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Do you hate/dislike Muslims or Islam

Yes
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28%
No
141
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I Am Muslim
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The Alma Mater
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Postby The Alma Mater » Sat Mar 20, 2010 12:43 am

Geilinor wrote:
Sadly, there is some seriousness in there.
While I do not want Iran to have nukes, they also have a point when they point out it is a bit odd that all those non-NPT signees in the neighbourhood were given them.


Iran isn't trusted by much of the world.


Yeah - but where nuclear weapons are concerned Iran is fully entitled to not trust the rest of the world. And it shouldn't - those nukes in its neighbouring countries did not magically appear out of thin air with no help whatsoever from say.. the USA and France.
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Postby Gauthier » Sat Mar 20, 2010 12:53 am

The Alma Mater wrote:
Geilinor wrote:
Sadly, there is some seriousness in there.
While I do not want Iran to have nukes, they also have a point when they point out it is a bit odd that all those non-NPT signees in the neighbourhood were given them.


Iran isn't trusted by much of the world.


Yeah - but where nuclear weapons are concerned Iran is fully entitled to not trust the rest of the world. And it shouldn't - those nukes in its neighbouring countries did not magically appear out of thin air with no help whatsoever from say.. the USA and France.


Well, ideally Iran would be the Japan of the Middle East. And there's two cities that sound close enough too... Hashtpar and Nagadeh.
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Postby Nazi Centauri » Sat Mar 20, 2010 1:23 am

People hate muslim because they associate islam with terrorism and this really gives a bad impression on the muslims especially the arabs.Furthermore,Pro-Israeli supporters hate islam because they think Palestinians are muslims.I don't really hate the muslims as i am living in a muslim country although i myself is an Anglican.We live in peace here.
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Postby Bondi Norns » Sat Mar 20, 2010 8:41 am

It promotes wife-beating and other sexisam. Not only that, their holy book is basicly a guide to gross ways to murder people who don't belive it.

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Postby Ifreann » Sat Mar 20, 2010 8:42 am

Bondi Norns wrote:It promotes wife-beating and other sexisam. Not only that, their holy book is basicly a guide to gross ways to murder people who don't belive it.

Haven't read much of the Bible, have you?

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Postby Venetoland » Sat Mar 20, 2010 8:58 am

Nazi Centauri wrote:People hate muslim because they associate islam with terrorism and this really gives a bad impression on the muslims especially the arabs.


^This :clap:

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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sat Mar 20, 2010 9:02 am

Ifreann wrote:
Bondi Norns wrote:It promotes wife-beating and other sexisam. Not only that, their holy book is basicly a guide to gross ways to murder people who don't belive it.

Haven't read much of the Bible, have you?

I don't think this poster has ever truly read the Qu'ran either.
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Postby Gauthier » Sat Mar 20, 2010 9:18 am

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Ifreann wrote:
Bondi Norns wrote:It promotes wife-beating and other sexisam. Not only that, their holy book is basicly a guide to gross ways to murder people who don't belive it.

Haven't read much of the Bible, have you?

I don't think this poster has ever truly read the Qu'ran either.


Why read it when you can listen to people call it a Handbook of Evil? Much easier to join the bandwagon when you don't bother to go through specifics.
Crimes committed by Muslims will be a pan-Islamic plot and proof of Islam's inherent evil. On the other hand crimes committed by non-Muslims will merely be the acts of loners who do not represent their belief system at all.
The probability of one's participation in homosexual acts is directly proportional to one's public disdain and disgust for homosexuals.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Sat Mar 20, 2010 9:22 am

Gauthier wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Ifreann wrote:
Bondi Norns wrote:It promotes wife-beating and other sexisam. Not only that, their holy book is basicly a guide to gross ways to murder people who don't belive it.

Haven't read much of the Bible, have you?

I don't think this poster has ever truly read the Qu'ran either.


Why read it when you can listen to people call it a Handbook of Evil? Much easier to join the bandwagon when you don't bother to go through specifics.

Your theorems, Gauthy, your theorems. So appropriate. *nod*

Perhaps I'm too idealistic but I wish people would read or had an idea of the Qu'ran before jumping into the 'ebil M0zlim!!1!' bandwagon.
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Postby Nodinia » Sun Mar 21, 2010 12:40 pm

Bondi Norns wrote:It promotes wife-beating and other sexisam. Not only that, their holy book is basicly a guide to gross ways to murder people who don't belive it.


Them Irish bastards sicken me too.

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The shee of Albia
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Postby The shee of Albia » Sun Mar 21, 2010 1:04 pm

I think this website points out everything that needs to be said. Don't click link if the fact that islam is more or less simply a excuse to kill people offends you. http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate/index.html

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Postby Meroivinge » Sun Mar 21, 2010 1:39 pm

Brandenburg-Altmark wrote:
Angleter wrote:
WokaStates wrote:I don't like islam because many Muslims are extremisms.


But there are Christian extremists, Jewish extremists, Buddhist extremists, Hindu extremists, Sikh extremists...


Buddhist extremists? Enlighten me(lols) on this one, as i've never heard of it before. From what I recall Buddhism is so focused on promoting peace and so unconcerned with the beliefs of non-buddhists that it seems impossible for extremist groups to form.


While certainly not on the scale of some other religions, there have been violent Buddhist extremist groups.

Japan is a largely Buddhist country that outlawed Christianity in the 17th Century and periodically carried out violent purges of hidden Christians over the next two centuries. The Tokugowa shoganate required that all Japanese belong to a Buddhist temple. This was more politically motivated than religiously motivated, but one could argue that about several Holy wars (the parallel to Reconquista seems obvious.)

There's a history of Buddhist warrior monks such as the Shaolin and Sohei.

In Sri Lanka there are Buddhist groups who advocate violence against Christians and ethnic Tamils.

Aum Shinrikyo is a wacky meld of religions, borrowing from Buddhism, Hinduism and Christianity, and they're responsible for the Sarin gas poisoning in Japan.

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Postby Tokos » Sun Mar 21, 2010 1:39 pm

The shee of Albia wrote:I think this website points out everything that needs to be said. Don't click link if the fact that islam is more or less simply a excuse to kill people offends you. http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate/index.html


I don't like Islam much, and I detest the "Bible says it too!!!!!1111!!" canard, but it's a bit more nuanced than that.
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Postby F1-Insanity » Sun Mar 21, 2010 1:42 pm

Risottia wrote:
Sailsia wrote:why do so many people dislike/hate Muslims?


Meh, as for me it's exactly the same thing with Christianity and Christians. (Or any other religion and the followers thereof).
The ideas of "Christianity" and "Islam" never damaged me - as they aren't physical beings.

On the other hand, many Christians and many Muslims are RL bigoted trolls. Quite obnoxious if you ask me.
If that's "hating Islam" or "hating Christianity", well, too bad for them.


I'm gonna go along with this.

Dear Sailsia, I don't like the hatred that is intrinsic in religion (in this case islam) and I don't like it when a man of dubious morals (Muhammad) gets 'elevated' to the status of some sort of saint/prophet/whatever and then to get told that to draw a cartoon of him engaging in said actions of dubious morals is somehow 'not allowed'. Religious folks seriously need to start respecting that others are not bound by their rules.
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Postby The Imperial Navy » Sun Mar 21, 2010 1:47 pm

Many reasons... a lot involve oil. :)

('tis a joke, hold the flaming.)

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Raaj
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Postby Raaj » Tue Mar 30, 2010 1:11 pm

The Imperial Navy wrote:Many reasons... a lot involve oil. :)

('tis a joke, hold the flaming.)

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Postby Hayteria » Tue Mar 30, 2010 1:21 pm

Sailsia wrote:I would like to know, where are there such a vast number of people who hate (or strongly dislike) people of Islam. I am a Lutheran Christian, but I have no problem with Muslims, my aunt married an immigrant from Iraq in '98. and hes a Muslim, and hes a perfectly nice guy. I mean, sure, Islam is very different then what the West is used to, but then again, at one point paper was too...

To re-state the question:
why do so many people dislike/hate Muslims?

There's a little bit of a difference between disliking ISLAM and disliking MUSLIMS. Islam is a culture, and Muslims are the people participating in that culture. It's like how one can find belief in souls nonsensical, while still acknowledging that there are some otherwise intelligent people who believe in souls.

But in either case, reasons for such anti-Islamic sentiment vary from person to person, but I'd think it has a bit to do with how generally parts of the world where Islam is the dominant religion tend not to be doing so well in terms of human rights or peace itself. (The Middle East comes to mind.) Then there is criticism of Islam itself, such as to point out various violent, repressive, or otherwise barbaric verses from Islam's holy book, the Qur'an. I'm not going to list them myself, there's plenty of youtube videos out there about this subject...

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Postby Of the Quendi » Tue Mar 30, 2010 1:28 pm

Bondi Norns wrote:It promotes wife-beating and other sexisam. Not only that, their holy book is basicly a guide to gross ways to murder people who don't belive it.


You obviously haven't read the whole book if any of it. And christianity has adhered to both wife beating and sexism
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Postby Astralsideria » Tue Mar 30, 2010 1:28 pm

I don't dislike any faith (except the wacky ones that require human sacrifices, if there still are any). The only members of any faith I dislike are those who take their faith to the extent of killing others in its name, and I'm sure I'm not alone in that.
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Postby The ivain isles » Tue Mar 30, 2010 1:30 pm

Its the Sharia I have a problem with because of the way it treats people.

For me all have a right to liberty as long as it doesn't hurt anyone
I probably hate everything you stand for. (and on)

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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Tue Mar 30, 2010 1:37 pm

The ivain isles wrote:Its the Sharia I have a problem with because of the way it treats people.

For me all have a right to liberty as long as it doesn't hurt anyone

The Sharia indeed seem to be the more recalcitrant of the bunch. I personally like the views of the Sufis.
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Postby La Repubblica Fascista » Tue Mar 30, 2010 1:43 pm

I dont hate muslims. In fact i dont hate any religion. I have friends who are Christian, Jewish, Athiest, Muslim, Wiccan, Pagan, Hindu, and Buddhist. The Religion is not what is corrupt it is the individual interpreter who is too human to understand.
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Postby F1-Insanity » Tue Mar 30, 2010 1:45 pm

La Repubblica Fascista wrote:I dont hate muslims. In fact i dont hate any religion. I have friends who are Christian, Jewish, Athiest, Muslim, Wiccan, Pagan, Hindu, and Buddhist. The Religion is not what is corrupt it is the individual interpreter who is too human to understand.


That's your opinion, fine.

However, a certain few of the ones you mention have holy books which promote and glorify the killing of unbelievers and gloat in the prospect of the unbelievers eternal torture in a place called 'hell'.

That is not corrupt, then?

Astralsideria wrote:I don't dislike any faith (except the wacky ones that require human sacrifices, if there still are any). The only members of any faith I dislike are those who take their faith to the extent of killing others in its name, and I'm sure I'm not alone in that.


What if the religion in question actually commands said killing?
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Think about the numbers in terms that we can relate to. Remove eight zeros from the numbers and pretend it is the household budget for the fictitious Jones family:
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-Amount of money the Jones family spent: $38,200
-Amount of new debt added to the credit card: $16,500
-Outstanding balance on the credit card: $142,710

-Amount cut from the budget: $385
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Postby Chazicaria » Tue Mar 30, 2010 1:52 pm

Because Islam is the most violent Religion that exists today, and before people start going all "Well what about those damn Christian crusaders! And those damn inquisition supporters!" Guess what, the crusades were done to take back the Christian and Jewish holy land from the Muslims, as for the inquisition... corruption. Islam pretty much teaches violence in their holy book. Yes, the Bible has the Old Testament, which is pretty violent ,but that was pretty much just put in for comparison, Jesus only taught peace.

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Postby F1-Insanity » Tue Mar 30, 2010 2:15 pm

Chazicaria wrote:Because Islam is the most violent Religion that exists today, and before people start going all "Well what about those damn Christian crusaders! And those damn inquisition supporters!" Guess what, the crusades were done to take back the Christian and Jewish holy land from the Muslims, as for the inquisition... corruption. Islam pretty much teaches violence in their holy book. Yes, the Bible has the Old Testament, which is pretty violent ,but that was pretty much just put in for comparison, Jesus only taught peace.


And warned unbelievers about hell (believe in me or else...)...
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Why yes, I am a progressive and social human being, thanks for asking!
Think about the numbers in terms that we can relate to. Remove eight zeros from the numbers and pretend it is the household budget for the fictitious Jones family:
-Total annual income for the Jones family: $21,700
-Amount of money the Jones family spent: $38,200
-Amount of new debt added to the credit card: $16,500
-Outstanding balance on the credit card: $142,710

-Amount cut from the budget: $385
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Bush's 'faith' was the same political tool as Obama's 'hope'.

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