Political Journeys: What Were You?

[Isyrannaea]

Basic bitch liberal -> Social democrat -> centrist -> minarchist -> right-libertarian -> anarcho-capitalist -> right-libertarian -> alt-righter -> some sort of blackpilled volkisch tribalist.

[Major-Tom]

Basic bitch liberal -> Social democrat -> centrist -> minarchist -> right-libertarian -> anarcho-capitalist -> right-libertarian -> alt-righter -> some sort of blackpilled volkisch tribalist.

This progression happens so often. From soc dem to center right to libertarian to alt rigjt.

Good thing I came back to the progressive camp

[Isyrannaea]

Basic bitch liberal -> Social democrat -> centrist -> minarchist -> right-libertarian -> anarcho-capitalist -> right-libertarian -> alt-righter -> some sort of blackpilled volkisch tribalist.

This progression happens so often. From soc dem to center right to libertarian to alt rigjt.

Good thing I came back to the progressive camp

I don't consider myself as an altrighter.

[Major-Tom]

This progression happens so often. From soc dem to center right to libertarian to alt rigjt.

Good thing I came back to the progressive camp

I don't consider myself as an altrighter.

You did tho. Followed that same progression from centre left to center right to libertarian to arguably right/far right yes?

[Isyrannaea]

I don't consider myself as an altrighter.

You did tho. Followed that same progression from centre left to center right to libertarian to arguably right/far right yes?

Yeah.

[The Princes of the Universe]

I was a moderate through most of high school. Went socialist shortly before I left. Swung more civil libertarian through college. Went very authoritarian after I left and had to deal more directly with the stupidity of liberal policies (both Natlib and Socjus), and the recent rise of fascism pushed me toward quasi-absolute monarchism since all flavours of democracy have proven utterly inept at containing it.

What is your reasoning there though?

Fascism must be stopped. By any means necessary. We can't afford anything remotely resembling repeat of the 1930s and 1940s.

[Saikaya]

What is your reasoning there though?

Fascism must be stopped. By any means necessary. We can't afford anything remotely resembling repeat of the 1930s and 1940s.

Funny, I don't remember Victor Emmanuel III saying that.

[Kubra]

Fascism must be stopped. By any means necessary. We can't afford anything remotely resembling repeat of the 1930s and 1940s.

Funny, I don't remember Victor Emmanuel III saying that.

which may be part of why a referendum for his abdication passed

[The Princes of the Universe]

Fascism must be stopped. By any means necessary. We can't afford anything remotely resembling repeat of the 1930s and 1940s.

Funny, I don't remember Victor Emmanuel III saying that.

And look at where it got him.

[Ishraqistan]

right wing conservative -> social democrat -> democratic socialist -> FULLCOMMIE council communist -> FULLCOMMIE council communist but on Islamic principles and a touch of Sharia

wew

[The United Colonies of Earth]

right wing conservative -> social democrat -> democratic socialist -> FULLCOMMIE council communist -> FULLCOMMIE council communist but on Islamic principles and a touch of Sharia

wew

Collectivist all the way through at least. Like me.
But far, far more religious...

[Saikaya]

right wing conservative -> social democrat -> democratic socialist -> FULLCOMMIE council communist -> FULLCOMMIE council communist but on Islamic principles and a touch of Sharia

wew

>islamic communism

[UCE Watchdog of the Puppets]

right wing conservative -> social democrat -> democratic socialist -> FULLCOMMIE council communist -> FULLCOMMIE council communist but on Islamic principles and a touch of Sharia

wew

>islamic communism

Pretty sure you can put in "no money" and "to each according to what they deserve, from each according to what they have done" and not be a dirty heretic or takfir? Or am I wrong?

[Verwood Island Archipelago]

Good question- made me think!

Originating from an English working class family I started out left of centre which was basically my family's political stance.

I had a hard time in secondary school and as part of this slightly dark process rebelled against my family traditions, studied business at technical collage and became obnoxiously pro-capitalism.

Since those days I've softened and now sit centre left on issues such as public healthcare, education and public transport but centre right on business and enterprise issues.

[UCE Watchdog of the Puppets]

Good question- made me think!

Originating from an English working class family I started out left of centre which was basically my family's political stance.

I had a hard time in secondary school and became and as part of this slightly dark process rebelled against my family traditions, studied business at technical collage and became obnoxiously pro-capitalism.

Since those days I've softened and now sit centre left on issues such as public healthcare, education and public transport but centre right on business and enterprise issues.

Funny, that's where my family sits and where I came back to eventually.

[Republic of the Cristo]

Anarcho-capitalism is the only true form of anarchism. Communism and other assorted types would constrain the individual to the will of the commune. You cannot own your own property; you cannot own your own destiny.

That's my biggest issue with them. I want individuality!

Side note, is there an official name for anarchy without any attached system; essentially, a lawless wasteland?

That is called simply anarchy.

[Verwood Island Archipelago]

Good question- made me think!

Originating from an English working class family I started out left of centre which was basically my family's political stance.

I had a hard time in secondary school and became and as part of this slightly dark process rebelled against my family traditions, studied business at technical collage and became obnoxiously pro-capitalism.

Since those days I've softened and now sit centre left on issues such as public healthcare, education and public transport but centre right on business and enterprise issues.

Funny, that's where my family sits and where I came back to eventually.

Where do they sit on environmental issues?

As part of my journey I've moved to the centre left (so becoming much more understanding and in favour of these issues) from the centre right where I less caring.

[Mattopilos II]

That's my biggest issue with them. I want individuality!

Side note, is there an official name for anarchy without any attached system; essentially, a lawless wasteland?

That is called simply anarchy.

IT sounds like the literal pejorative usage of "anarchy", even.

[Bakery Hill]

What is your reasoning there though?

Fascism must be stopped. By any means necessary. We can't afford anything remotely resembling repeat of the 1930s and 1940s.

Yes but how would a monarchy stop this? They haven't stopped fascism in the past?

[Imperializt Russia]

There have been more famines under capitalism than there have been under socialism. There is also absolutely no reason for any regime to want famine due to them being not only humanitarian, but also economic catastrophes to the state.

are you here to make excuses for communism?

They're making counter-arguments to "wow, socialism, how about those famines huh? :^) ", yes.

There have been more famines under capitalism than there have been under socialism. There is also absolutely no reason for any regime to want famine due to them being not only humanitarian, but also economic catastrophes to the state.

If I can count the amount of sustaining socialist nations on my fingers whereas there's hundreds of capitalist societies throughout the world, then I dont think that's a fair comparison

It is when a common narrative seems to be that socialist nations have more famines than capitalist nations.

There have been more famines under capitalism than there have been under socialism. There is also absolutely no reason for any regime to want famine due to them being not only humanitarian, but also economic catastrophes to the state.

I wouldn't call all of those places you're attributing to capitalism capitalist at those times, particularly 19th century China, which was pre-capitalist.

Moreover, most of the famines in the communist countries were caused primarily by economic mismanagement, while the other famines were caused primarily by ecological catastrophe.

Since said famine was a major catalyst for the Boxer Rebellion - an anti-colonial revolt - it could be argued it was "under capitalism".

China was forced to open up to the capitalist colonial powers following the Opium Wars some decades prior.

You have embraced Corbyn now and moving quickly into the light comrade.

Call me comrade again and I'll bite your head off, you feel?

mmm, which head, comrade?

[Zdakia]

In my early teenage years i made knee-jerk decisions on issues using basic outlines of the issues as either/or choices. Politically i was influenced by the shows on Adult Swim, and very anti-moral-crusader because that's always a cool position on the internet. I didn't inherit anything from family or friend groups because nobody ever spoke with me about that sort of thing.

In my later teenage years i had a strong push away from myself for the sake of being contrary, but leveled out after things got very strange and frightening (like being tricked multiple times into thinking the nwo would take hold next thursday) and so i decided to stop overthinking it and focus on personal development instead, because clearly i wasn't getting anywhere i was pleased to be.

Nowadays I try to look at the status quo and understand the reasoning behind law as it is without making rash judgments. I guess that could be centrism or conservatism.

@proctopeo - Inidividualist anarchism, illegalism (for "lawless wasteland", although i suppose criminals can't exist without a government to make their actions illegal, it's interesting to read about anyway), & egoism (Stirner is also very interesting to read). Look into those keywords and you'll find that line of thinking.

[The Grene Knyght]

I can't imagine you as a commie

I was a commie once.
That was a dark week.

Procto don't tease me like this

[Forsher]

Political change is for the weak.

Economic Left/Right: -2.25 (-3.25) (-2.50)
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.46 (-1.69) (-1.54)

Consistency of thought is but a an ego search away...

(This is not to say that there are no statements I have made that I would now disagree with, but that these statements are sufficiently few and superseded by a more coherent point of view. In some ways, though, that's actually a fairly radical shift but it's a bit meta insofar as it's a conception of how thought should form.)

Fascism must be stopped. By any means necessary. We can't afford anything remotely resembling repeat of the 1930s and 1940s.

Yes but how would a monarchy stop this? They haven't stopped fascism in the past?

There are three proper fascist states. Or, alternatively, there is just one and Franco and Hitler are fascist-like. That is, 2/3 of all fascist states developed out of political incoherency, but only in the German case do I think a monarchy would have helped. Prima facie, the legitimacy of the Weimar Republic was, um, non-existent and the main reason Hitler ended up as Chancellor was that the conservative critique of Weimar preferred other conservative critiques... another reason that historians often point at is Hitler's charisma as an alternative basis of national unity. The key idea is that both of these are sort of "modelled out" in the case of some kind of monarchy (as is Foellmer's idea of no official, hegemonic vision of the Volksgemeinschaft). However, there is a reason why Weimar was not a monarchy and it's an exercise that reduces to absurdity as a result. (And let us not get started with Franco, the general who won a civil war superficially about restoring the Spanish monarchy but then turned out to be an interesting parallel of Cromwell.)

Of course, elected heads of state are a contradiction in terms. And maybe you can understand the dynamism and charisma of fascism as a particular riff from that idea. If so, then monarchy in general isn't going to help fascists but need not be an insurmountable barrier (dynamic monarchies are, shall we say, unpopular).

[Soviet Socialist and Peoples Republics]

are you here to make excuses for communism?

They're making counter-arguments to "wow, socialism, how about those famines huh? :^) ", yes.

If I can count the amount of sustaining socialist nations on my fingers whereas there's hundreds of capitalist societies throughout the world, then I dont think that's a fair comparison

It is when a common narrative seems to be that socialist nations have more famines than capitalist nations.

I wouldn't call all of those places you're attributing to capitalism capitalist at those times, particularly 19th century China, which was pre-capitalist.

Moreover, most of the famines in the communist countries were caused primarily by economic mismanagement, while the other famines were caused primarily by ecological catastrophe.

Since said famine was a major catalyst for the Boxer Rebellion - an anti-colonial revolt - it could be argued it was "under capitalism".

China was forced to open up to the capitalist colonial powers following the Opium Wars some decades prior.

You do have a dangerous socialist attitude. No kidding. Thanks for the help.

[Proctopeo]

I was a commie once.
That was a dark week.

Procto don't tease me like this

What do you mean