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Postby Gauthier » Mon Jun 05, 2017 10:03 am

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Danceria wrote:Uncertain if bullshit...?

We got bored of finding Shia LeCuck and exiling him into Binland. I guess...we're employing Africans to kill Africans? We /newimperialism/ nao? I am thoroughly confused as to what is going on and for what purpose.

Employing Africans? I expect it'll be white, European, 20-something pirates on these boats, not Africans.

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Postby Ifreann » Mon Jun 05, 2017 10:03 am

Danceria wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Employing Africans? I expect it'll be white, European, 20-something pirates on these boats, not Africans.

What are "mercenaries"?

Why do you think this involves hiring African mercenaries? Or any mercenaries, for that matter?

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Postby Aguaria Major » Mon Jun 05, 2017 10:03 am

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Ifreann wrote:Employing Africans? I expect it'll be white, European, 20-something pirates on these boats, not Africans.

What are "mercenaries"?

I can't tell is that was a joke or sarcasm, but mercenaries are soldiers-for-hire. They swear allegiance to no nation, and fight for any cause as long as they get paid.
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Postby Gravlen » Mon Jun 05, 2017 10:04 am

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1. Yes, because you've given me no evidence proving any attackers were refugees or immigrants.
2. I want to see actual data.
3. Still no.

1. Fine then. Here's one example: http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/11 ... -refugees/
2. Well look it up your fucking self if you want to see it!
3. Still yes.

Your Breitbart link is misleading and untruthful. I know, it comes as a total surprise to us all...

The total number of terrorists taking part in the Paris 2015 terror attacks were 9. 5 from France, 2 from Belgium, and 2 from Iraq. That fact alone proves the Breitbart article false, as it claims 6 of the attackers came as "refugees".

It cites the lalibre.be article, but misquotes it. That article states they took advantage of the stream of migrants and refugees, not that they were refugees.
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It is true that the fingerprints of one of the attackers matched the prints of a man registered as arriving in Greece from Turkey, and the other man has been identified as travelling with him on that route. However, here we're getting to a finer - yet very important - point: While they both were registered as arrived in Greece via Turkey, they were not refugees. They did not have refugee status, and no coutries recognized them as a refugee.

So your example fails, and you still haven't shown any refugees comitting acts of terror. (Arguably not migrants either, as it can be said they weren't migrants since they were travelling for the single purpose of carrying out an attack, and not to live in a new country, find work there, or create significant social ties.)
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Postby Great Minarchistan » Mon Jun 05, 2017 10:04 am

Ifreann wrote:
Danceria wrote:What are "mercenaries"?

Why do you think this involves hiring African mercenaries? Or any mercenaries, for that matter?


Because they know that stuff.
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Postby Aguaria Major » Mon Jun 05, 2017 10:06 am

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Aguaria Major wrote:Ah, Ninja'd.

I don't know if, "funny", is the word I'd use. This just goes to show you how far these terrorists are wiling to go to get what they want. And by the way, why isn't anyone else calling them terrorists? Because the last time I checked, conducting an armed assault on legitimate international affairs just to prevent people from taking that course of action in the first place, for fear of being murdered by pirates, qualifies as terrorism.


Because according to the US government it's only terrorism if Muslims do it.

Or if their ideology is left-wing. Very sad, that.

And as an addition to the answer seen in the above post, because these people represent such the fringes of society that the only way they can get legitimate support is by hiring mercenaries. Who else would willingly support terrorists?
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Postby Saiwania » Mon Jun 05, 2017 10:10 am

Ifreann wrote:Refugees committing terrorist attacks doesn't make it acceptable to interfere with rescue operations at sea and endanger people's lives.


The "interference" is a crucial part of ensuring that these people don't make landfall in Europe. It is nobody's problem but their own if they don't have enough supplies to hack it on the open sea. It means they have to turn back and forget about trying to migrate to Europe.
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Postby Danceria » Mon Jun 05, 2017 10:11 am

Great Minarchistan wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Why do you think this involves hiring African mercenaries? Or any mercenaries, for that matter?


Because they know that stuff.

Because I assume they would be Privateers. As per the definition "an armed ship owned and officered by private individuals holding a government commission and authorized for use in war, especially in the capture of enemy merchant shipping." In this case, replace "government" with "Bootleg Hentai Autist Friend Simulator" and "war" with "refugee crisis", and "merchant shipping" with civilian craft. Again, I may be wrong in terms of definition/interpretation, but "paying unscrupulous dudes to do your dirty work on the down low" sounds an awful lot like privateering and what's happening right now.
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Postby Vassenor » Mon Jun 05, 2017 10:11 am

Saiwania wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Refugees committing terrorist attacks doesn't make it acceptable to interfere with rescue operations at sea and endanger people's lives.


The "interference" is a crucial part of ensuring that these people don't make landfall in Europe. It is nobody's problem but their own if they don't have enough supplies to hack it on the open sea. It means they have to turn back and forget about trying to migrate to Europe.


So you're fine having their blood on your hands if they die out there as a result of this "interference"?
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Postby Aelex » Mon Jun 05, 2017 10:13 am

Vassenor wrote:So you're fine having their blood on your hands if they die out there as a result of this "interference"?

When you are committing a crime, you have to accept that there are consequences to it. If you die while trying to smuggle yourself illegally in a country, well, too bad, you should have stayed at home.
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Postby Danceria » Mon Jun 05, 2017 10:14 am

Vassenor wrote:
Saiwania wrote:
The "interference" is a crucial part of ensuring that these people don't make landfall in Europe. It is nobody's problem but their own if they don't have enough supplies to hack it on the open sea. It means they have to turn back and forget about trying to migrate to Europe.


So you're fine having their blood on your hands if they die out there as a result of this "interference"?

I for one, welcome our new sea-borne version of Milites Sans Frontieres, and look forward to doing business with Seadog Snake/Water Snake.
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Postby Vassenor » Mon Jun 05, 2017 10:15 am

Aelex wrote:
Vassenor wrote:So you're fine having their blood on your hands if they die out there as a result of this "interference"?

When you are committing a crime, you have to accept that there are consequences to it. If you die while trying to smuggle yourself illegally in a country, well, too bad, you should have stayed at home.


So maybe we need to be dealing with the traffickers rather than trying to sink the boats.
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Postby Danceria » Mon Jun 05, 2017 10:16 am

Aelex wrote:
Vassenor wrote:So you're fine having their blood on your hands if they die out there as a result of this "interference"?

When you are committing a crime, you have to accept that there are consequences to it. If you die while trying to smuggle yourself illegally in a country, well, too bad, you should have stayed at home.

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Shame you're going to lose your internet privilege for saying that, old Frenchie.
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Postby Danceria » Mon Jun 05, 2017 10:17 am

Vassenor wrote:
Aelex wrote:When you are committing a crime, you have to accept that there are consequences to it. If you die while trying to smuggle yourself illegally in a country, well, too bad, you should have stayed at home.


So maybe we need to be dealing with the traffickers rather than trying to sink the boats.

That would require political action in various governments that do not want to stop trafficking refugees.

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Postby Aelex » Mon Jun 05, 2017 10:19 am

Senkaku wrote:Ideally the Italian navy or coast guard or someone will put a few shots across their bows and they'll fuck off without any problems.

Can't do that. If they could, they would have done it to all the human traffickers, be them the one that are honest about their job or the ones that call themselves "humanitarian movements", who are smuggling people over the Mediterranean Sea.
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Postby Saiwania » Mon Jun 05, 2017 10:20 am

Vassenor wrote:So you're fine having their blood on your hands if they die out there as a result of this "interference"?


No one made them attempt the voyage. They're voluntarily assuming the risks and it would be wrong to bail them out so as to shield them from any and all consequences for bad decisions. If these people are allowed into Europe, they will suck all of the European welfare systems dry. There will be a surplus of people whose skills are near worthless in terms of the labor market- people who aren't worth whatever the minimum wage is in terms of output and will only have a parasitic relationship to European states which are burdened with their presence.
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Postby Aelex » Mon Jun 05, 2017 10:21 am

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Shame you're going to lose your internet privilege for saying that, old Frenchie.

Naaah, no risk of that. Thank God our politicians are too inept to be able to actually regulate the internet, tho I have no doubt that Macron, all eager that he is to bow, bark and roll over for Madame Angela, will try nonetheless.
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Postby Aelex » Mon Jun 05, 2017 10:23 am

Vassenor wrote:So maybe we need to be dealing with the traffickers rather than trying to sink the boats.

Why should we? It's way easier to treat the symptoms than the cause, and the symptoms are the only thing that is bothering us.
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Postby Gravlen » Mon Jun 05, 2017 10:24 am

Donut section wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
You know, maybe it's something besides religion causing this, because if it was purely Islam causing this then why haven't the rest of the over one billion Muslims conducted terrorist attacks? Why do most radical Islamic terrorist attacks get conducted on other Muslims?



What other religious/cultural groups have committed multiple terrorist attacks in the past month?

You want to limit it to May 2017, and draw conclusions based on a single month? Well, that's all pointless shit exercise. But since you insist...

ELN, or Ejército de Liberación Nacional. Car bomb in Northern Columbia on May 1st, and a shooting in Cauca, Southwest Colombia the same day. Another shooting on May 8th in Cucuta, and a bombing on May 15th in Arauca. Man, those Columbian muslim fanatics...
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Mon Jun 05, 2017 10:24 am

Aelex wrote:
Vassenor wrote:So maybe we need to be dealing with the traffickers rather than trying to sink the boats.

Why should we? It's way easier to treat the symptoms than the cause, and the symptoms are the only thing that is bothering us.

Terrorists and smugglers aren't a problem?
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Postby Great Minarchistan » Mon Jun 05, 2017 10:24 am

Aelex wrote:
Vassenor wrote:So maybe we need to be dealing with the traffickers rather than trying to sink the boats.

Why should we? It's way easier to treat the symptoms than the cause, and the symptoms are the only thing that is bothering us.


In the long run, however, it's more effective to kill the root of the problems.

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Postby Danceria » Mon Jun 05, 2017 10:26 am

Saiwania wrote:
Vassenor wrote:So you're fine having their blood on your hands if they die out there as a result of this "interference"?


No one made them attempt the voyage. They're voluntarily assuming the risks and it would be wrong to bail them out so as to shield them from any and all consequences for bad decisions. If these people are allowed into Europe, they will suck all of the European welfare systems dry. There will be a surplus of people whose skills are near worthless in terms of the labor market- people who aren't worth whatever the minimum wage is in terms of output and will only have a parasitic relationship to European states which are burdened with their presence.

Anon, are you implying that Syrians are just refugees, and not future doctors, lawyers, taxi drivers, ect?
Aelex wrote:
Vassenor wrote:So maybe we need to be dealing with the traffickers rather than trying to sink the boats.

Why should we? It's way easier to treat the symptoms than the cause, and the symptoms are the only thing that is bothering us.

Plus it's easier, as I've said before, the govt/trafficker on our end doesn't want to stop. They decry anyone who does as "racist", or bigoted. And Antifa over there isn't nearly as inept as they are in the States.
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Shame you're going to lose your internet privilege for saying that, old Frenchie.

Naaah, no risk of that. Thank God our politicians are too inept to be able to actually regulate the internet, tho I have no doubt that Macron, all eager that he is to bow, bark and roll over for Madame Angela, will try nonetheless.

Never did I think that a Bonapartist would agree with something so...anti-egalitarian. Times are interesting.
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Postby Seangoli » Mon Jun 05, 2017 10:28 am

Gravlen wrote:
Donut section wrote:

What other religious/cultural groups have committed multiple terrorist attacks in the past month?

You want to limit it to May 2017, and draw conclusions based on a single month? Well, that's all pointless shit exercise. But since you insist...

ELN, or Ejército de Liberación Nacional. Car bomb in Northern Columbia on May 1st, and a shooting in Cauca, Southwest Colombia the same day. Another shooting on May 8th in Cucuta, and a bombing on May 15th in Arauca. Man, those Columbian muslim fanatics...


Im the US we have seen far more deadly attacks commited by avowed white nationalists in recent months than any other group, afaik. In fact, a Somali woman was hospitalized recently gor getting involved in an altercation where a white nationalist was attacking another Somali woman. We had the recemt evemt where a white nationalist killed two people who got involved when he was assaulting twouslim women. I mean, I could go on.
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Postby Aelex » Mon Jun 05, 2017 10:28 am

Great Minarchistan wrote:In the long run, however, it's more effective to kill the root of the problems.

inb4 "in the long run we're all dead" comment

If we're talking about our own countries, sure. No need to bother doing that for foreign ones, tho. The Middle East and North Africa can stay a shithole for all I care, honestly.
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Postby Vassenor » Mon Jun 05, 2017 10:29 am

Seangoli wrote:
Gravlen wrote:You want to limit it to May 2017, and draw conclusions based on a single month? Well, that's all pointless shit exercise. But since you insist...

ELN, or Ejército de Liberación Nacional. Car bomb in Northern Columbia on May 1st, and a shooting in Cauca, Southwest Colombia the same day. Another shooting on May 8th in Cucuta, and a bombing on May 15th in Arauca. Man, those Columbian muslim fanatics...


Im the US we have seen far more deadly attacks commited by avowed white nationalists in recent months than any other group, afaik.


We're not supposed to talk about those though.
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