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Postby Aelex » Mon Jun 05, 2017 11:03 am

Ifreann wrote:A boat full of refugees isn't a threat. They can be picked up, taken ashore, and processed. Pirates trying to interfere with rescue operations could be a threat. The sea is dangerous. Getting in the way of other boats, especially over-filled RIBs, is dangerous. I don't know if the Italian navy would think that enough to warrant warning shots.

Nyes, nyes.


I'm surprised you would find entertainment in the deaths of your political comrades and countrymen.

Well, given they are not my political comrades and most aren't compatriotes neither, I will say that yes, I will probably find that very entertaining.
Maybe I'm wrong, or the law has been changed, but I thought it was the law in France that people had a duty to try and help other people in danger, even if only by calling the relevant emergency services.

Yes indeed. The State, however, isn't a person and thus isn't bound by laws wrote for persons, however. I'm actually quite surprised you need me to tell you such a basic thing, honestly.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Mon Jun 05, 2017 11:03 am

Oudland wrote:
Kubra wrote: The point of contention is that they're fucking with NGO's that rescue vessels in distress, not the smugglers themselves.


Right... it seems the point of contention in this thread is quite fluid, depending on who disagrees with the morally outraged posters.

Internationalist Bastard wrote:Till they come back


By they, you mean someone who disagrees with you.

Oh, hai :)

No, I meant the immigrants. Who come back
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Postby Aelex » Mon Jun 05, 2017 11:05 am

Kubra wrote:no one wants to be the guy thrown out of the casino by Mr. Viet Minh

Better to be thrown out than just walk out with a sad puppy face when an half-naked man ask you to. ;^)
Tho, what's even better is to still have the reins even today. :^D
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Postby Oudland » Mon Jun 05, 2017 11:05 am

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
No, I meant the immigrants. Who come back


My mistake, then.
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Postby Aelex » Mon Jun 05, 2017 11:06 am

Internationalist Bastard wrote:Because it would seem after centuries of trying it didn't work

>More or less 70 years between most of the colonies being annexed and released
>""""""""""""""""""""""""centuries of trying it out"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Mon Jun 05, 2017 11:06 am

Oudland wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:
No, I meant the immigrants. Who come back


My mistake, then.

Yeah, welcome back. Are we going to discuss the problems with people paying criminals to kill people or no?
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Mon Jun 05, 2017 11:07 am

Aelex wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:Because it would seem after centuries of trying it didn't work

>More or less 70 years between most of the colonies being annexed and released
>""""""""""""""""""""""""centuries of trying it out"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""

My bad, poor education and all that. No need to destroy me with that dank green text
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Postby Oudland » Mon Jun 05, 2017 11:08 am

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Oudland wrote:
My mistake, then.

Yeah, welcome back. Are we going to discuss the problems with people paying criminals to kill people or no?


Maybe later tonight, friend. I'm just about to get ready for work.
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Jun 05, 2017 11:09 am

Aelex wrote:
Ifreann wrote:A boat full of refugees isn't a threat. They can be picked up, taken ashore, and processed. Pirates trying to interfere with rescue operations could be a threat. The sea is dangerous. Getting in the way of other boats, especially over-filled RIBs, is dangerous. I don't know if the Italian navy would think that enough to warrant warning shots.

Nyes, nyes.

I don't know whether you mean yes or nyet or something else entirely.


I'm surprised you would find entertainment in the deaths of your political comrades and countrymen.

Well, given they are not my political comrades and most aren't compatriotes neither, I will say that yes, I will probably find that very entertaining.

Per the Grauniad article this is a French alt-right group.
Maybe I'm wrong, or the law has been changed, but I thought it was the law in France that people had a duty to try and help other people in danger, even if only by calling the relevant emergency services.

Yes indeed. The State, however, isn't a person and thus isn't bound by laws wrote for persons, however. I'm actually quite surprised you need me to tell you such a basic thing, honestly.

I wasn't telling you, I was asking if that was the case. Does the state really not have the same or a similar duty to help people in need? How strange.

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Postby Saiwania » Mon Jun 05, 2017 11:09 am

Ifreann wrote:Personally I don't care. They need help, we can help. That's good enough for me.


It would be wasteful to help these people with absolutely no return on investment in exchange for Europe's generosity. So that is good enough for me for no help to get to them.
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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Jun 05, 2017 11:10 am

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Thermodolia wrote:You do know that that you'd be sending many of those men to their almost immediate deaths? Not all of those refugees are Muslims, many are Christians and many are secularists.

We accept the ones that are willing to integrate into society and do their best to not depend on the state (unless it is absolutely needed, disabilities etc) and kick out the rest of them. There's no point waiting resources that could be directed else where and creating a hassle accepting those that cant accept or embrace a new way of life. A nation has the right to defend its sovereign borders, undocumented migrants storming them from land and from sea in the hundreds of thousands is an invasion, thus, if the government cant protect its borders, subsequently not protecting its citizens, then I cannot be 100% outraged that the citizens have taken it upon themselves to protect their borders. We can't accept everyone because they have some sob story, it will be economically suicidal to do so - instead we can accept some and send the ones not willing to integrate (hardline Muslims etc) to yknow, Arab countries such as Morocco, Egypt, Tunisia, Algeria, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Oman etc, yknow, the countries that have literal empty 4 star apartment blocks and economic resources to do so?

First off the majority of those nations have taken in more than most of Europe combined. Second it's not a fucking invasion so stop fucking calling it that ya fucking got it?

Nobody excepts 100% of all refugees, there is an extensive vetting process. In the US you have to go though 6 different background checks and 2 medical examinations before you can be classified as refugee and allowed in.

Private citizens do not have the right to involve themselves in international affairs of the state, aka citizens can't go fucking up refuges for the heck of it. That's against the law in almost all nations.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Mon Jun 05, 2017 11:10 am

Oudland wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:Yeah, welcome back. Are we going to discuss the problems with people paying criminals to kill people or no?


Maybe later tonight, friend. I'm just about to get ready for work.

Fair enough, though I got work myself later, don't count me to be on
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Jun 05, 2017 11:11 am

Saiwania wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Personally I don't care. They need help, we can help. That's good enough for me.


It would be wasteful to help these people with absolutely no return on investment in exchange for Europe's generosity.

Good deeds are their own reward.
So that is good enough for me for no help to get to them.

That's your prerogative.

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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Jun 05, 2017 11:11 am

Saiwania wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Personally I don't care. They need help, we can help. That's good enough for me.


It would be wasteful to help these people with absolutely no return on investment in exchange for Europe's generosity. So that is good enough for me for no help to get to them.

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Postby Salus Maior » Mon Jun 05, 2017 11:12 am

Ah, yes "defend" Europe from poor, unarmed refugees. The real war here, folks.
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Postby Kubra » Mon Jun 05, 2017 11:12 am

Aelex wrote:
Kubra wrote:no one wants to be the guy thrown out of the casino by Mr. Viet Minh

Better to be thrown out than just walk out with a sad puppy face when an half-naked man ask you to. ;^)
Tho, what's even better is to still have the reins even today. :^D
I suppose that's what spaniards tell themselves after their embarassment by the americans.
Come now, if a colony isn't going to give any more returns on investment, better to walk out than to waste money fomenting social unrest at home. Who wants to have their constitution voided over something like Algeria?

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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Jun 05, 2017 11:13 am

Salus Maior wrote:Ah, yes "defend" Europe from poor, unarmed refugees. The real war here, folks.

Something something invasion!!!
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Postby Aelex » Mon Jun 05, 2017 11:14 am

Ifreann wrote:I don't know whether you mean yes or nyet or something else entirely.

Nyes, nyes.
Per the Grauniad article this is a French alt-right group.

Té, well color me surprised. I thought it was something the Italians organised.
I wasn't telling you, I was asking if that was the case. Does the state really not have the same or a similar duty to help people in need? How strange.

The State only has duties toward its citizen and its main duty is ensuring their well-being and continued prosperity. Sending back illegals migrants is doing exactly that. :^)
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Postby Napkiraly » Mon Jun 05, 2017 11:15 am

Aelex wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:Because the idea is that they will be able to become financially independent over time

But why should we invest all this money and effort for someone else's profit? The more you're talking, the more it appears that simply expelling the migrants is way better, simpler and cheaper.

Making their countries more secure allows our companies there to be more secure, Aelex. ;)

I'm fine with improving their security situations, as long Western countries get priority for extracting resources and other such investments. Can stop the flow of illegal immigrants and make money in the process.

So long as it remains profitable of course. If securing the country becomes too costly in men and material, then better to just contain things until the carnage ends.
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Postby Aelex » Mon Jun 05, 2017 11:16 am

Kubra wrote: I suppose that's what spaniards tell themselves after their embarassment by the americans.
Come now, if a colony isn't going to give any more returns on investment, better to walk out than to waste money fomenting social unrest at home. Who wants to have their constitution voided over something like Algeria?

Her majesty Elizabeth II, by the grace of god, has a realm including 143 million souls across every continent of the earth.

5th Republic = Best Republic. No mistake was done for De Gaulle did absolutely nothing wrong. :p
And keep telling yourself your L.A.R.Ping group is actually bringing you substantial material gains if it makes you feel better. ;^)
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Postby Aelex » Mon Jun 05, 2017 11:18 am

Napkiraly wrote:Making their countries more secure allows our companies there to be more secure, Aelex. ;)

I'm fine with improving their security situations, as long Western countries get priority for extracting resources and other such investments. Can stop the flow of illegal immigrants and make money in the process.

So long as it remains profitable of course. If securing the country becomes too costly in men and material, then better to just contain things until the carnage ends.

Oh, I agree totally with you. I have no problem with the neo-colonisation you advocate for, far from it I actually want the very same thing.
Gotta get those raws ressources the cheaper you can and sell your own good the higher you can, after all. :^D
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Postby Napkiraly » Mon Jun 05, 2017 11:20 am

Aelex wrote:
Napkiraly wrote:Making their countries more secure allows our companies there to be more secure, Aelex. ;)

I'm fine with improving their security situations, as long Western countries get priority for extracting resources and other such investments. Can stop the flow of illegal immigrants and make money in the process.

So long as it remains profitable of course. If securing the country becomes too costly in men and material, then better to just contain things until the carnage ends.

Oh, I agree totally with you. I have no problem with the neo-colonisation you advocate for, far from it I actually want the very same thing.
Gotta get those raws ressources the cheaper you can and sell your own good the higher you can, after all. :^D

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Postby Kubra » Mon Jun 05, 2017 11:22 am

Aelex wrote:
Kubra wrote: I suppose that's what spaniards tell themselves after their embarassment by the americans.
Come now, if a colony isn't going to give any more returns on investment, better to walk out than to waste money fomenting social unrest at home. Who wants to have their constitution voided over something like Algeria?

Her majesty Elizabeth II, by the grace of god, has a realm including 143 million souls across every continent of the earth.

5th Republic = Best Republic. No mistake was done for De Gaulle did absolutely nothing wrong. :p
And keep telling yourself your L.A.R.Ping group is actually bringing you substantial material gains if it makes you feel better. ;^)
Of course a frenchman can look at the changing of ones constitution as something as noteworthy as voiding ones bowels
The centuries of british rule over her majesties subjects attests to the timelessness of her mandate.
Insofar as her majesty and her realms have greater access to the markets of india than the french, I'd say it's going well

keep telling yourself your """""european"""""" """"""""""""""union""""""""""""""""""""""" is actually bringing you substantial material gains if it makes you feel better
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Postby Torsiedelle » Mon Jun 05, 2017 11:22 am

Gauthier wrote:
Torsiedelle wrote:I might actually be able to live out my dreams of being a pirate now.

Up to the point you're standing at the gallows and realize Johnny Depp isn't going to rescue you.


The fate of too many good pirates and images.

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Postby Neo Balka » Mon Jun 05, 2017 11:22 am

Now we need a alt right air force.

Will People start shitting themselves over that?
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in this day and age it's both.
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