have no problem with Muslims, my aunt married an immigrant from Iraq in '98. and hes a Muslim, and hes a perfectly nice guy. I mean, sure, Islam is very different then what the West is used to, but then again, at one point paper was too...

To re-state the question:
why do so many people dislike/hate Muslims?

I don't. It is the radicals I have a problem with. I spit on them the same way I spit at the people who send their kids to Jesus Camp to learn all about how homosexuals are going to hell, liberals are evil, and immigrants are ruining the country.

[The North Papal States]

I don't hate Islam. But I mean, this question has an obvious freaking answer.

Islamic terrorists blew up the WTC. If atheists had done it, or Catholics, or chipmunks, everyone would hate them instead. But they didn't so we don't.

[Bergnovinaia]

I would like to know, where are there such a vast number of people who hate (or strongly dislike) people of Islam. I am a Lutheran Christian, but I have no problem with Muslims, my aunt married an immigrant from Iraq in '98. and hes a Muslim, and hes a perfectly nice guy. I mean, sure, Islam is very different then what the West is used to, but then again, at one point paper was too...

To re-state the question:
why do so many people dislike/hate Muslims?

I don't. It is the radicals I have a problem with. I spit on them the same way I spit at the people who send their kids to Jesus Camp to learn all about how homosexuals are going to hell, liberals are evil, and immigrants are ruining the country.

Agreed... I only have problems with people who fly planes into buildings, bomb subways, attempt to blow up planes over cities, are suicide bombers, are members of Al-Qaeda, etc.

[Chumblywumbly]

I dont hate muslims. In fact i dont hate any religion. I have friends who are Christian, Jewish, Athiest, Muslim, Wiccan, Pagan, Hindu, and Buddhist. The Religion is not what is corrupt it is the individual interpreter who is too human to understand.

That's your opinion, fine.

However, a certain few of the ones you mention have holy books which promote and glorify the killing of unbelievers and gloat in the prospect of the unbelievers eternal torture in a place called 'hell'.

That is not corrupt, then?

Only if one takes the view that all religions are solely literalist in the understanding of their holy texts.

Something which is clearly not the case.

[The Rich Port]

I would like to know, where are there such a vast number of people who hate (or strongly dislike) people of Islam. I am a Lutheran Christian, but I have no problem with Muslims, my aunt married an immigrant from Iraq in '98. and hes a Muslim, and hes a perfectly nice guy. I mean, sure, Islam is very different then what the West is used to, but then again, at one point paper was too...

To re-state the question:
why do so many people dislike/hate Muslims?

I don't. It is the radicals I have a problem with. I spit on them the same way I spit at the people who send their kids to Jesus Camp to learn all about how homosexuals are going to hell, liberals are evil, and immigrants are ruining the country.

Agreed... I only have problems with people who fly planes into buildings, bomb subways, attempt to blow up planes over cities, are suicide bombers, are members of Al-Qaeda, etc.

Don't forget the ones that teach how to hate.

[Gauthier]

I don't hate Islam. But I mean, this question has an obvious freaking answer.

Islamic terrorists blew up the WTC. If atheists had done it, or Catholics, or chipmunks, everyone would hate them instead. But they didn't so we don't.

No, if Atheists, Catholics or chipmunks blew up the WTC, everyone would assume that it was a bunch of lone nutters with no connection to Atheists, Catholics or chipmunks as a whole, unlike the Islamic Gravemind.

[Minotzia]

No one responded to a single point I brought up, so I'll say it again:
I can't stand Islam or Muslims because they have messed up geopolitics for everyone else.

Yeah, I'm sure that's the real source of your hate.

Excellent argumentation. And yes, actually it is.

In the past it was fine to have a clear conflict between Christians and Muslims because it polarized the world along clear lines. In the pre-Modern era it was okay too, because Islamic nations were subordinate to European powers. But after WWII especially, Muslims started to resent colonial control and took back the Middle East and Africa. Even that would be fine, but today Islam is no longer a polarizing entity, but instead requires that we add a large dollop of political correctness when discussing the spread of Islam into Europe and beyond. Personally I am opposed to the religious aspect of Islam because I'm Catholic, but politically I find it to be particularly annoying because policy towards Islamic nations is always* skewed in one of two ways. On the one hand you've got the radical right point of view that is treating them as the source of all evil, and on the other you've got moderate to radical lefties saying that Islam is just like Christianity and we need to treat Islamic nations equally. Both points of view are wrong, but I find myself much more aligned to the right's position because Islam is not like Christianity, and because treating it as such is dangerous and irresponsible.

You're aligned to the right's position because you hate Muslims and Islam. You can quit pretending to be some sort of moderate voice of reason now.

I had valid points, you respond by attacking my person? That's known as a logical fallacy-ad hominem.

[Chumblywumbly]

The major political component of Islamic nations is the sharia law systems that they are regulated by, which are derived from the Five Pillars, and can range from relatively liberal to extremely conservative. But even in the most liberal of sharia law systems, there's still the fact that it is a religious law. Separation of Church and State is simply not the case for any Islamic nation, because of history and Islam's teachings...

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So in response to the question, I do hate Islam, because our political leaders can't see past the controversy in dealing with it, and as a result Islam is screwing us over.

Unless every Muslim holds to a strict conservative version of Sharia, or every Muslim views Middle Eastern state leaders as the ultimate religious authorities, your argument seems to be against Islamic states, not the religion of Islam itself.

[Tmutarakhan]

Minotzia: the "Five Pillars" have nothing to do with "Sharia". They are the basics of the faith: the creed (no God but God, and Muhammad His prophet), the prayers (5 times daily), the charity (10% for the poor), the fasting (sunup to sundown in the month of Ramadan), and the pilgrimage (to Mecca at least once in a life if you can).

[Phenia]

No one responded to a single point I brought up, so I'll say it again:
I can't stand Islam or Muslims because they have messed up geopolitics for everyone else.

Yeah, I'm sure that's the real source of your hate.

Excellent argumentation. And yes, actually it is.

You're not arguing, you're just trying to rationalize your admitted emotional bias against Muslims. What's to argue? In the end you'll still have that bias.

You're aligned to the right's position because you hate Muslims and Islam. You can quit pretending to be some sort of moderate voice of reason now.

I had valid points, you respond by attacking my person? That's known as a logical fallacy-ad hominem.

I am only repeating what you yourself admitted in your last post. You can't stand Muslims, or Islam. How am I attacking your person?