Crowdfunded Alt-Right Pirates Of The Libyan Coast

[Alvecia]

Good thing about a greater population is there's more people to tax and more money to make. Immigration is good for the economy in the long run, done right.
Radicalisation is just something we have to deal with, ostracisation encourages it.

An illicit movement like these pirates is illicit. And in the end will likely do more harm than good, driving more people to become radicalised, and encouraging the growth of ISIS.

That's assuming the immigration is handled right, which it isn't. Also, the immigration improving economy might have worked out in America, but it will never work out in Europe.

I think it's working fine, and can work out in Europe just fine.

Don't have to be a carbon copy of America to make it work out alright.

[Torrocca]

European nations, however, have always been strictly monoethnic nation-states..

Does the name, Austria-Hungary, ring a bell? Yugoslavia? How about the Holy Roman Empire? Rome? Maybe even Spain and Portugal? The United Kingdom? Russia? Poland-Lithuania?

[Imperium Sidhicum]

That's assuming the immigration is handled right, which it isn't. Also, the immigration improving economy might have worked out in America, but it will never work out in Europe.

I think it's working fine, and can work out in Europe just fine.

Don't have to be a carbon copy of America to make it work out alright.

Well, if having terrorist attacks on a weekly basis, rampaging mobs of savages assaulting women in the streets and illegals waylaying trucks to hitch a ride to promised land is your idea of mass immigration working out fine, then it no doubt is.

The majority of these people have nothing of value to contribute to our society even if they wanted to (which a lot simply don't). They are simply too undereducated and underskilled to readily integrate in the high-tech high-skill economy of Europe. Educating them costs a fortune in a time when budget cuts are already necessary, as does supporting their livelihood while they study, and even then there's no guarantee that they will ever find a decent job, facing fierce competition from the natives. Given the generous welfare systems of Western nations, it's therefore more comfortable for many to just leech off the system to it's further detriment. Others become radicalized or turn to a life of crime.

Besides, where the majority of immigrants to the United States at least had European descent and Christianity in common, modern Europeans and the vagrant hordes from the South and the East don't have even that to share. They represent two fundamentally different and incompatible civilizations and worldviews, making an ethnic conflict between them not just likely, but a certainty. The majority of our "guests" come from those parts of the world where our concepts of tolerance, equality and the rule of law do not exist. In their world, might makes right - whoever can rally the most guns behind him and put down any who stand in his way is right by default, and has no moral or legal obligation to tolerate anyone or anything one doesn't deem worth tolerating. Failure to respond with might whenever it is challenged, however slightly, is seen not as lenience, but simply a sign of weakness to be exploited further.

[Alvecia]

I think it's working fine, and can work out in Europe just fine.

Don't have to be a carbon copy of America to make it work out alright.

Well, if having terrorist attacks on a weekly basis, rampaging mobs of savages assaulting women in the streets and illegals waylaying trucks to hitch a ride to promised land is your idea of mass immigration working out fine, then it no doubt is.

Have you been reading every news article three times over, because things aren't happening as much as you think they're happening.
There always going to be some troubles, statistically speaking. We just have to deal with it, and we are, rather nicely thank you.

[Torrocca]

I think it's working fine, and can work out in Europe just fine.

Don't have to be a carbon copy of America to make it work out alright.

Well, if having terrorist attacks on a weekly basis, rampaging mobs of savages assaulting women in the streets and illegals waylaying trucks to hitch a ride to promised land is your idea of mass immigration working out fine, then it no doubt is.

The majority of these people have nothing of value to contribute to our society even if they wanted to (which a lot simply don't). They are simply too undereducated and underskilled to readily integrate in the high-tech high-skill economy of Europe. Educating them costs a fortune in a time when budget cuts are already necessary, as does supporting their livelihood while they study, and even then there's no guarantee that they will ever find a decent job, facing fierce competition from the natives. Given the generous welfare systems of Western nations, it's therefore more comfortable for many to just leech off the system to it's further detriment. Others become radicalized or turn to a life of crime.

Besides, where the majority of immigrants to the United States at least had European descent and Christianity in common, modern Europeans and the vagrant hordes from the South and the East don't have even that to share. They represent two fundamentally different and incompatible civilizations and worldviews, making an ethnic conflict between them not just likely, but a certainty. The majority of our "guests" come from those parts of the world where our concepts of tolerance, equality and the rule of law do not exist. In their world, might makes right - whoever can rally the most guns behind him and put down any who stand in his way is right by default, and has no moral or legal obligation to tolerate anyone or anything one doesn't deem worth tolerating. Failure to respond with might whenever it is challenged, however slightly, is seen not as lenience, but simply a sign of weakness to be exploited further.

Your argument really has nothing to stand on if all you're doing is looking at other human beings and calling them "mobs of savages", "vagrant hordes", and "unvaluable".

[Nakena]

Well, if having terrorist attacks on a weekly basis, rampaging mobs of savages assaulting women in the streets and illegals waylaying trucks to hitch a ride to promised land is your idea of mass immigration working out fine, then it no doubt is.

The majority of these people have nothing of value to contribute to our society even if they wanted to (which a lot simply don't). They are simply too undereducated and underskilled to readily integrate in the high-tech high-skill economy of Europe. Educating them costs a fortune in a time when budget cuts are already necessary, as does supporting their livelihood while they study, and even then there's no guarantee that they will ever find a decent job, facing fierce competition from the natives. Given the generous welfare systems of Western nations, it's therefore more comfortable for many to just leech off the system to it's further detriment. Others become radicalized or turn to a life of crime.

Besides, where the majority of immigrants to the United States at least had European descent and Christianity in common, modern Europeans and the vagrant hordes from the South and the East don't have even that to share. They represent two fundamentally different and incompatible civilizations and worldviews, making an ethnic conflict between them not just likely, but a certainty. The majority of our "guests" come from those parts of the world where our concepts of tolerance, equality and the rule of law do not exist. In their world, might makes right - whoever can rally the most guns behind him and put down any who stand in his way is right by default, and has no moral or legal obligation to tolerate anyone or anything one doesn't deem worth tolerating. Failure to respond with might whenever it is challenged, however slightly, is seen not as lenience, but simply a sign of weakness to be exploited further.

Your argument really has nothing to stand on if all you're doing is looking at other human beings and calling them "mobs of savages", "vagrant hordes", and "unvaluable".

He's absolutely right and on spot however. As a matter of fact, a lot of the immigrants and refugees (not all) don't exactly plan on "integrating" and they do come from fundamentally broken societies and their mindset isnt helpful either. If they were to flee actual war and hazards, they might as well settle in Brazil or Uruguay. Which most don't. Part of the reason of that they come to Europe is because they do know that they can leech off stuff here and that they can roll there and insist on their entitlement.

Story from Uruguay:

https://news.vice.com/article/five-syri ... to-get-out

https://sputniknews.com/latam/201704201 ... ay-return/ (apparently this is still going on)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zClr89Qweo0

One could imagine that if they're fleeing actual War, Terror and persecution they would be happy to be in some place to be alive and in peace. I also read somewhere that the Uruguayan Govt. offered them a land parcel in the countryside to work at. Couldn find a good source on this however.

[Torrocca]

Your argument really has nothing to stand on if all you're doing is looking at other human beings and calling them "mobs of savages", "vagrant hordes", and "unvaluable".

He's absolutely right and on spot however.

That's where you're wrong, kiddo.

One could imagine that if they're fleeing actual War, Terror and persecution they would be happy to be in some place to be alive and in peace.

They are.

[Nakena]

That's where you're wrong, kiddo.

To the contrary. As matter of fact, big part of the reasons why things in Europe are not working out is that their societies and it's leaders are unwilling or unable to lay down the rules towards the muslim immigrants. Europe is perceived as weak, as prey. A place that can be blamed and entitlement demanded from.

[Imperium Sidhicum]

Well, if having terrorist attacks on a weekly basis, rampaging mobs of savages assaulting women in the streets and illegals waylaying trucks to hitch a ride to promised land is your idea of mass immigration working out fine, then it no doubt is.

The majority of these people have nothing of value to contribute to our society even if they wanted to (which a lot simply don't). They are simply too undereducated and underskilled to readily integrate in the high-tech high-skill economy of Europe. Educating them costs a fortune in a time when budget cuts are already necessary, as does supporting their livelihood while they study, and even then there's no guarantee that they will ever find a decent job, facing fierce competition from the natives. Given the generous welfare systems of Western nations, it's therefore more comfortable for many to just leech off the system to it's further detriment. Others become radicalized or turn to a life of crime.

Besides, where the majority of immigrants to the United States at least had European descent and Christianity in common, modern Europeans and the vagrant hordes from the South and the East don't have even that to share. They represent two fundamentally different and incompatible civilizations and worldviews, making an ethnic conflict between them not just likely, but a certainty. The majority of our "guests" come from those parts of the world where our concepts of tolerance, equality and the rule of law do not exist. In their world, might makes right - whoever can rally the most guns behind him and put down any who stand in his way is right by default, and has no moral or legal obligation to tolerate anyone or anything one doesn't deem worth tolerating. Failure to respond with might whenever it is challenged, however slightly, is seen not as lenience, but simply a sign of weakness to be exploited further.

Your argument really has nothing to stand on if all you're doing is looking at other human beings and calling them "mobs of savages", "vagrant hordes", and "unvaluable".

The fate of other human beings does not concern me when the well-being of my own people is at stake. Maybe in an ideal world us and them could be brothers living in peace and harmony, but that world is unfortunately not the one we live in. In this world of finite resources and fierce competition for them, anybody who is not your of your own folk is either a (temporary) ally or an enemy, and those migrants sure as hell ain't Europe's allies, so that doesn't leave a whole lot else to pick from.

Europe has, for a very long time now, been a safe and comfortable place with the highest living standards in the world. Even while I personally hail from the least-prosperous parts of Europe, even here the living standards and safety are far above most of the remaining world. I like my homeland and Europe as whole just the way it was until recently, and I sure as hell want it to stay that way - prosperous, powerful, safe and happy, for myself, my family and my compatriots and fellow Europeans, regardless of whose expense this prosperity and happiness must be purchased at. Recently, however, that safety and comfort has started to become an increasingly scarce commodity, and the culprits aren't far to be found.

Since their ever-increasing presence hasn't been making my beloved home continent any safer and more prosperous, but to the contrary, I think it's pretty obvious as to why I'm referring to them in most unflattering terms and long to see these unsavoury people removed from European soil by any means necessary.

[AiliailiA]

Well, if having terrorist attacks on a weekly basis, rampaging mobs of savages assaulting women in the streets and illegals waylaying trucks to hitch a ride to promised land is your idea of mass immigration working out fine, then it no doubt is.

The majority of these people have nothing of value to contribute to our society even if they wanted to (which a lot simply don't). They are simply too undereducated and underskilled to readily integrate in the high-tech high-skill economy of Europe. Educating them costs a fortune in a time when budget cuts are already necessary, as does supporting their livelihood while they study, and even then there's no guarantee that they will ever find a decent job, facing fierce competition from the natives. Given the generous welfare systems of Western nations, it's therefore more comfortable for many to just leech off the system to it's further detriment. Others become radicalized or turn to a life of crime.

Besides, where the majority of immigrants to the United States at least had European descent and Christianity in common, modern Europeans and the vagrant hordes from the South and the East don't have even that to share. They represent two fundamentally different and incompatible civilizations and worldviews, making an ethnic conflict between them not just likely, but a certainty. The majority of our "guests" come from those parts of the world where our concepts of tolerance, equality and the rule of law do not exist. In their world, might makes right - whoever can rally the most guns behind him and put down any who stand in his way is right by default, and has no moral or legal obligation to tolerate anyone or anything one doesn't deem worth tolerating. Failure to respond with might whenever it is challenged, however slightly, is seen not as lenience, but simply a sign of weakness to be exploited further.

Your argument really has nothing to stand on if all you're doing is looking at other human beings and calling them "mobs of savages", "vagrant hordes", and "unvaluable".

I agree with that, as far as it goes. But it's really not sufficient rebuttal of the many claims made in IS's post.

I really shouldn't do this, because you probably won't take it as constructive advice, but. I think in the long series of one-on-one replies going back to this, you left too many sketchy claims of IS unaddressed, and that set you up for the big rant which bundles them together and which you now (pardon me for being blunt) really look like you can't address. All Imperium Sidhicum has to do now is let you have the last word (and your last word be only the above) and to anyone who read the whole exchange objectively (a game of debating skills, if you will) that's a contest IS won on points.

My advice is (a) be more wary if that's a poster you're not familiar with, (b) don't get into a long back-and-forth hoping they'll quit before you do, do that only if you're in it to win, and (c) drop out sooner if you're losing on points.

You're a decent poster, you've got your own ideas, and I've yet to see you lie nor pretend not to know something you really do. But you're inexperienced in debate, and IS is pretty tough. That encounter was one you have to learn something from, and whether or not what you learn is any of the things I just said.

I shouldn't post this, advice from strangers is rarely well received. But here it is, maybe it will be taken by some other poster. If it really offends you drop me a TG and I'll edit it out!

[Gallia-]

It's not a fucking invasion mate, and the migrants and refugees aren't radicals and scum.

They're obviously scum because it's a bunch of poor brown people fleeing the shithole of their post-colonialist region for the potential promise of a life where they won't be killed by militants or their own government.

And we can't have that, can we?

How is Europe, a region which has never at any point been multiethnic or handled ethnic tensions, ever going to cope with such an issue? There have never been any kind of ethnic or racial tensions in all of Europe, and certainly not ones that occur in mountainous, some might say Balkanized, regions where various ethnic and religious groups have come to blows. And at no point has Europe ever attempted to handle those issues.

No, sir. Not one bit.

Europe's attempts to deal with ethnic and religious tensions is what gave us words like "genocide" and "holocaust".

Do old habits really die hard?

[Torrocca]

That's where you're wrong, kiddo.

To the contrary. As matter of fact, big part of the reasons why things in Europe are not working out is that their societies and it's leaders are unwilling or unable to lay down the rules towards the muslim immigrants. Europe is perceived as weak, as prey. A place that can be blamed and entitlement demanded from.

Again, Muslim immigrants aren't causing issues, and Europe's running perfectly fine.

I agree with that, as far as it goes. But it's really not sufficient rebuttal of the many claims made in IS's post.

I really shouldn't do this, because you probably won't take it as constructive advice, but. I think in the long series of one-on-one replies going back to this, you left too many sketchy claims of IS unaddressed, and that set you up for the big rant which bundles them together and which you now (pardon me for being blunt) really look like you can't address. All Imperium Sidhicum has to do now is let you have the last word (and your last word be only the above) and to anyone who read the whole exchange objectively (a game of debating skills, if you will) that's a contest IS won on points.

My advice is (a) be more wary if that's a poster you're not familiar with, (b) don't get into a long back-and-forth hoping they'll quit before you do, do that only if you're in it to win, and (c) drop out sooner if you're losing on points.

You're a decent poster, you've got your own ideas, and I've yet to see you lie nor pretend not to know something you really do. But you're inexperienced in debate, and IS is pretty tough. That encounter was one you have to learn something from, and whether or not what you learn is any of the things I just said.

I shouldn't post this, advice from strangers is rarely well received. But here it is, maybe it will be taken by some other poster. If it really offends you drop me a TG and I'll edit it out!

Thank you for the advice, friend, and as for the underlined, let me take this on now, as IS has made a strategic blunder.

The fate of other human beings does not concern me when the well-being of my own people is at stake. Maybe in an ideal world us and them could be brothers living in peace and harmony, but that world is unfortunately not the one we live in. In this world of finite resources and fierce competition for them, anybody who is not your of your own folk is either a (temporary) ally or an enemy, and those migrants sure as hell ain't Europe's allies, so that doesn't leave a whole lot else to pick from.

Europe has, for a very long time now, been a safe and comfortable place with the highest living standards in the world. Even while I personally hail from the least-prosperous parts of Europe, even here the living standards and safety are far above most of the remaining world. I like my homeland and Europe as whole just the way it was until recently, and I sure as hell want it to stay that way - prosperous, powerful, safe and happy, for myself, my family and my compatriots and fellow Europeans, regardless of whose expense this prosperity and happiness must be purchased at. Recently, however, that safety and comfort has started to become an increasingly scarce commodity, and the culprits aren't far to be found.

Since their ever-increasing presence hasn't been making my beloved home continent any safer and more prosperous, but to the contrary, I think it's pretty obvious as to why I'm referring to them in most unflattering terms and long to see these unsavoury people removed from European soil by any means necessary.

For your first point: the African and Middle Eastern migrants and refugees to Europe, as they are, are not a threat to Europe. Practically all of them (bar a few exceptions) are in Europe for quite a few reasons, and none of which are, "hey friends, I have a splendid idea. You see those white people up north? Let's go fucking kill and terrorize them so that they appease us." No. Refugees and migrants, as they are, are coming to Europe to flee from the inopportune situations of their lives in their homelands and to find opportunities, safeties, and new lives in a new home. Your argument hinges on, in its basic form, someone buying a new house to live in only to burn it down. Migrants and refugees aren't doing that.

For your second point, refer to my first, with this addendum: Every (or close to) recent incident of terror in Europe has been brought on by native-born peoples, not migrants and refugees. To go back to my first point, if they were, this would be like buying a new house, settling in, and burning it down while you're still inside it.

For your third point, these innocent people have not been causing the dangers in Europe that you perceive. Like any other people, they are the same: like Europeans, they have wants, loves, desires, and all manners of human qualities. They're not running to Europe to cause chaos like some two-dimensional movie villains, but they are going to Europe to acquire their various needs and wants that they can't from the countries they're leaving. Safety is a big one: refugees simply can't find safety in a war zone. My recommendation? Try to stop looking at the migrants and refugees coming to Europe as a "them" and Europeans as an "us" and try to step into their shoes, so to speak. Learn to understand them, especially as you are European. You'll gain true insight into their struggles and who they are, and maybe you'll stop seeing them as "they" and more as "us, too."

[Mefpan]

Europe's attempts to deal with ethnic and religious tensions is what gave us words like "genocide" and "holocaust".

Do old habits really die hard?

Oh lord.

"Holocaust" is the name of a very specific genocide, yes. But let's not go down the retarded road of pretending it was only ever Europeans who committed genocides. The various cultures outside of Europe were fully capable and many times completely willing to utterly annihilate their fellow man's tribe out of hate or a desire for material gain, and that long before these peoples even knew that humans could be white without being born with albinism.

In fact, I'm pretty sure we have words like "holocaust" and "genocide" because Europeans came to regard this course of action and the particular instance of it to be rather abhorrent and distasteful.

Again, Muslim immigrants aren't causing issues

Interestingly, certain recent crime statistics from Germany would suggest the opposite.

For your first point: the African and Middle Eastern migrants and refugees to Europe, as they are, are not a threat to Europe. Practically all of them (bar a few exceptions) are in Europe for quite a few reasons, and none of which are, "hey friends, I have a splendid idea. You see those white people up north? Let's go fucking kill and terrorize them so that they appease us." No. Refugees and migrants, as they are, are coming to Europe to flee from the inopportune situations of their lives in their homelands and to find opportunities, safeties, and new lives in a new home. Your argument hinges on, in its basic form, someone buying a new house to live in only to burn it down. Migrants and refugees aren't doing that.

Given how there seems to be this uncomfortable tendency of them to bring along the attitudes and behaviors that facilitated their origin point to turn into a shithole, I would beg to differ.

For your second point, refer to my first, with this addendum: Every (or close to) recent incident of terror in Europe has been brought on by native-born peoples, not migrants and refugees. To go back to my first point, if they were, this would be like buying a new house, settling in, and burning it down while you're still inside it.

Native-born to people who migrated here and still isolate themselves into their own little parallel societies to the point where the only reason they need a rudimentary grasp on our language is filing taxes. And quite a few of the recent attacks actually were people coming along with the refugees. Berlin, for example, comes to mind.

For your third point, these innocent people have not been causing the dangers in Europe that you perceive. Like any other people, they are the same: like Europeans, they have wants, loves, desires, and all manners of human qualities. They're not running to Europe to cause chaos like some two-dimensional movie villains, but they are going to Europe to acquire their various needs and wants that they can't from the countries they're leaving. Safety is a big one: refugees simply can't find safety in a war zone. My recommendation? Try to stop looking at the migrants and refugees coming to Europe as a "them" and Europeans as an "us" and try to step into their shoes, so to speak. Learn to understand them, especially as you are European. You'll gain true insight into their struggles and who they are, and maybe you'll stop seeing them as "they" and more as "us, too."

Yeah, no. It's a bit difficult to tolerate people who aren't keen on tolerating the way I live, really. Nothing should be above criticism, but god fucking forbid you draw a cartoon impression of a certain religious figure I'm not going to mention by name. Heaven help you if you don't give a damn about religion, and just run away if you happen to have unconventional sexual preferences.

[Nakena]

Again, Muslim immigrants aren't causing issues, and Europe's running perfectly fine.

Wrong. The Berlin and the Stockholm attackers were refugees. Respectively from Tunisia and Uzbekistan (ok the later is a rare one) The Cologne Guys were also refugees. Specifically as north african ones (Algeria, Morocco, Tunisia)

Eitherways, integration of muslim communities in europe is at least problematic to say. In France (where theres 15.000 potential ISIS sympathisants according to interior ministry) and Belgium this can already considered to be a failure with some very serious and grim implication for what is to come.

By allowing additional reckless immigration of millions of muslims, the stage is being set for ethnic tension, strife and worse things to be happen in the forseeable future.

I may add at this point that it will be the well-integrated muslims living in europe who might be comming under the wheels if shit hits the fan. That is, if liberals are going finally having their knee-jerk reaction IRL, which could be happening with more terrorist attcks.

For your first point: the African and Middle Eastern migrants and refugees to Europe, as they are, are not a threat to Europe. Practically all of them (bar a few exceptions) are in Europe for quite a few reasons, and none of which are, "hey friends, I have a splendid idea. You see those white people up north? Let's go fucking kill and terrorize them so that they appease us." No. Refugees and migrants, as they are, are coming to Europe to flee from the inopportune situations of their lives in their homelands and to find opportunities, safeties, and new lives in a new home. Your argument hinges on, in its basic form, someone buying a new house to live in only to burn it down. Migrants and refugees aren't doing that.

No a lot of them (specifically the single male refugee, not families so much obviously) need first off to pay several thousend USD for the passage, something the most downtrodden and the poorest cannot afford. This money they do usually get from their families upon which then they are send to Europe to either earn cash there and send later it back with western union and/OR to settle down there and bring later their families in. That is how it goes. Its an investment. One that doesnt always works out of course.

And yes they do know that they get gibmedats from europe, its part of the calcalation. Few did stay in Croatia or Slovenia. Why? because those countries dont have to offer the basic cash stipend as germany does. See also the case of Uruguay etc.

So yeah not really war refugees necessarily, though they may among be the crowd. Actually I happen to know the situation first hand a little, and there's some actual refugees. I give them that. Then theres some really shady types. You can tell them apart by their looks and even their freakin hairstyles. And yes some of those know exactly that they can get away with a lot of shit. (See cologne incident, which was done by north african "refugees")

[Torrocca]

Mef, Nak, can I get some sources, preferably unbiased, on your claims? Because I'm very skeptical about them, especially seeing as how in my own searches I could find nothing.

[Mefpan]

Mef, Nak, can I get some sources, preferably unbiased, on your claims? Because I'm very skeptical about them, especially seeing as how in my own searches I could find nothing.

I'm assuming you're explicitly interested in the claims regarding migrant crime, so here's the specific document released by the German police regarding migrant crime. It's a bit of a big read mostly because it goes into a bit of detail on how the data was collected and how to read it, but to my knowledge there's no translation available.

[Torrocca]

Mef, Nak, can I get some sources, preferably unbiased, on your claims? Because I'm very skeptical about them, especially seeing as how in my own searches I could find nothing.

I'm assuming you're explicitly interested in the claims regarding migrant crime, so here's the specific document released by the German police regarding migrant crime. It's a bit of a big read mostly because it goes into a bit of detail on how the data was collected and how to read it, but to my knowledge there's no translation available.

Actually, I was interested in every claim.

Now, the problem with your source here is my resounding inability to read German.

[Gravlen]

Again, Muslim immigrants aren't causing issues, and Europe's running perfectly fine.

Wrong. The Berlin and the Stockholm attackers were refugees. Respectively from Tunisia and Uzbekistan (ok the later is a rare one) The Cologne Guys were also refugees. Specifically as north african ones (Algeria, Morocco, Tunisia)

Anis Amri, the Berlin attacker, and Rakhmat Akilov, the swedish attacker, were not refugees. They had both sought asylum, but had been turned down and orders for them to be deported had been issued.

If by "the Cologne guys" you mean people involved in the New Years Eve incident, I don't know of any refugees among them, at least not the six convicted people.

[Aelex]

Does the name, Austria-Hungary, ring a bell?

Crumbled on itself precisely because of its multiculturalism but caused WW1 because of it before.

Yugoslavia?

Same as above but it ended up "just" with the different people ethnic cleansing each others.

How about the Holy Roman Empire?

It was culturally uniformous for most of its existence, even being called the Holy Germanic Roman Empire in its later days.

Rome?

TIL that ethnic cleansing and aggressively assimilating the local population is now multiculturalism.

Maybe even Spain and Portugal?

Lol no. Nation-States the both of them, and very much mono-ethnical since the end of the Reconquista.

The United Kingdom?

Assimilating different locals culture into a single melting pot one created from them =/= multiculturalism.

Russia?

Not even European and has been aggressively assimilating its minorities since forever.

Poland-Lithuania?

Ended up crumbling because of ethnic tensions between poles and lithuanians.

[Torrocca]

-snip-

That's not the point: IS claimed that European nations have always been of one ethnicity, and those nations and more prove otherwise.

[Mefpan]

I'm assuming you're explicitly interested in the claims regarding migrant crime, so here's the specific document released by the German police regarding migrant crime. It's a bit of a big read mostly because it goes into a bit of detail on how the data was collected and how to read it, but to my knowledge there's no translation available.

Actually, I was interested in every claim.

Now, the problem with your source here is my resounding inability to read German.

Most of my claims sort of tie into these statistics, so they're really kind of relevant.

Your inability to understand German is not my problem. I'm speaking from a German perspective, so of course an offical source from the German law enforcement agency is the source I'm going to hand out. And since the situation in Germany is primarily of interest to Germans, they don't really publish a non-German version. I'm not going to bother straw-feeding you forty-six pages of migrant crime statistics just for you to tell me that I'm reading them in a really unfavorable light at the end of that joyride.

[Torrocca]

Actually, I was interested in every claim.

Now, the problem with your source here is my resounding inability to read German.

Most of my claims sort of tie into these statistics, so they're really kind of relevant.

Your inability to understand German is not my problem. I'm speaking from a German perspective, so of course an offical source from the German law enforcement agency is the source I'm going to hand out. And since the situation in Germany is primarily of interest to Germans, they don't really publish a non-German version. I'm not going to bother straw-feeding you forty-six pages of migrant crime statistics just for you to tell me that I'm reading them in a really unfavorable light at the end of that joyride.

My inability to understand German actually is kind of your problem when your evidence directly contradicts that, actually. Really this is as bad as dismissing a fish for its inability to climb a tree.

[Mefpan]

Most of my claims sort of tie into these statistics, so they're really kind of relevant.

Your inability to understand German is not my problem. I'm speaking from a German perspective, so of course an offical source from the German law enforcement agency is the source I'm going to hand out. And since the situation in Germany is primarily of interest to Germans, they don't really publish a non-German version. I'm not going to bother straw-feeding you forty-six pages of migrant crime statistics just for you to tell me that I'm reading them in a really unfavorable light at the end of that joyride.

My inability to understand German actually is kind of your problem when your evidence directly contradicts that, actually. Really this is as bad as dismissing a fish for its inability to climb a tree.

When a tree needs to be climbed, then the fish deserves to be dismissed. Carrying it up the tree is a pointless effort, as it will not have gained anything and might just end up hating the perspective anyway.

[Torrocca]

My inability to understand German actually is kind of your problem when your evidence directly contradicts that, actually. Really this is as bad as dismissing a fish for its inability to climb a tree.

When a tree needs to be climbed, then the fish deserves to be dismissed. Carrying it up the tree is a pointless effort, as it will not have gained anything and might just end up hating the perspective anyway.

So... I should take the couple years it requires to learn German, then come back here to your post, open up your evidence, and then finally figure out if I should concede or debate further?

Yeah, fuck that.

[Nakena]

Mef, Nak, can I get some sources, preferably unbiased, on your claims? Because I'm very skeptical about them, especially seeing as how in my own searches I could find nothing.

It's pretty much common knowledge for the most part on my post. As for the Numbers of terrorist sympathisants in france, the numbers are from former french premier Valls and were reported by the independent.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 37696.html