Crowdfunded Alt-Right Pirates Of The Libyan Coast

[Lady Scylla]

Islamist fundamentalism and other issues rampaging in the islamic World isn't an genuine european problem but with the massive and unrestricted, uncontrolled influx of people from those region it is quickly becomming one.

Some do, of course, attempt to flee from it. But if you're running away and everyone (including your persecutors)follows you, you're in the same shit again.

Hey if the Christians can calm down (mostly) then the Muslims can too. Eventually.
Hopefully one day religion will die out altogether, quarantining it in the Middle East and letting it run rampant won't help the matter.

I'm of the opinion of vetting them, which they do as far as I'm aware. They come in, they get processed. No system is perfect, and people are fooling themselves if they think hiding like cowards behind a wall is going to do anything.

[Pasong Tirad]

We're always going to have our own problems to deal with. A society without problems is utopic.
Our problems aren't big enough that this is too much of a strain imo.

And generalisations like like are irrational. It's like throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

You've got a basket of apples. Some of them are poisoned, but you don't know which ones, and can't find out which one it is until you take a bite. Do you eat any of the apples?

You literally just replaced skittles with apples. Of course I'm going to fucking take in as many people as I can because that's what decent human being should be doing - damn the risks. It's nothing but pure evil to punish the majority for the faults of the few - one bad apple shouldn't ruin the whole bunch, as they say.

[Liriena]

inb4 muh white genocide

"inb4's" are considered spammy these days, just a heads up.

Awww, darnit.

[Liriena]

You've got a basket of apples. Some of them are poisoned, but you don't know which ones, and can't find out which one it is until you take a bite. Do you eat any of the apples?

You literally just replaced skittles with apples. Of course I'm going to fucking take in as many people as I can because that's what decent human being should be doing - damn the risks. It's nothing but pure evil to punish the majority for the faults of the few - one bad apple shouldn't ruin the whole bunch, as they say.

Not to mention the fact that the apples/skittles analogy is blatantly aimed at dehumanizing migrants and refugees.

[Mefpan]

You've got a basket of apples. Some of them are poisoned, but you don't know which ones, and can't find out which one it is until you take a bite. Do you eat any of the apples?

If we're speaking about human beings? Yes. Because it's childishly unreasonable to punish millions of people out of fear that a minority of them might do harm. By that same logic, my country should have never received a single Italian immigrant, given that some Italian immigrants went on to participate in anarchist violence.

Well, you're free to do that to your own country, but I'd much rather not have it happen. Bloody shame most western governments seem to disagree.

You've got a basket of apples. Some of them are poisoned, but you don't know which ones, and can't find out which one it is until you take a bite. Do you eat any of the apples?

Apples aren't fleeing a war-torn shithole fearing death by local militants, their own government, or both. Apples aren't facing persecution because they had the gall to want to protect themselves and their families. Apples are are fruit. We're not talking about Apples, or skittles, for that matter.

The fact that you can look at a humanitarian crisis like this and seriously think we should just turn our backs on these people because some of them might be terrorists is fucking disgusting.

Apples also don't perpetuate the shitty behaviors that further inflame the sectarianism or ethnic tensions that led them to flee their country in the first place. I consider that part to be fucking disgusting.

[Alvecia]

Hey if the Christians can calm down (mostly) then the Muslims can too. Eventually.
Hopefully one day religion will die out altogether, quarantining it in the Middle East and letting it run rampant won't help the matter.

I'm of the opinion of vetting them, which they do as far as I'm aware. They come in, they get processed. No system is perfect, and people are fooling themselves if they think hiding like cowards behind a wall is going to do anything.

I don't even think about vetting, cause it's just one of those things I assume is part of the process.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

You've got a basket of apples. Some of them are poisoned, but you don't know which ones, and can't find out which one it is until you take a bite. Do you eat any of the apples?

You literally just replaced skittles with apples. Of course I'm going to fucking take in as many people as I can because that's what decent human being should be doing - damn the risks. It's nothing but pure evil to punish the majority for the faults of the few - one bad apple shouldn't ruin the whole bunch, as they say.

I mean, the problem is not with criminals being criminals, it is when criminals are left to their own devices and there's no law enforcement agency to stop them dead in their tracks.

Terrorist attacks are flash events more than anything so you can't really stop one, but you can take measures to survey the population and try to get them before they do anything, which we already do in developed countries.

There's no reason why our problems with terrorism have to be tremendously overblown by hysteria.

[Lady Scylla]

I'm of the opinion of vetting them, which they do as far as I'm aware. They come in, they get processed. No system is perfect, and people are fooling themselves if they think hiding like cowards behind a wall is going to do anything.

I don't even think about vetting, cause it just one of those things I assume is part of the process.

I'm too lazy to look, but I imagine it is, or should be. I can't see any government just letting people in without knowing who or whence they came. I'm on the fence of building refugee centres and keeping them there though. Legally, it's hard to justify without good reason, and doesn't typically end well.

[New Grestin]

You literally just replaced skittles with apples. Of course I'm going to fucking take in as many people as I can because that's what decent human being should be doing - damn the risks. It's nothing but pure evil to punish the majority for the faults of the few - one bad apple shouldn't ruin the whole bunch, as they say.

Not to mention the fact that the apples/skittles analogy is blatantly aimed at dehumanizing migrants and refugees.

In general, basing your political views on the child of a man who spray-tans himself orange and thinks climate change is a hoax is not a good idea.

If your political views can be summed up in a twitter image macro, you're probably doing something wrong.

[Liriena]

If we're speaking about human beings? Yes. Because it's childishly unreasonable to punish millions of people out of fear that a minority of them might do harm. By that same logic, my country should have never received a single Italian immigrant, given that some Italian immigrants went on to participate in anarchist violence.

Well, you're free to do that to your own country, but I'd much rather not have it happen. Bloody shame most western governments seem to disagree.

Yeah, "bloody shame" that most Western governments don't pander to the hysterical wailings of ethno-nationalists and stand by the core principles of modern liberal democracy (opposition to ethnic and religious discrimination).

[Alvecia]

I don't even think about vetting, cause it just one of those things I assume is part of the process.

I'm too lazy to look, but I imagine it is, or should be. I can't see any government just letting people in without knowing who or whence they came. I'm on the fence of building refugee centres and keeping them there though. Legally, it's hard to justify without good reason, and doesn't typically end well.

Makes me think of that island that Australia sends people to. Not pretty.

[Liriena]

I'm too lazy to look, but I imagine it is, or should be. I can't see any government just letting people in without knowing who or whence they came. I'm on the fence of building refugee centres and keeping them there though. Legally, it's hard to justify without good reason, and doesn't typically end well.

Makes me think of that island that Australia sends people to. Not pretty.

That thing never ceases to horrify me. What the heck, Australia???

[Lady Scylla]

You literally just replaced skittles with apples. Of course I'm going to fucking take in as many people as I can because that's what decent human being should be doing - damn the risks. It's nothing but pure evil to punish the majority for the faults of the few - one bad apple shouldn't ruin the whole bunch, as they say.

Not to mention the fact that the apples/skittles analogy is blatantly aimed at dehumanizing migrants and refugees.

It's just a logical fallacy. It makes an argument that requires an assumption be true in order for the argument to be valid. It'd be like doing an argument about God. Assume God exists, make x claim, if confronted, revert back to the fact that God exists. It's not very crafty, nor very effective unless you want to actually use your head for once.

[Mefpan]

You've got a basket of apples. Some of them are poisoned, but you don't know which ones, and can't find out which one it is until you take a bite. Do you eat any of the apples?

You literally just replaced skittles with apples. Of course I'm going to fucking take in as many people as I can because that's what decent human being should be doing - damn the risks. It's nothing but pure evil to punish the majority for the faults of the few - one bad apple shouldn't ruin the whole bunch, as they say.

Skittles are disgusting, so I threw them out, just like the bathtub, the baby and the water within.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I don't even think about vetting, cause it just one of those things I assume is part of the process.

I'm too lazy to look, but I imagine it is, or should be. I can't see any government just letting people in without knowing who or whence they came. I'm on the fence of building refugee centres and keeping them there though. Legally, it's hard to justify without good reason, and doesn't typically end well.

Refugee centers can be managed right.

The problem is that a lot of people who work in there either develop racist views, or have racist views themselves towards these refugees, and so they tend to lash out at them and make their lives miserable.

People never take well to being mistreated, be them refugees or not.

[Soviet Socialist and Peoples Republics]

If we're speaking about human beings? Yes. Because it's childishly unreasonable to punish millions of people out of fear that a minority of them might do harm. By that same logic, my country should have never received a single Italian immigrant, given that some Italian immigrants went on to participate in anarchist violence.

Well, you're free to do that to your own country, but I'd much rather not have it happen. Bloody shame most western governments seem to disagree.

Some Western governments don't exactly have an excuse. What country do you live in anyway?

[Nakena]

Islamist fundamentalism and other issues rampaging in the islamic World isn't an genuine european problem but with the massive and unrestricted, uncontrolled influx of people from those region it is quickly becomming one.

Some do, of course, attempt to flee from it. But if you're running away and everyone (including your persecutors)follows you, you're in the same shit again.

Hey if the Christians can calm down (mostly) then the Muslims can too. Eventually.
Hopefully one day religion will die out altogether, quarantining it in the Middle East and letting it run rampant won't help the matter.

Maybe someday, but why should europeans have to deal with it? White Mans burden? (or guilt)

The problem will if at all, only fixed by muslims itself, after the whole idea of islamic fundamentalism (and the myriad of other issues) runs itself dead by whatever reasons and circumtances. Western intervention (Iraq-War) to "fix" made it for sure worse.

[Lady Scylla]

I'm too lazy to look, but I imagine it is, or should be. I can't see any government just letting people in without knowing who or whence they came. I'm on the fence of building refugee centres and keeping them there though. Legally, it's hard to justify without good reason, and doesn't typically end well.

Refugee centers can be managed right.

The problem is that a lot of people who work in there either develop racist views, or have racist views themselves towards these refugees, and so they tend to lash out at them and make their lives miserable.

People never take well to being mistreated, be them refugees or not.

Living conditions are my primary concern. They're usually not well off in that regard. Perform detainment during the processing, and ensure they're not treated like cattle while they're there.

[Genivaria]

You literally just replaced skittles with apples. Of course I'm going to fucking take in as many people as I can because that's what decent human being should be doing - damn the risks. It's nothing but pure evil to punish the majority for the faults of the few - one bad apple shouldn't ruin the whole bunch, as they say.

Skittles are disgusting, so I threw them out, just like the bathtub, the baby and the water within.

M&M's are delicious, especially when tossed in the freezer for 5 minutes.

[Alvecia]

You literally just replaced skittles with apples. Of course I'm going to fucking take in as many people as I can because that's what decent human being should be doing - damn the risks. It's nothing but pure evil to punish the majority for the faults of the few - one bad apple shouldn't ruin the whole bunch, as they say.

Skittles are disgusting, so I threw them out, just like the bathtub, the baby and the water within.

I'd give the Skittle to someone who wanted them to be honest.
I'm more of a chocolate person anyway. If they were Smarties I'd be all on board.

[Mefpan]

Well, you're free to do that to your own country, but I'd much rather not have it happen. Bloody shame most western governments seem to disagree.

Some Western governments don't exactly have an excuse. What country do you live in anyway?

Despite the best efforts of our local Green party, the country I live in is still known as Germany for the time being.

[Ifreann]

If we're speaking about human beings? Yes. Because it's childishly unreasonable to punish millions of people out of fear that a minority of them might do harm. By that same logic, my country should have never received a single Italian immigrant, given that some Italian immigrants went on to participate in anarchist violence.

Well, you're free to do that to your own country, but I'd much rather not have it happen. Bloody shame most western governments seem to disagree.

Apples aren't fleeing a war-torn shithole fearing death by local militants, their own government, or both. Apples aren't facing persecution because they had the gall to want to protect themselves and their families. Apples are are fruit. We're not talking about Apples, or skittles, for that matter.

The fact that you can look at a humanitarian crisis like this and seriously think we should just turn our backs on these people because some of them might be terrorists is fucking disgusting.

Apples also don't perpetuate the shitty behaviors that further inflame the sectarianism or ethnic tensions that led them to flee their country in the first place. I consider that part to be fucking disgusting.

Have you never heard that bad apples spoil the bunch? It's literally true. When an apple goes bad it releases chemicals that cause others to go bad as well.

One more way that they're different from people. Terrorist BO won't make everyone around them join in the terrorism.

[Pasong Tirad]

You literally just replaced skittles with apples. Of course I'm going to fucking take in as many people as I can because that's what decent human being should be doing - damn the risks. It's nothing but pure evil to punish the majority for the faults of the few - one bad apple shouldn't ruin the whole bunch, as they say.

Skittles are disgusting, so I threw them out, just like the bathtub, the baby and the water within.

That's cool. Still doesn't excuse not letting a lot of people in because of the possibility of a few "bad apples." Let's not bother with school because school has some bullies. Let's not bother hiring new workers because somebody's going to be a lazy bum.

[Liriena]

Some Western governments don't exactly have an excuse. What country do you live in anyway?

Despite the best efforts of our local Green party, the country I live in is still known as Germany for the time being.

Ah, the Merkelreich. :3

[Lady Scylla]

Well, you're free to do that to your own country, but I'd much rather not have it happen. Bloody shame most western governments seem to disagree.


Apples also don't perpetuate the shitty behaviors that further inflame the sectarianism or ethnic tensions that led them to flee their country in the first place. I consider that part to be fucking disgusting.

Have you never heard that bad apples spoil the bunch? It's literally true. When an apple goes bad it releases chemicals that cause others to go bad as well.

One more way that they're different from people. Terrorist BO won't make everyone around them join in the terrorism.

How else are we going to sell our fearmongering?